Theory The Dual Language Diagnosis of John Titor

[RainmanTime]

I second the proposal.

I get the feeling you are both being sarcastic in your proposal. Besides, I think OvrLrd has started with some pertinent questions, even if they are subject to either aversion or dishonest answers by TTA.

If TTA has read any of my posts dealing with Titor (or the fools who believed Titor was real), then he would understand that I am not going to play The Titor Game. Any questions I were to ask him would have little, or nothing, to do with The John Titor Experiment. I believe it was poster "jmpet" who characterized The John Titor Experiment in the most realistic light: Titor was a McGuffin, in the sense of the late, great director Alfred Hitchcock.

My questions would fall into the category of probing the mind behind the McGuffin. There are ways to do this where the factual answers to questions would be less material than the implicit motivation laid bare by how the question was answered. I think Cipher, and probably Darby, know what I am talking about here.

RMT

 

[zerubbabel]

Hey Rainman,

It doesn't matter to me whether Javier was Xavier, Titor or any other character on this forum or others. Don't forget, he was BANNED. There was a reason for that banning lest we forget. This person was out of control with his delusions of grandeur and was becoming combative with everyone. He was racist, perverted, and full of himself and constantly belittling others as a true inferiority/superiority complexed person wears as a trademark. His vitriolic rantings were sickening to me and others and thus he was banned after several warnings. It is not a coincidence that he made an attempt to placate Cat, because he knows that Cat can open up his can of worms.

I don't believe you will have to wait long to see his colors--black with lots of gray areas.

 

[TimeNot_0]

I don't know whether to laugh at all of this, or hold my head down and sob while beating the table here. Whether or not, someone makes someone else respond, it is a reactive process. Remember Titor, if people react to what happens in reality, not what is posted, then we have a process whereas Titor might become true. Remember the postings. Right now I am going through that process, suffering with something I did not think would happen. I do have to change my ways, and spending time on Titor's future is something I just do not have time any more for.

However, I hope Javier is doing allright, and whether he posts or not, whether he is combative or not, I knew who was the TTA on this board using different names even. Someone else posted something about the TTA because of the way he posted. That was that he breathes some life into the thread. So, I don't mind that at all, and I usually find even if the TTA does get upset, it will be him for the most part, and if anyone else reacts to it in the combative way, that only proves Titor's future may come or be partly true. I wonder what either person would think of that then, since this is only a forum, and only be an extremely small part of the overall feeling of a feeling in general.

Not to change the subject though, Bush just announced that staying in Iraq has to be done, until his Term is done. Otherwise, I wonder what other people are going to think of that. However, at this time, I have to find another job, since some people always respond negatively no matter what.
They want to not get along with people in any way, no matter if they are just being immature or not.

I know that I also have faults that I have to adjust to, but part of that is from the Past and from extreme discrimination like what I still receive. However, some people are so short with the subject that all they really want to do is punish people for some reason. I also want to do that, but to do that, I would have to appear on National News or someway that some other people really would not like me. I already have that with hot heads, so I am really getting tired of it. I put up with that sort of thing in the Past, and I will not put up with it again. When other people can not see their own faults, and all they do is complain, all I can say, is that in some ways Titor is still making more sense. Those other people are passed the point to me of feeling any pain, they just expect the world to be worse, or that (at least to me) they will make it worse. I was trying to make it better, but then, noone really listened to me anyway, so if combative is the way that the world goes, I will make a former company look so bad as to defy description. I will and may be wrecking anything they come up with. Afterall I am just plain tired of mean people, so yes, I have asked the Vatican to move their church out of the USA as well as the other ones from the major churches. Every time, since I am the same age, that someone does not tell anything, and example is unfortunately as Al Gore did, or others, I just remember what kind of President this Country is electing, and also from the Past. I did not expect back 30 years ago to hear that President make jokes about being a pot head, but then it was done. Now, I find the same amusing thing, although I do it myself, but not to the degree of running a country. I still fail to see the humor in no foresight, and only acts that do not at the time involve at least a little bit of thinking, although it may. I expect by 2008, by being in Iraq, some people will be so tired of it, or homeless, like I might get, that only by using the Past as an example and making an example out of that former company will people actually start to think. Will it change some of those people's ways?
No! Unfortunately, I am such in a mood that if I am going to take some other's people hate in a sort of fashion, when especially they will not admit it or to at least me -- lie -- that I am going to put on the gloves and explain that when an entire company goes out the door in a State, and when Governors of that State use expressions of words, even though the act is not there, that I have gotten tired of it, and very tired of it. I even wrote the Governor or Illinios to tell him what I thought about this other Governor, that expresses such an opinion as to have people in his State, wonder what the Heck he is doing. I am going through a process whereas I want to down this State so bad anymore, that if they do not change their evil ways, (baby -- old Santana Song) I am ready to shock their brains back to what I will not take anymore. They can complain all they want to, and I really do not want to do whatever punishment I will think of, but at the same time, I do not see going homeless for them, with a set of rules that only has their "I" in the expression. If I have to write all 50 States and their Governors I may even do that. I really do not like what this Govenor said, at all.

Oh, what did he state? Well, this Governor wants to move Child Molester out of his State. Well, not everyone in this Stupid State is all that Great anyway, and most people just pass it off. I find that when a politician says the things that he brought up but did not do, I am ready to call CBS - 60 minutes and start in no uncertain terms, because of the way I was treated to have everyone else attack this stupid State, while they think that they will have their whims and smile then, and claim that they are nice. I have explained it to the Senators both of them, and I also have explained that it is something that I do not want to do. But to them, even if I attempted that, no one in this Country would not be more thinking of their own State to do anything about it. They play on this venue and have in the Past.

Ya, know, in Titor's future that is almost another thing that is better giving me more choices then what they will consider. At least I hope the Vatican at least listened to what I have said and although probably not considering it, that's how bad it has gotten. I also think other people will be happier if some of Titor's future did happen here, as they would like that, but not the other Federal thing that Titor talked about. Yes, I am being vague, as to not irritate some people on a forum or go too much into detail. Maybe some people can surmise what it is that I am talking about, since I have mentioned the President. In the end, wars between religions can be a very nasty thing, according to The Bible, and that is all I will say about it.

And that is going on, right now, with the Middle East.

So again, where does anyone get that TTA is Titor?

Have some fun TTA, might as well have with it!

 

[TTA_01]

Interesting analysis RainmanTime. From your postings, I can tell you’re a smart individual. That doesn’t scare the TTA though!

However, what does scare me RainmanTime, is that you’re a smart guy with a New Age twist, and with Scientology sympathies; really that’s a scary combination in of it’s self.

And so the game continues is what you are really saying?

Your interpretations are obviously unique to you. Nothing I say will prove to your complete satisfaction who I really am.

Therefore, regardless of the information you give us in your answers, one must continue to examine your intentions and your motivations, as these will aid in verifying/validating whether or not you played the character of John Titor. Of course, if you did play Titor, there are no doubt other individuals who could provide verification and validation of this fact, with "hard evidence". However, one would assume that such people are "in on the game" and would stand to lose $ (or the potential of future $) by ratting on you.

Obviously you don’t know the TTA very well. Or I guess the whole purpose for this investigation, is that many are not sure anymore if I’m really just the TTA, and who pretended to be John Titor.

If the motivation I have suggested above is correct, TTA will do everything in his power to make sure his words in this instantiation do not look anything like Titor, and he might even try to disassociate himself from his other ponderings as TTA (and God knows how many other characters he may have created on the net).

It must be quite the predicament that many of you are perhaps finding your selves in these days.

Would it just help if I said that I wasn’t John Titor, and never had anything to do with the making of the story? Would that conclude this tedious and time consuming investigation? Or is that again, according to your criteria, without “verification and validation” I could just be lying to “keep the game going.”

It’s like I said today, (or if I’m John Titor, and said it many years ago) Nothing I say will prove who I am.

Thoughts: Most times, a willing audience will always be able to conjure up all sorts of performers to perform cheap parlor tricks that will amaze and give the appearance of truth. But was the TTA such a performer, who pretended to be John Titor? I think not!

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OvLrdLegion, it’s nice to meet you too. I received your e-mail, I will be responding to you shortly. In the mean time, I’m just going to comment on some of your questions.

1. Did you post those pictures posted of the time machine, and of the others related to J.T. ?

If you did....

2. Do you still have the Corvette ?
3. Do you still have the machine that is in the pictures?

1. The TTA did not post pictures of any time machine or anything else related to J.T.

2. I don't have the Corvette.

3. Presently and as far I know, I do not have the machine that is in the pictures

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Nitescott,

Sure, elect your representative. That would almost make this interrogation/investigation seem more democratic.

Bytheway, for those of you who introduced themselves to me, thank-you.

So which one of you is Ray?

Bring on the questions brother!

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TimeNot_0,

Thanks… but your post concerned me a bit. Perhaps you should find someone in your area who will be willing to listen to you. And please, don’t do anything irrational at work. It’s like Shaggy says; “Whenever you think you have it bad, there’s always somebody else who has it worse.”

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Which brings me to poster zerubbabel. Yes, I was banned, but you know nothing of it!

That was in the past… so who’s being combative now?

I am reminded of a saying: “He who says it, is it!”

Perhaps all those negative emotional inflictions you seem to believe the TTA has, could perhaps be your own. Subconsciously your emotions express who you truly are, both in body language and spoken. Grant it, I don’t know you (or do I) but the TTA has seen many refined individuals before who’s true colors have shown. And yours my friend, is Kermit the Frog Green :D!

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I hope I was able to asnwer some of your questions to your satisfaction. If I was not, please let me know exactly what you'd wish to know, and I will get back to you as soon as I am able. Have a pleasant day all.

TTA

 

[Arraitz]

Hi,

It's been a long time since I stopped reading about the Titor saga, and about the ongoing investigation. I see there may be new developments...

I just wanted to ask if that code phrase (a song, I think) that Titor gave to Pamela really exists, and is still valid to verify Titor's identity. Also, I would like to know if Pamela is still posting in this forum, or any other.

Thanks, and regards,
Arraitz

 

[RainmanTime]

TTA,

However, what does scare me RainmanTime, is that you’re a smart guy with a New Age twist, and with Scientology sympathies; really that’s a scary combination in of it’s self.

That is an interesting analytical conclusion you have arrived at, and I wonder how you came to this conclusion that I have sympathies for Scientology? Is it a result of the fact that I believe Science and Spirituality are merging and have a great deal of common data?

I will offer that back in the late 80s I did investigate Scientology, and it only took me about 1 week of "courses" at the OC Org to figure out what their game was and leave their brew of "religion" behind. In fact, not only do I not have sympathies for Scientology, but I would bet that I am on their "watch list".

It does seem that no matter how many times I moved, nor where I moved to, they were able to keep up with me.

Your interpretations are obviously unique to you. Nothing I say will prove to your complete satisfaction who I really am.

If I arrive at any interpretations about you, TTA, I assure you that they will be shared and compared with others' (outside the public view of this forum) before I were ever to reveal them here. As to your second point, you may have missed my earlier point: I am not seeking any form of objective proof of who you are or whether you were Titor. I thought I made it clear why an "investigation" of that sort would not be terribly useful. Rather, what I am interested in are your motivations and intentions, and how they might impact on or comingle with The John Titor Experiment. I've collected some useful data already from this reply of yours.

Obviously you don’t know the TTA very well.

Not yet... but I'm working on it.

It must be quite the predicament that many of you are perhaps finding your selves in these days.

Would it just help if I said that I wasn’t John Titor, and never had anything to do with the making of the story? Would that conclude this tedious and time consuming investigation? Or is that again, according to your criteria, without “verification and validation” I could just be lying to “keep the game going.”

Personally, I am in no predicament here. However, it would seem that some here have "drafted" me to engage you. It is up to me how, and for what reasons, I should choose to engage you. But yes, you are correct in your assertion that simply stating you were not the character of Titor, nor had anything to do with his creation, is not subject to verification or validation. At least insofar as it is a simple statement of dissociation. However, this statement has provided some data for my purposes, if even just a tad.

So which one of you is Ray?

Bring on the questions brother!

That would be me. I won't go into how I received my nickname. As for questions, there are many places I could begin. Let's start with this one (I'll number them just so myself and others can keep track):

1) How would you rate your face-to-face people skills? To make it into a simple (yes/no), do you suffer some, or perhaps a good deal, of anxiety when dealing with people face-to-face on contentious issues?

It may seem like a bizarre question to begin with, but my second question will establish its foundation, I assure you.

Kind Regards,
RMT

 

[iridium]

Cipher: TTA = JT

Darby: TTA != JT

CAT: TTA = JT

Creedo229: ?

RMT: !

[others]: ?

Darby: Gets TTA

TTA: ?

TTA: !



What does all that mean? I will interpret. Here at TTI, Cipher does some analysis on who JT could be. Why? Who knows...it may or may not be important right now. Cipher comes to the conclusion that TTA is JT. Darby immediately says "No. I know TTA irl. He's not JT." CAT says, "I don't know. Cipher has some pretty interesting information." A bunch of users have various reactions. So, Darby gets TTA to come here and address the issue. Does TTA come and unequivocally deny that he is JT? NO! But let's look at the situation. A forum, one that TTA was quite active on in the past is looking into who JT really could be. JT is the reason 99.999% of users come to this forum. JT is a "legend" that hasn't died in 6 years. TTA knows that whoever is really behind JT would be somewhat of a celebrity...at least here on these forums. So, he decides to reply in ways that he doesn't accept or deny the charge that he is JT. What he does is reply with vague answers that most would assume acknowledgement that he is JT.

Again, I have to take the stance of treating TTA as someone claiming to be JT and require proof of that.

There is no value in taking the stance that TTA really is JT and is trying to hide it. That is unprovable.

 

[CAT]

This is the one, that no matter how hard I try I cant look past…

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=8858&Forum=All_Forums&Words=TimeTravelActivist&Match=Username&Searchpage=26&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=8858&Search=true#Post8858

Darby, I looked up some information that you posted about the meaning of Titors name. You said that you got this information directly from Pamela M. who told you his real name, and that it wasn’t John or Titor but that he used his original name from TTI which was TimeTravel_0 with a twist on his original user name that he did not want to be believed… so he converted his name from TimeTravel_Or Not Time Travelinto) Ti Tor.

Now when Javier posted to please join his I.O.T.M club… Which stands for Individuals Opposed to Temporal Manipulation, you'll see that he abbreviated the words and also capitalized them… Then he goes on to talk about - You must come together to decide, Time Travel, or No Time Travel? And as you can see he capitalized them again… so I’m assuming that if this was a real club he probably abbreviated it as Cipher and Darby say… Ti TOr

My question is, who was in the club? Could Garry Voss or Pamela M have been two of them?

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/iotm (Its obviously not working now)

 

[TimeNot_0]

TTA it is Al.

But anyway, I am sort of laughing now at this thread here.


By the Master of Orion III is mostly fixed by the players of the game. Ethics?
Yes, that is an excellent topic for discussion -- oh wait -- Titor mentioned all of that.

Well, back to the game, as well as a new keyboard, since Microsoft's quit working maybe due to spilling liquid in it??

Well, who is going to be Master of Orion ? (of time travelers here.)

Well, to me, we are all time travelers in a sense, just without the pictures and without the machine, without the theory, without any of the rest of it.

Yes, it would be nice to make money posting on a forum, I guess, but I just do not see it yet.

I don't really think in my opinion that Pamela M wants to talk to all that many people anymore.
Well, that is the female of the species, I guess. May change their mind more than others also, or not, who can tell, who really knows, what physics covers that -- none!

Got to go!

 

[iridium]

I have a question to some of the "old timers", maybe creedo, darby, CAT?

Wasn't TTA also Enforcer of Time on these boards?

 

[TTA_01]

RainmanTime,

That is an interesting analytical conclusion you have arrived at, and I wonder how you came to this conclusion that I have sympathies for Scientology? Is it a result of the fact that I believe Science and Spirituality are merging and have a great deal of common data?

Of course, I have no doubt that Science and Spirituality are merging. That is exactly what the TTA has been saying all along. However, one must know for what purpose, and what the end results could mean for humanity.

In brief: Time Travel is so much more different and significant then our current technological applications. It’s consequential potential is often times missed and ignored in the awe of it’s great capability, and of the delusions of instant gratification it can bring. Some may argue, that speaking against it, would be no different then those who’s lack of tolerance for embracing the novel concepts like Galileo’s Theory of the world being round or of Darwin’s Theory of Evaluation once received. All of which were highly criticized. Today, it’s Stem Cell research, Cloning & Time Travel.

However, one cannot categorize Time Travel along with the theory that the world is round or that we evolved from lower species. Or can we? Let us play “Devil’s Advocate” for a moment and look at this. These theories were both new concepts at a time, much how Time Travel is for us today. And yet, all have harmed our past, and affected the outlook of our future.

But did knowing and comprehending these new theories make us better people, more tolerant and acceptable to new idea’s and possibilities? In a sense, but we could not put the genie back in the bottle. And despite the sophistication and advancement of what we now knew, our tolerance and acceptability was and still is the last to evolve. Truth, not necessarily thrusts a society forwards, sometimes it must take a few steps back, to then move forward. But for those concepts that were once deemed heresy to religion driven societies, we would not be here today had we not defied convention and colonized America. However, we all know history; the great sacrifices that were made, the people we hurt along the way, and the lies we told. But truth or no truth; we were justified to do what we must, to get where we wanted to, and accomplish what we wanted.

But, are we now any different?

With our evolved insight into the 21st Century, do we still stand to repeat and justify radicalism again?

Do we tempt faith, and change the past and the future with Time Travel?

It’s not a question of if we do, but when we do it?

The point I am making here is: Given our history and human tendencies for conquering and acquiring great power and knowledge; should any sentient being have exclusive command of Time, and complete discretion to determine alterations of the time line? Would this not complicate the mechanics of the universe, destroy the very essence of our being, crumble the foundation we had originally advanced from to ultimately play God?

Who would we elect to call the shots, and who will decide how often?

We will!

Right now, our political and socioeconomic differences and problems will inevitably lead to us to a unification point in humanity. Once this future is realized, it will stop at nothing to justify it’s ends, i.e. spiritual transcendence, tolerance and acceptability of all. In the end, by using Time Travel, Cloning and other unethically sound forms of manipulation, humanity stands to lose everything. Banning us to a place of genetic & spiritual purgatory; exploitation of our race will not just be so much for our advancement anymore, but for our survival.

This is the End Game.

I will offer that back in the late 80s I did investigate Scientology, and it only took me about 1 week of "courses" at the OC Org to figure out what their game was and leave their brew of "religion" behind. In fact, not only do I not have sympathies for Scientology, but I would bet that I am on their "watch list". It does seem that no matter how many times I moved, nor where I moved to, they were able to keep up with me.

It is of great consequence, nor prudent for the TTA (a true SP) to disclose any prior involvement or knowledge that I may have had with the Co$, the Sea Org and it’s members. But I will say this, that OC org sure did have a nice pond

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That would be me. I won't go into how I received my nickname. As for questions, there are many places I could begin. Let's start with this one (I'll number them just so myself and others can keep track):

1) How would you rate your face-to-face people skills? To make it into a simple (yes/no), do you suffer some, or perhaps a good deal, of anxiety when dealing with people face-to-face on contentious issues?

It may seem like a bizarre question to begin with, but my second question will establish its foundation, I assure you.

Response to question:
1) As the TTA, I am confident in all face-to-face confrontations. Let’s just say, I’ve had many years of practice

. However, I am still only human, I hurt, I make errors and on occasion I have my fears and anxieties just like everyone else. When it comes to contentious issues in face-to-face situations, that depends: If the person who is in my grill is a women and I know has a tendency to not stop talking, I will not engage in communication, there is no resolve often times that can come out of it. Even for the TTA, a woman’s irrationality and lack of accountability is formidable to true reason and logic. Other factors can include my knowledgeability and confidence on a given topic, but overall I think I do fairly well.

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iridium,

TTA was quite active on in the past is looking into who JT really could be. JT is the reason 99.999% of users come to this forum. JT is a "legend" that hasn't died in 6 years. TTA knows that whoever is really behind JT would be somewhat of a celebrity...at least here on these forums. So, he decides to reply in ways that he doesn't accept or deny the charge that he is JT. What he does is reply with vague answers that most would assume acknowledgement that he is JT.

First of all, I don’t need the celebrity status J.T. has, I have my own. The TTA was named a legend too on the Time Travel Network back in 2004. I made a brief cameo appearance there, only to get banned a week later by some “TimeCop” adolescent flamers, all while the moderator in his power trip joined in as well (ask Sosuemetoo, she can vouch for this). But that is beside the point, I don’t have a desire to be liked by anyone, especially now with some believing I am responsible for creating the J.T. story.

For the truth is, I have always denied I was ever J.T. past & present. I don’t think Cipher mentioned that, but it was once postulated before that I was J.T. And of course, I denied it.

But who’s to say if I am really telling the truth? Not even my “once” best friend CAT seems to believe me. If you want to believe I am John, what can I say to convince you otherwise? That is the conclusion you would draw no matter what might I say.

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CAT,

Now when Javier posted to please join his I.O.T.M club… Which stands for Individuals Opposed to Temporal Manipulation, you'll see that he abbreviated the words and also capitalized them… Then he goes on to talk about - You must come together to decide, Time Travel, or No Time Travel? And as you can see he capitalized them again… so I’m assuming that if this was a real club he probably abbreviated it as Cipher and Darby say… Ti TOr

Could it be that maybe you’re choosing to see a link, where really there is just a coincidence?

Or is there?

I know that uncertainty has driven you to suspect and forsake so much, including our friendship.

If it means anything anymore to you, you were the only one I trusted on here. And if even you can’t believe me, I don't know how I can expect others to.

TTA

 

[zerubbabel]

Javier,

You are still a legend in your own mind. Nothing has changed. Everything you have stated on this thread is the same old crap you stated before--including speaking of yourself in the third person as though he was somehow "different" than you.

Oh yes Javier, you know me for I was in the very middle of the period of your banning--and before. We set you up because you are so predictable. We watched you go off the deep end, all the while pretending the same kind of calm you are exhibiting now. We haven't forgotten that you were willing to track down Creedo, and call him up in Washington and harass him. We haven't forgotten your little "tryst" with a fourteen-year-old girl and your hopes of marrying her. We haven't forgotten your sexism (which clearly shows up here though disguised) or your racism in speaking of Cat's and other Jewish peoples custom of not speaking Jehova's name and making fun of it. We haven't forgotten your belittling of people or your stereotyping. We haven't forgotten any of it. And, of course, there are the archives of your rantings. You won't last long this time Javier. You just ain't got the cookies. By the way, I was sonofbabylon and became DestroyingAngel just for you. You see, Javier, I WAS there and I KNOW. Now rant on. You'll be fooling nobody.

 

[Darby]

CAT,

Darby, I looked up some information that you posted about the meaning of Titors name. You said that you got this information directly from Pamela M. who told you his real name, and that it wasn’t John or Titor but that he used his original name from TTI which was TimeTravel_0 with a twist on his original user name that he did not want to be believed… so he converted his name from TimeTravel_Or Not Time Travelinto) Ti Tor.

Pamela didn't tell me his real name. She hasn't told anyone, to my knowledge, what "real" name he used.

She did say that Titor told her in an email that TimeTravel_O was based on his original statement that he didn't care if we believed him or not, thus "Time Traveler - Or Not (a Time Traveler)".

Here's the link to Javier's site that is still working. He's had the site since 6-22-1999:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/9822/

The hypertext on the site isn't highlighted so you have to look for the text cues to find the HTML links to the rest of his site.

 

[RainmanTime]

TTA,

Of course, I have no doubt that Science and Spirituality are merging. That is exactly what the TTA has been saying all along. However, one must know for what purpose, and what the end results could mean for humanity.

My but you are being quite cooperative in providing data, aren't you? And one would be left to presume that the TTA certainly knows the purpose and the end results for humanity? However, your error is that you appear to have not done sufficient investigation of the scientific content of ancient texts, for they make it quite clear that the "end result" will not be the same, uniform result for all of humanity. Those who understand the central precepts of creation have a distinct advantage.

Today, it’s Stem Cell research, Cloning & Time Travel.

I'm afraid I would have to guess your understanding of science as inadequate if you group TT as similar to these two forms of valid science. You might want to read some of my posts that discuss the only manner in which TT can come to pass, from a scientific perspective. It will most certainly NOT come about in the romantic fashion as depicted in The John Titor Experiment (or any of the more interesting SciFi stories that came before it). For your appeals to "logic and reason" in your reply to CAT, I find your scientific analysis of how TT will come to pass as devoid of both logic and reason.

However, one cannot categorize Time Travel along with the theory that the world is round or that we evolved from lower species. Or can we? Let us play “Devil’s Advocate” for a moment and look at this. These theories were both new concepts at a time, much how Time Travel is for us today. And yet, all have harmed our past, and affected the outlook of our future.

Harmed our past? Quite the absolutist view. You are most certainly trapped in a cycle of judgement if you believe that anything that has come to pass has "harmed" our development towards our spiritual birthright. Anything that has come to pass is a simple Truth of our growth towards the Creator. To brand it as either "harmful" or "beneficial" denies it as the Truth that it is. Being the fan of quotes that you seem to be, I am sure you know of "Judge not lest ye be judged".

With our evolved insight into the 21st Century, do we still stand to repeat and justify radicalism again?

Your motivation is already showing. Just who do you refer to as "we", as if I can't infer it? Do I need to point out on this very day what sort of justification of radicalism is going on outside our country? Here... read...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/afghan.christian.ap/index.html

Pray tell how THIS is the fault and/or creation of western civilization?

This is the End Game.

I would have to guess that you will be living in a very different future world that I, and others, will be living in. In a sense I feel sorry for you in this regard, but it is your Choice and you are fully conscious of the Choice you are making for yourself.

It is of great consequence, nor prudent for the TTA (a true SP) to disclose any prior involvement or knowledge that I may have had with the Co$, the Sea Org and it’s members. But I will say this, that OC org sure did have a nice pond

But of course. For a spiritually destitute practice that usurp's people's individualism, one must provide "shiny materialist trinkets" to keep the harvested minds from seeing who is behind the curtain.

Response to question:
1) As the TTA, I am confident in all face-to-face confrontations. Let’s just say, I’ve had many years of practice . However, I am still only human, I hurt, I make errors and on occasion I have my fears and anxieties just like everyone else. When it comes to contentious issues in face-to-face situations, that depends: If the person who is in my grill is a women and I know has a tendency to not stop talking, I will not engage in communication, there is no resolve often times that can come out of it. Even for the TTA, a woman’s irrationality and lack of accountability is formidable to true reason and logic. Other factors can include my knowledgeability and confidence on a given topic, but overall I think I do fairly well.

Very good. You are much too kind in your generosity of sharing your thoughts and motivations. This will do nicely, so let us just move right along with several more questions...

2) Do you often feel frustrated by people who do not comprehend the truths you claim to understand? Do you find yourself always having to correct people because they seem to interpret you incorrectly?

3) When someone does you wrong, do you feel you should "pay that person back" (if you can), just for the principle of the thing?

4) Do you feel that the time when you were growing up (generally adolescence) to be a more gentle, reasonable time in our sociopolitical history?

5) Have you ever owned a "classic muscle car"?

6) Do you expect the Spanish Inquisition?

RMT

 

[Darby]

zerubbabel,

Whoa big fella. Javier is a big boy and he doesn't need me to stick up for him but your last post was just a bit too personal. I'm neither an Admin nor the Moderator here but I've been posting here for almost 6 years. Raul/MOP rarely gets involved with enforcing the rules because we have done a reasonable job of self-policing the forum without a regular Moderator. Let's try to keep that in mind, please.

I notified Javier of Cipher's allegation and invited him here to respond with the full knowledge of his posting style. He is who he is. He's confrontational, opinionated and, yes, he rants. So what's new? But I didn't invite him here so that he could be ambushed or...as you said relative to TTN..."set up" to get TOS'ed.

I invited him to post because people wanted to hear his side of the story. I don't think that anyone expected that he would change his style just to please them.

But from his style we can be reminded of how that compares to Titor/TTO's style. And I posted a link to his old site that has been up and basically unchanged since 1999. He has loads of writing style exemplars there that pre-date Titor. More fodder for comparison.

 

[TTA_01]

Ah yes, I do remember you sonofbabylon.

And I recall you fell silent for many many months after our debates. I wondered what happened to you.

We watched you go off the deep end, all the while pretending the same kind of calm you are exhibiting now.

What else would I show, verses what you would have liked for me to show?

We haven't forgotten that you were willing to track down Creedo, and call him up in Washington and harass him.

Yes, I did do that. But please, don’t speak for Creedo or CAT. Why not let them ask me why I did it?

We haven't forgotten your sexism (which clearly shows up here though disguised) or your racism in speaking of Cat's and other Jewish peoples custom of not speaking Jehova's name and making fun of it.

Really? Please cite what I’ve said, I am having trouble following you through your layers of hostility and fixation with sex.

We haven't forgotten your belittling of people or your stereotyping. We haven't forgotten any of it. And, of course, there are the archives of your rantings.

Yes, I’ve never denied anything that I’ve said in the past. The archives are there for anyone to read and draw a conclusion, as are yours. Personally I don’t fear what history would think of my rantings.

As it is now, many believe I am J.T. so it’s really up to anyones personal subjective analysis.

You won't last long this time Javier. You just ain't got the cookies. By the way, I was sonofbabylon and became DestroyingAngel just for you. You see, Javier, I WAS there and I KNOW. Now rant on. You'll be fooling nobody.

Now why would I ever want to fool anyone, especially you Sonofbabylon? Really, I am getting the impression you have some sort of personal grudge against the TTA. If you feel I’ve wrong you in some way, please voice your concerns to me in a civil manner. As the TTA has been since his return.

Otherwise, you are no more at fault for the very things you seem to blaming me for.


Bytheway, I found some history. Pertinant to this investigation of course:

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=12848&Forum=time_travel&Words=DestroyingAngel%20&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12752&Search=true#Post12848

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=12759&Forum=time_travel&Words=DestroyingAngel%20&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12706&Search=true#Post12759

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=12562&Forum=time_travel&Words=DestroyingAngel%20&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12430&Search=true#Post12562

Here's a good one.

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=12527&Forum=time_travel&Words=DestroyingAngel%20&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12487&Search=true#Post12527

You were so angry in this one!

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=12426&Forum=time_travel&Words=DestroyingAngel%20&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12301&Search=true#Post12426

And that's just for your destroyingangel.

I did not do a search for sonofbabylon posts.


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RainmanTime,

My but you are being quite cooperative in providing data, aren't you?

Of course I am cooperative with data, why else would I be here for? I was told about this thread, and I felt invited by many of the newcomers who wanted to ask me some questions.

And one would be left to presume that the TTA certainly knows the purpose and the end results for humanity?

Yes, I do. As much as anybody else who lives with humanity does.

However, your error is that you appear to have not done sufficient investigation of the scientific content of ancient texts, for they make it quite clear that the "end result" will not be the same, uniform result for all of humanity. Those who understand the central precepts of creation have a distinct advantage.

Whoa slow down Ray, your getting way to technical for me. I never stated I was some kind of expert in the field. Your expecting me to have Ph.D. material written out for you on a silver platter. I’m just a regular guy, like many others who read and post. My investigation has been my observations and experience with people, no ancient texts referenced.

I'm afraid I would have to guess your understanding of science as inadequate if you group TT as similar to these two forms of valid science.

You guessed correctly Ray. As I’ve stated many times in the past (look it up), the TTA is no scientific expert. I have more of an intuitive “Common Joe” feeling to Time Travel /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

You might want to read some of my posts that discuss the only manner in which TT can come to pass, from a scientific perspective.

Thank-you for making your posts available to me. As it is, I hardly have any time to post. But I will look into some when I have the time.

It will most certainly NOT come about in the romantic fashion as depicted in The John Titor Experiment (or any of the more interesting SciFi stories that came before it). For your appeals to "logic and reason" in your reply to CAT, I find your scientific analysis of how TT will come to pass as devoid of both logic and reason.

I really had no idea you were such an expert on Time Travel Ray. Please, a thousand pardons if my romantic notions fail to stand any substantial notoriety in the light of your views.

Harmed our past? Quite the absolutist view.

No, not quite absolutist. Like I said, I would be brief. If you want to base this one sole view on what I’ve said so far “In brief” that’s fine.

You are most certainly trapped in a cycle of judgement if you believe that anything that has come to pass has "harmed" our development towards our spiritual birthright.

No, not Pseudo-NewAge-isms. First I am devoid of logic and reason, but somehow your telling me we have a “spiritual birthright?”

Like I said, scary combination.

Anything that has come to pass is a simple Truth of our growth towards the Creator. To brand it as either "harmful" or "beneficial" denies it as the Truth that it is.

That is if you subscribe to that absolutist view.

Being the fan of quotes that you seem to be, I am sure you know of "Judge not lest ye be judged".

Yes, I’ve heard of it. But what does that, have to do with my incomplete review of history?

As there are multiple ways to look at subjects in any field. Much like in politics you have your: feminism, communism, capitalism, utilitarianism, etc. etc.

Really, anyone who tells you their views, is not in a sense judging one or the other, but offering their unique perspective.

I think the “Judge not lest ye be judged,” has more of a biblical connotation to it then what we are talking about. And again, it’s up to who ever subcribes to that doctrine.

Your motivation is already showing. Just who do you refer to as "we", as if I can't infer it? Do I need to point out on this very day what sort of justification of radicalism is going on outside our country? Here... read...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/afghan.christian.ap/index.html
Pray tell how THIS is the fault and/or creation of western civilization?

Calm down Ray, I was speaking in general terms. I apologize for using "we" in the context that I used it in. I did not mean to offend you or anyone.

However, I would go on to use “we” in radicalism in the sense that “many” people in general living in Western Civilzations seem to not care for “many” people's feelings, and often times they ignore the fact that they can hurt. Sometimes inconsiderate words can be spoken in a very radical way, in harsh and unsensitive tones. It is more so prevalent in East Coast cities, I hear.

So Ray, if you can “infer it” do pray tell, and do so!

Very good. You are much too kind in your generosity of sharing your thoughts and motivations. This will do nicely, so let us just move right along with several more questions...

Yes, and perhaps I’ve been a bit to generous in openly sharing my thoughts and motivations with you Ray. I accepted your question as genuine interest, but somehow I now sense sarcasm and radicalism in pursuing in this investigation with the TTA ruthlessly.

Nevertheless, the TTA is on to you, and will thread with caution.

2) Do you often feel frustrated by people who do not comprehend the truths you claim to understand? Do you find yourself always having to correct people because they seem to interpret you incorrectly?

No, not really.

How about you? Do you feel frustrated with people? Do you find your self correcting them because you feel that they may have incorrectly interpreted what you said?

Please re-read your post to see how you too can answer your own question.

3) When someone does you wrong, do you feel you should "pay that person back" (if you can), just for the principle of the thing?

No, I don’t feel like I have to get back at anyone. But yes, the principle is important too. And explaining that depends on how it can be achieved without causing much upset.

4) Do you feel that the time when you were growing up (generally adolescence) to be a more gentle, reasonable time in our sociopolitical history?

Sure, I guess I was reasonable. I didn’t say much, til I came on here.

How about you? Did you feel you were gentle and reasonable in your sociopolitical history?

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How about now?

5) Have you ever owned a "classic muscle car"?

Have I ever owned a classic muscle car? Hmmm… the TTA has not.

6) Do you expect the Spanish Inquisition?

Well Ray, you seem to think I’m already an absolutist. And I’m not much of a religious person, so I guess I can’t really give you an answer to this.


I hope some of these questions were to your satisfaction. Let me know if there is anymore you'd like for me to answer for you.

Sincerely,

TTA

 

[CAT]

Well as we can all see just how clever and witting the TTA thinks he can be… Though it is so plainfully obvious that it is revealing a whole lot more than just Titor… He has such a cunning and crafty way of masking things its pathetic! This is the same rotten spiel that he gave me and Zerub and many others on this forum…

Boy Cipher sure had him pegged right as being Bipolar!

And I must also credit myself with calling him (in the past) a cheap Internet harpy! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Because that’s turning out to be just who he really is…

Oh and please stop sickening me with this whole friendship thingy… You’re NOT my friend anymore!

And for the readers of this forum I must let you know that (a couple years ago) I filed a police report on Javier for harassment.

Javier, I would hate to march myself right back down there again!

I’m wondering why MOP has not intervened yet?

Darby,

Pamela didn't tell me his real name. She hasn't told anyone, to my knowledge, what "real" name he used.

She did say that Titor told her in an email that TimeTravel_O was based on his original statement that he didn't care if we believed him or not, thus "Time Traveler - Or Not (a Time Traveler)".

Here's the link to Javier's site that is still working. He's had the site since 6-22-1999:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/9822/

The hypertext on the site isn't highlighted so you have to look for the text cues to find the HTML links to the rest of his site.

You are basically saying (and illuminating) the same thing I just said in my previous post?

Oh and (if I’m not mistaken) Cipher pointed out already that Javiers I.O.T.M site was found to contain the same words that were also in Titors posts… and furthermore how could anyone not see the likeness to his and Titors ideas…

So what’s your point Darby you’ve only reiterated what I was basically saying…

Now Javier when you say that it was just a “coincidence” that Cipher made the connection to (Time Travel Or No Time Travel) TiTOr … It seems he made a lot more connection than just THAT!

Javier you also mentioned something about Zerub saying that you recall a teenage boy who once posted here, who you took a strange liking to. Not so much for his eccentric appearance, but for something more spiritual.

You must be referring to “yourself” when you took it upon yourself to send your smiling picture in an email to Zerub!

I’ve got to admit at that point I knew something was certainly not kosher with you… I wonder why I didn’t see those runway lights before? Though at this point nothing surprises me about you anymore…

In fact it wouldn’t surprise me that your email [email protected] was for a porno site.

 

[bogz]

Ok I'll put you down for great then.

 

[TTA_01]

CAT,

You said:

And for the readers of this forum I must let you know that (a couple years ago) I filed a police report on Javier for harassment.

Which you later acknowledged it was a mistake, tried to get me re-instated, and apologized for doing so in the first place.

All these about faces CAT… aren’t you getting dizzy by now?

Really, I thought we were friends again after that. But you get freaked out over what someone says, and BOOM! You've changed!

Javier, I would hate to march myself right back down there again!

On what grounds? An old grudge?

I’m wondering why MOP has not intervened yet?

I was invited as a guest and have conducted my self respectfully with everyone.

Though I can't speak for some, obviously they don't seem to think so.

If MOP wishes to ban me again for no reason other then to make you happy CAT, then so be it.

I had fun this week posting with all of you again after so many years.

Though the proof is highly unlikely that I ever did harass you in the way you would like to think I did, simply for having a difference in opinion. I don't think that falls into the harassment definition most states have.

As for this whole other crazy sex fixation you and Zerub are having, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

If this is my last post, I wish you all well.

TTA

 

[KerrTexas]

Wow, the hostilty in this thread is extreme. Everyone has different views on many subjects. TTA, you make some vaild points regarding the habits of humanity with regards to the abuse of discovery.

We do become frustrated when in heated "battle", but if we wanted to contact anyone that posts in this forum, their permission should be requested, and if denied, then any ideas of contacting that person must be dropped, no matter what the circumstances may be.

I admit that I have retaliated a few times, but merely with words within this forum, and not by personally contacting people that may have slighted me in some way.

You, yourself, are pointing out the abuses of humanity in the past, yet, why contribute to these habits or patterns ?

My personal feelings about any race, religion or gender as chosen by others are not going to interfere with communicating with anyone on this forum. I certainly have become angry, being imperfect, but know when to step away and catch my breath to return when I have my self under control.

By calling Creedo and CAT and badgering them, you are joining the choir of which you describe in your views of mankinds histroy.

We all must accept personal responsibility for our own actions, and also realize that in these times, there are 3 choices to be made.

1. To build positive energy, to extend our helping hands to those in need, to demonstrate that mankind does have the ability to be righteous. To lead by example. To acknowledge to others when damage has been done and stand up and accept accountability.
2. Do nothing and watch the events unfold and hide in a concrete bunker somewhere.
3. To contribute to the dark and perverse side of humanity. Support the deception of the darkness, and demonstrate a complete lack of love for our brothers and sisters.

I dont really know you, since I wasnt a member back 'in the day.' You have an opportunity to stand up and perhaps, right some wrongs. Perhaps, all that has happened that brought you back into TTI was just that chance being granted to you by the Spirit of Light...

Everyone that has posted in this thread, I respect and consider as friends. I may not agree with everything said, but appreciate the opportunity to have such good people to reflect my thoughts with...and change patterns when I go astray.