September 2024

[Designer]

So let say you buy some gold and a week later
go into a time machine and go back half a week
and double your profits. But with the divergence
model you go back a half week and the other gold
will no be there thus satisfying the conservation
of energy theorem. Thus divergence is a must or
else things can get ridiculous or what. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[BR_Holden]

I am not sure what you are referring to regarding "physical videoclubs"...can you elaborate?

My fault, Lyndzee. A videoclub is a DVD rental store, like the Blockbuster chain. So the right question would be: Do you have physical DVD/Blu Ray rental stores in 2024? By the way, is Blockbuster still in business?

No, overpopulation is not really a problem.

/ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Wow...Yeah, I guess it's not a problem unless you live in a third-world megacity.

I would say that the market is still primarily DVD though.

What?? There are still DVDs in the stores in 2024?? Unbelievable! Anyway, what about the HVD? Do you know what it is?


And China relinquishing its claim over Taiwan??? Sorry Lyn, but it sounds unbelievable in 2008.

What a strange future...That future you are talking us about is absolutely opposite of Titor's one.
I mean: No WWIII, no Civil War in the U.S., no China-Taiwan war, hidrogen fuel-cell cars, good economy, overpopulation not a problem, etc, etc.
So, let me make you one last question: You said that in september 2024 you are amisdt a presidential elections, so my question is: What are the big topics in that election?

Thank you, Lyndzee!

 

[pamela]

This is how Rainman and Darby see the situation:

But this is what is really going on:

LOLOLOLOL! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[RainmanTime]

Pamela,

I just treat them how I would want to be treated if *I* was a time traveler.

And if you were a time traveler, what would your motivation be in going somewhere and trying to convince other people you were just that? What I am getting it is: Other than wishing for attention, what purpose does it serve to reveal to others that you are a time traveler? This highlights what I believe to be a fundamental difference between us. Use normal travel as an example: If you go to Europe, Australia, or anywhere else, do you have an uncontrollable urge to tell people "I am a traveler from America"? It is not necessarily a bad thing if you do, but it does show a mindset. I have traveled the world quite a bit, and NEVER have I felt the need to announce I was a traveler from CA, USA. (You see, you think because of my attitude on this forum that you know enough to judge me as a persion who wants to be 'the center of attention.' In point of fact, you would find I am very much the opposite IRL. I see no point in telling people things about me that will serve them no purpose.

Before rainman time runs them off and they say "hell with this.."

If they cave in to me, then they were probably some very naieve time travelers, because anyone who was "the real thing" had better know the kind of things they should expect of people who want veridical evidence.

Because frankly if we ever ran across a real one and then found out later hey this one was the real
deal wouldn't you be sorry you didnt get at least some good questions in?

I wouldn't shed a single tear, because I live in the present. I am not a fantasy person who dreams of the future. About the only "dreaming" I do is my engineering which is involved in CREATING the future.

People like Rainman do not even believe time travelers exist.

It is much bigger than that. I have stated many times that I do not believe the whole, popular, "romantic" notion of time travel without severe bodily modification is possible. In fact, the laws of physics as we know them provide no venue for which TT could occur without change in mass.

So they automatically go into attack mode as soon as one claims to be one. He wants proof right away.

That is not a bad thing at all. It is only bad to people who don't worry about real from non-real, truth from fakery. In all valid forms of science, my attitude is lauded, not the other way around.

"they want proof but then they get worried I may be sharing too much!"

That is an arrogant statement aimed only at "true believers". It is ridiculous to think that ANY person of science would ever "worry about too much information." Silly.

I must say..Rainman might have met his match with this one.

Hardly, especially when I can use her own words to impeach her. The fact that she refuses to acknowledge the coherency problems in her own story does not mean they are not there. Anyone who knows DoD procedures and practices will know that what I have outlined is the truth about DoD and DARPA. Lyndzee is a fraud, and perhaps she should be reported for impersonating a government employee?

RMT

 

[Darby]

People like Rainman do not even believe time travelers exist. So they automatically go into attack mode as soon as one claims to be one. He wants proof right away. Same thing John laughed about.
"they want proof but then they get worried I may be sharing too much!"

Any yet when Lyn said

Of course, we cannot outright deny [John Titor's] claims because he supposedly comes from a time ahead of ourselves; however in our community within the International Time Initiative (the group of countries that came together to work on the time travel project) he is believed to be a hoax that took place in the early 2000s.

you said nothing. As far as I can recall over the past 8 years that's a first: someone suggested that John Titor is a hoax and you didn't immediately jump in to defend him against the erstwhile debunker.

Now you might respond that s/he didn't indicate that as his/her opinion, rather it's just the opinion of the majority at ITI. In so soing you'd have to accept Lyn's story as being true. But that would pose a huge problem for the John Titor Saga. Lyn's view of physical reality is 180 degrees at odds with John Titor's view. Lyn's view of the universe is strictly Newtonian with a GR twist that discounts quantum uncertainty. One universe and no Many Worlds. Titor took the position of Many Worlds and quantum uncertainty. Only one can be correct (though both could be wrong). Either you support Lyn's position that Titor is a hoax or you support Titor's position that Lyn is the hoax. You can't have it both ways while being honest about your position on John Titor.

BTW: Lyn was wrong in her assertion that "we cannot outright deny [John Titor's] claims". As stated above, his claims about time travel are the opposite of her position. THe only way that she could actually have that opinion would be to assume that Titor was untruthful about every aspect of the science behind his gadget while being truthful about being a time traveler whose gadget was not as advertised.

 

[dr_allenium]

Lyndzee,
Hello!
I have enjoyed reading this post very much. I find internet threads like this very entertaining.

I've been reading posts here on and off now for a couple of years. I've always been interested in time travel since I was a geeky kid in high school.

I have some simple questions for you, that I don't think anyone has asked yet. If someone has, please forgive me and I'll try and pay more attention next time.

Do you own an automobile in 2024?
If so, what make, model, and year?
Does it use gasoline?
Are gasoline stations still around?
What are gasoline prices in 2024?
In your time, is it the perspective of the public that world oil production has peaked? If so, when (within a few years) is it generally agreed that this happened?

Some in our time think that it has already happened.

I look forward to hearing your answers.

Allenium

 

[BastionK]

Gotta say we see these about 2/month and this one is one of the better ones I've read in the last 4 years. Kudos

-Bastion

 

[CatJammin]

Gee, my questions were skipped. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/cry.gif

 

[Kanigo2]

Hehehe..


Infinite Improbability Drive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Improbability_Drive


was on the.................You guessed it..

The S.S. Heart of Gold.

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Infinite Improbability Drive

The Infinite Improbability Drive is a wonderful new method of crossing vast intersteller distances in a mere nothingth of a second without all that tedious mucking about in hyperspace.

It was discovered by a lucky chance, and then developed into a governable form of propulsion by the Galactic Government's research team on Damogran.

This, briefly, is the story of its discovery.

The principle of generating small amounts of finite improbability by simply hooking the logic circuits of a Bambleweeny 57 sub-meson Brain to an atomic vector plotter suspended in a strong Brownian Motion producer (say a nice hot cup of tea) were of course well understood - and such generators were often used to break the ice at parties by making all the molicules in the hostess's undergarments leap simultaneously one foot to the left, in accordance with the Theory of Indeterminacy.

Many respectable physicists said that they weren't going to stand for this - partly because it was a debasement of science, but mostly because they didn't get invited to those sort of parties.

Another thing they couldn't stand was the perpetual failure they encountered in trying to construct a machine which could generate the infinite improbability field needed to flip a spaceship across the mind-paralysing distances between the furthest stars, and in the end they grumpily announced that such a machine was virtually imposssible.

Then, one day, a student who had been left to sweep up the lab after a particulary unsuccessful party found himself reasoning this way:

If, he thought to himself, such amachine is a virtual impossibility, then it must logically be a finite improbability. So all I have to do in order to make one, is to work out exactly how improbable it is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give it a fresh cup of really hot tea ... and turn it on!

He did this, and was rather startled to discover that he had managed to create the long sought after golden Infinite Improbability generater out of thin air.

It startled him even more when just after he was awarded the Galactic Institute's Prize for Extreme Cleverness he got lynced by a rampaging mob of respectable physicists who had finally realized that the one thing they really couldn't stand was a smartass.

 

[pamela]

In so soing you'd have to accept Lyn's story as being true.

Either you support Lyn's position that Titor is a hoax or you support Titor's position that Lyn is the hoax.

LOL! Actually, I don't have to do anything. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Kanigo2]

reply again..

Because I don't want to kill my link and do more work than I have to:

Infinite Improbability Drive

Because of such problems with the infinite improbability drive, efforts were made to find an alternative. For example, since it is well known that nothing travels faster than bad news, research was done and a prototype drive system created. However, spaceships powered with bad news were soon found to be so profoundly unwelcome whenever they arrived anywhere that it really was not worth the trip........

 

[pamela]

And if you were a time traveler, what would your motivation be in going somewhere and trying to convince other people you were just that? What I am getting it is: Other than wishing for attention, what purpose does it serve to reveal to others that you are a time traveler?

<font color="blue"> What if I get bored inbetween missions? huh? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I think it would be fun and no one
would probably believe you anyway. You have to admit it would be kind of amusing to watch someone post that you are a fake and a hoax and that your science doesn't make sense as you sit beside your time machine posting online. lol[/COLOR]

If they cave in to me, then they were probably some very naieve time travelers, because anyone who was "the real thing" had better know the kind of things they should expect of people who want veridical evidence.

<font color="blue"> Hard for you to believe Rainman but they really would not have to answer to you...at all.
If I got tired of you I simply would ignore you and answer the other peoples questions.
You really wouldnt be that important to me as a traveler in the light of things.[/COLOR]

I wouldn't shed a single tear, because I live in the present. I am not a fantasy person who dreams of the future. About the only "dreaming" I do is my engineering which is involved in CREATING the future.

<font color="blue"> sorry, you dont sound very creative to me.[/COLOR]

"they want proof but then they get worried I may be sharing too much!"


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That is an arrogant statement aimed only at "true believers". It is ridiculous to think that ANY person of science would ever "worry about too much information." Silly.

<font color="blue"> Funny...You were quoting US code and national security with what Lyn was sharing. lol[/COLOR]

Lyndzee is a fraud, and perhaps she should be reported for impersonating a government employee?

<font color="blue"> ok..who are you going to report her to? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif [/COLOR]

 

[Konan]

Hey guys and gals.
I've read a majority of the pages and I can only laugh at the people believing this is a True Time Traveler.
She says she came to 2008 just to observe the 2008 Election in her first post. Would anyone spend that kind of money just to observe the presidential election, when most of the debates are already recorded for furture prefernces and most-likely documented.
I just don't see any reason to risk the chances of failure or spend the money I assume it takes to travel in time, just to observe an old Election, that she claims to know McCain wins and more already, that has nothing important to do with 2024 as I see it...

Also the Government or any other group that creates a Time Travel device, would not allow the user to go into the past and then tell ANYONE and EVERYONE at all about the future and the events to come. T.V., Internet, or even word of mouth.
The Ripple effect would be acknowledged and avoided at all costs.

She is only doing it for fun and to decieve and trick us. Entertainment.

Now I do see Power Hungry uses of TimeTravel, like going to specific dates to stop the transporation of Nuclear Warheads, or "components" from getting into the wrong hands, therefor making the future a little safer for the TimeTravele creators (Usa,Japan, Etc.).
But never to observe a 16 year old election and allow the Traveler to leak future knowledge on the internet where anyone can see.

I feel if the world lasts long enough and we make Time Travel possible, when we go into the past noone would or should know about the Traveler, and will definatly not leak future accounts, except maybe TOP secret officials, or the top scientists already working on projects for Time Travel...

But, if I'm wrong, why not bring the past the information you have from the future to start saving the world today, and making Hydrogen cars today, saving the Economy today, give the secrets to TimeTraveling today, and speeding up the technology and benefits that we will only see in the future and what we will find out for ourselves in present time...or will this cause to great of a Ripple Effect....seems if planned correctly it would only benefit us all.

 

[Konan]

Lyndzee if you are truly from the future...How about your old past self...your 16 yrs younger self. Does she exist or did she disappear from everyone who knew her, or is she zombiefied? If not so, there is 2 of you? You can have a conversation with yourself and give knowledge, thus changing you future. How is this possible?

It's very complicated to think, but there must be nanosconds of recorded time phrases. Thus letting you re-enter any previous time, and it seems you would only be able to watch as if it were T.v. I cannot see how you can go into differnt stages of life, with your old self living there in each one, thus creating 2 of the exact same human beings.

Suppose you went back in time in 2024, and visited your old self...and then again in 2025 would you see both your 2024self and 2008 self, now being 3 of you?

Seems impossible for past tobeecorded over and over again, allowing one to go back to it. The sun is 16 yrs younger also and the planets? That supernove in 2012...was formed into a star again when you went back? and then Supernovaed again when you returned to 2024?

Pls resond.

I know you like to ignore the hard ones 8)

 

[Darby]

Pamela,

Here's the full context:

Now you might respond that s/he didn't indicate that as his/her opinion, rather it's just the opinion of the majority at ITI. In so doing you'd have to accept Lyn's story as being true. But that would pose a huge problem for the John Titor Saga. Lyn's view of physical reality is 180 degrees at odds with John Titor's view. Lyn's view of the universe is strictly Newtonian with a GR twist that discounts quantum uncertainty. One universe and no Many Worlds. Titor took the position of Many Worlds and quantum uncertainty. Only one can be correct (though both could be wrong). Either you support Lyn's position that Titor is a hoax or you support Titor's position that Lyn is the hoax. You can't have it both ways while being honest about your position on John Titor.

So I'll rephrase it somewhat: If one accepts Titor's physics then, logcally, one can't also accept Lyn's physics. If one accept Lyn's physics one can't, logically, also accept Titor's physics. They are opposites. The truth table matrix looks like this:

.............Titor
........... F T
L ....F [ 1 1]
Y....T [ 1 0]
N

Logically, give each of their stories, it's possible that both stories are false, Lyn's story is true but Titor's is false, Titor's story is true but Lyn's is false but it's not possible for both stories to be true.

It's Lyn's position, or at least the position that ITI takes in her story, that it is Titor who is the hoax. When she made that statement she added no personal qualifier to the contrary.

If Lyn's story was true then that would be the correct position for her group to take. They'd invented time travel and discovered that the Many Worlds Interpretation of QM is incorrect. There wouldn't actually be any room for doubt for them with the exception that they might, most illogically, take the position that Titor was a time traveler but he was untruthful about the underlying physics, Titor's War, WWIII - basically the entire story, given Lyn's position on world history up to 2024.

Don't get we wrong, at least relative to this post. In this post I'm not saying that Titor was untruthful or that he was the hoaxer. I'm just laying out the logic.

And still wondering why in this case you didn't challenge a "time traveler" who suggested that Titor is a hoax when you've challenged every other would-be time traveler on just that point when they've proferred it over that past 8 years.

 

[pamela]

Geez Darby you are making this way too complicated. Especially if you add the fact that one or both lack complete information of time travel. Actually both could be true. Both could be false. One could be right, one could be wrong. One could lack info, one could think they know but don't.
Yet neither could have complete info on all things involving time travel. Both claimed to be in the beginning stages of time travel so you have to conclude neither really knows the whole picture of time travel.
So....both could be false, both could be true, one could be true, one could be false.

Hmmmm...wonder if John read this whole thing here? lol :D

And yet on another timeline.....OMG I won't even go there. lololol

 

[Darby]

Yet neither could have complete info on all things involving time travel.

That much is true enough. But one, the one who claims to be a scientist, a graduate of MIT, former "teacher" at MIT (scare quotes because s/he did indicate whether that meant TA, lecturer, associate professor or professor), Director of DARPA including their TT program, would know quite enough, don't you think? That's the one that says her group is of the mind that Titor is a hoax. As to Titor's knowledge or lack thereof you seem to pick and choose the times when his lack of scientific knowledge helps you in a debate and at other times lean heavily on his bountiful scientific knowledge if it helps you out. How many times have you referenced his view of MWI when supporting a pro-Titor position or countering an anti-Titor position?

So which is it? Do we follow your lead here and discount his scientific input on this subject or do we take him at his word when he said, "The Everett-Wheeler-Graham or multiple world theory is correct. All possible quantum states, events, possibilities and outcomes are real, eventual and occurring. The chances of everything happening someplace at sometime in the superverse is 100%."?

They can't both be correct.

(That's not really all that complicated, is it?)

 

[Sira]

Hi Lyndzee,

I appreciate that you take your (short) time to answer our questions! I really wonder why you would "waste your time" discussing with us...

I have these questions:

1. You mentioned that:

"The People's Republic of China relinquished its claim over Taiwan in 2014 I believe."

Well, that`s great. But what has happened in China concerning the persecution of the innocent Falun Gong practitioners?!
Did the persecution end? And if yes, when, and under which circumstances?

[In case that you don`t know about Falun Gong/Falun Dafa: that is a Qigong and meditation method, growing very popular in China in the 90ies with ca. 70-100 million practitioners. Then, because of its popularity and the jealousy about that, the former head of the state Jiang Zemin, ordered its extinction and the persecution started on July 22nd, 1999. Since then, the Falun Gong practitioners in China are heavily persecuted and tortured in labor camps all around in China. Still going on now in 2008! You find more information about the persecution here: http://www.faluninfo.net]

2. About the medical standards in 2024:
Is there any stem cell research in 2024? (Human) Cloning?
Is medicine more advanced than in 2008, are stem cells used in therapy? For example to heal a scar after heart infarction, or to grow a complete new organ?

Is medicine in general more advanced than in 2008, or only in some places/countries/cities?
Do all people on earth get the same medical treatments if they want, or is it as today: more advanced in the developed countries? And the more money, the better treatments one can buy?

Is the (medical insurance) system in Europe and US for example just as today or are there differences?

 

[My_Time]

I talk to potential time travelers with respect and decency just like they are any other human being. because frankly until they share alot of info you don't know if they are really telling the truth or not.

The trouble with this is that if the only questions being asked are who's pesident, are there hovercars, was there a WW3 etc etc then there will be no validity to the response, I could give you answers to all these questions, would you believe the answers if I qualified them with the line 'I am from the future'? (I hope not!!!)

If someone chooses to make a claim then they should be prepared to support that claim, this would include answering questions from ALL parts of the forum with equal respect.

 

[KerrTexas]

Pamela,

Any claimant posting on this site would know what they would come up against by making any claims. Anyone that creates a post here, claiming to be a time traveler, and doesn't realize what it is they will be facing, already has lost some "possibility" points.

Don't you think that a person who actually is a time traveler would do a bit of research, taking a look at what sites are available around the internet, before making their first post ?

And if said time traveler selected TTI to make their claim, don't you think that they would be aware that they would be asked some tough questions, and from whom ?

Any intelligent time traveler would be prepared, and know what was coming, and not, as you state, say " To hell with this..." and run off. They would have known up front what they were getting into, don't you think ?

If the claimant wanted to establish themselves as a "real" time traveler...they would be prepared to provide information that is clear, concise, and could be validated.

And any claimant that did do their research before making their first post, would "know" that generalities don't cut it. At least NOT for ALL of us.

If Lyndzee bothered to read through the other threads on this site before making the first post with "this" claim, then Lyndzee would have known what was coming. Lyndzee brought any response's, diplomatic or not, onto Lyndzee Grummond, not anybody else.

I think it demonstrates a lack of respect for all the members of this site ( including you ) , to make a claim and to clearly not have bothered to do a bit of research before making the claim.

So here we have Lyndzee Grummond ( chuckle )-- ( by the way, Lyndzee "Grummond", if you were inspired to use "that" name from Northrop-Grummond, it's Northrop-Grumman -- but that's ok, alot of people make that mistake ), unable to overcome specific questions, and other people are unable to recognize the shuck and jive responses from Lyndzee Grummond, just perpetuates the con.

As far as missing out on any neat-o information regarding the future, with this case, you need not worry.

It became obvious that Lyndzee turned out to be just another "one of those" claimants, yet, people keep asking Lyndzee questions regarding the future, when the inquiring mind's guesses would be just as good as Lyndzee's.

Darby posted a link to a reply from a Dr. Robert Brown.

Did you read this reply to Darby's questions ?

I have yet to read a post by anyone, especially Lyndzee Grummond ( chuckle ) that has gone through and pointed out where Dr. Brown is wrong with what he has said. I believe that Dr. Brown would love to have anyone prove him wrong.

Who cares if Darby made a mistake with regards to President Carter's age ? The point wasn't whether President Carter was over 100 years of age, or in his 90's. The point was that President Carter was in a age "range" where people within that age "range" tend not to be in the best of health. For a claimant to use that as proof they are from the future is not acceptable, and you know it.

Lyndzee made the claim to be a Co-Director of a Federal Agency...yet, I have not seen anywhere, with regards to most of the federal agencies, a Co-Director position. Because RainmanTime pointed this fact out, does not lessen the truth in the least.

If you believe that Lyndzee has bested RainmanTime, and/or Darby, then we must be reading two different threads.

Just because you don't like Rainmantime, and have a grudge against him, does not make or break any particular time travel claim ? Does it ?

And are you qualified to ask specific questions regarding the scientific aspects of any particular time travel claim ?

Back to Dr. Brown....I am still waiting to read the post(s) that actually prove's Dr. Brown wrong.

Come on, time traveler, quit beating around the bush, put up or ( you know the second part ) !

As a scientific expert , yourself, Pamela, and since Lyndzee is having trouble with Darby's request(s), maybe you'd care to take a crack at it.