Re: a vehicle within
Wow Zerub great post above, I'd like to elaborate on it, but I've been absent from the posts for some time. I'd like to first back up to one of your earlier posts in this thread about your illusionary tripartite/concentric computer experiment and throw an idea around here!
You have mentioned this illusionary tripartite/concentric computer experiment many times over the course of our friendship, on the forum and through emails and I never really responded with any sort of supporting response. Up until now, the answer has finally hit me!
You've mentioned several times that the computer naturally reproduced it from four points rather than three because of its intended ability to reproduce x,y,z coordinates in four dimensional space. The fur is flying on this Cat...Here is your answer! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
THE UNIVERSE IS FLAT! NOT SPHERICAL AND IS LIKE A GIANT HOLOGRAM!
Let me begin by saying (and bare with me here) that the universe as we perceive it has three major components, not two as is normally understood. The usual concept is that energy and mass make up the universe. The third component...Information composed of space...is vitally important. Mass and energy have structure and interact because they contain information. Information binds and provides the instructions that ultimately holds the universe together. If we have learned anything from engineering, biology, and physics, information is just as crucial an ingredient as mass and energy.
Where there is no logical explanation for a hidden mystery I usually resort to the Bible. In fact after all these years this Cat can still hear the echoes of the religious sermon in my head...Gd creates by His Word...He sustains by His Word...Whatever terminology scientists may use, be assured that the Holy Scriptures relate a true description of reality to humankind...Believe the Scriptures! You may not understand what is meant now, but soon Gd will open the eyes of people in the world so they can know that Gd exists and that their Redeemer lives...Gds Word will not fail to fulfill His purpose as he intended!!!
Anyhow, with that being said, what I've learned from resorting to the Bible is the method that Gd used in creating the heavens and the earth which is detailed several times in an interesting way in the Scriptures. "Repeatedly" it is stated that Gds creation of the heavens (and some parts of the earth) were
rolled out like a scroll or a tent or a curtain , in other words like a
flat surface.
"Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, you art very great; you art clothed with honor and majesty. Who coverest yourself with light as with a garment:
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain:" Psalm 104:1-2
Besides Psalm 104:1-2, many other verses discuss the heavens being laid out:
Gd explained to Job that the earth and its foundations were precisely measured (Job 38:4-5). This is reiterated in Psalm 136:5-6. Not only the earth but the heavens have been measured and laid out, seemingly in a two dimensional structure:
"He stretches out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7
Isaiah mentions the flatness of the heavens several times in several different ways:
"Have you not known? have you not heard? has it not been told you from the beginning? have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent (before it is erected) to dwell in." Isaiah 40:21-22
"Thus saith Gd the Lord, he that created the heavens,
and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that gives breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein." Isaiah 42:5
These two verses below are from Revelations...future tense. One of the many events of that judgment is that the heavens will be
"rolled". This could not occur unless they had some aspect of
"flatness" to them, just as is described in the scriptures about the creation of the heavens:
And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and
the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falls off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. Isaiah 34:4
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Revelation 6:14
The list goes on: Isaiah 44:23-24 Isaiah 45:12 Isaiah 51:13 Jeremiah 10:11-12 Jeremiah 1:15 Zechariah 12:1...
This substantiates what the Bible has taught all along of the creations of the heavens. It doesn't take much understanding to see that these are not just poetic metaphors but rather describing a real situation that neither the writer or the audience fully understood. That is why the analogy is made to things that are known like
scrolls, flat tents (before they are erected) or curtains, describing precisely how Gd "laid out" the universe.
Where am I going with all this? Well, when I mention hologram, our universe, which we perceive to have three spatial dimensions, might instead be written on a two dimensional surface, like a hologram. Our everyday perceptions of the world as three dimensional would then be either a profound illusion or merely one of two alternative ways of viewing reality.
1stBorn and Ray talked somewhat about Holography and its method of using special forms of light in a manner that produces three dimensional images on a photographic plate or film. (I'm stating that the universe is like a hologram, not that it is a hologram.) The universe is composed of mass that has solidity, energy that has force, and a dimensional reality. Holograms are not real, they are illusions of three dimensionality.
My thoughts are that our universe is "painted" on a spherical surface and projected inward, retaining an appearance of infinity...
The much awaited clue/answer to your "illusionary matrix merger concentric sphere tripartite computer experiment", you say that its a product of three concentric systems producing a form that your limited mind cannot conceive, though it exists, you just cannot see or perceive it, but your sure its just around the corner"...
I think your right Zerub! The universe is like a hologram, just as a trick of light allows a fully three dimensional image to be recorded on a flat piece of film, our seemingly three dimensional universe could be completely equivalent to alternative quantum fields and physical laws "painted" on a distant, vast surface...
The Animated Holographer #1
http://www.holoworld.com/holo/demo1.html
In conclusion, I'd say Science is certainly catching up with scripture! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
