Science and Religion do NOT mix!!

CAT,
You only expose your self when you talk like this about a friend. And since you took the initiative, for simply because I treated you equally like all the others. You manipulated the situation of being my friend and having an advantage of having my trust, to hurt me in front of others on this forum. And for what, because I was critical with you, my friend?

Look, I may have been critical of you, but it was nothing personal. You made it personal.

You are not exempt from the TTA telling you how it is. Though I tried telling you in a gentler way, since you are my friend, you took it as a sign of war. It was not, and it is not.

If you think I am wanting to intentionally hurt people and especially you, then you really never gotten to know me.

What can you truly say that I have done wrong?

You compare me to a dictator?

What am I dictating? The truth?

Am I wanting to divide religions and do what Clara wanted?

NO!

Am I wanting to have the earth invaded by Aliens, like Creedo?

NO!

I am just wanting to keep the thinking balanced, as I have always wanted, and inform other of the Time Travel threat. Nothing more.

It's not that the world revolves around me, or that I make who ever doesn't see eye to eye with me my enemy. As you have seen I tried making friends with Clara and Creedo
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It's just a dialogue CAT, a debate of 2 sides. What kind of place would this be if there would only be 1 sided people, 1 sided views? We wouldn't learn anything that way.

Well I gotta go, but this shouldn't have upset you. I'm sorry that it did
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, but you don't have to be so mean about it and make it personal. Geesh, what kind of friend does that make you?

-TTA
 
<<CAT, You only expose your self when you talk like this about a friend.>>

Who are you fooling? I dont fall for your scare tactics!

<<And since you took the initiative, for simply because I treated you equally like all the others.>>

It wasnt equally, IT WAS PERSONAL!!!

<<You manipulated the situation of being my friend and having an advantage of having my trust, to hurt me in front of others on this forum. And for what, because I was critical with you, my friend?>>

HAAAAA! OH THATS A NEW ONE! I MANIPULATED YOU OF BEING MY FRIEND? AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED YOU HURT ME VERY PERSONALLY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ON THE POSTS OVER A CONFIDENTIAL MATTER THAT I PUT ALL MY FAITH AND TRUST IN YOU TO KEEP CONFIDENTIAL! AND YOU BLURTED IT OUT LIKE NOTHING! BUT EVEN AFTER ALL THAT I STILL DECIDED TO GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUGHT AND OVER LOOK IT. AND THE SAME KNIFE CUTTING PERSONALITY IS SHOWING ITSELF AGAIN! FRANKLY MY FRIEND "YOU CANNOT BE TRUSTED!!!"

<<Look, I may have been critical of you, but it was nothing personal. You made it personal.>>

WRONG AGAIN! IT WAS JUST NOT CRITICAL! IT WAS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME! DONT TRY AND TWIST CRITICAL WITH PERSONAL ITS ALL PART OF YOUR DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION! YOU ARE THE CONTROLING ONE...

<<You are not exempt from the TTA telling you how it is. Though I tried telling you in a gentler way,>>

GENTLE! MY FOOT UP YOUR @SS HOW DOES THAT FEEL?

<<since you are my friend, you took it as a sign of war. It was not, and it is not.>>

OH YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST KICK SOMEBODY IN THE TEETH AND THAN GO TELL MOMMY I STARTED IT FIRST? MOMMY IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE YOU! BUT SHE SHOULD KNOW YOU BETTER SHOULDNT SHE?

<<If you think I am wanting to intentionally hurt people and especially you, then you really never gotten to know me.>>

THAT IS 100% TRUE! WHO ARE YOU?

<<What can you truly say that I have done wrong? You compare me to a dictator? What am I dictating? The truth?>>

THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT? PERSONALLY I THINK THERE IS MORE PROOF IN THE BIBLE THAN YOUR DOUBLE DIGIT THEORY! DICTATOR YES, BECAUSE YOUR ARE MANIPULATING PEOPLE TO SEE YOUR ONE SIDED VIEW!

<<It's not that the world revolves around me, or that I make who ever doesn't see eye to eye with me my enemy. As you have seen I tried making friends with Clara and Creedo.>>

I DIDNT SEE THAT YOU TRIED MAKING FRIENDS WITH CLARA OR CREEDO, DID ANYONE ELSE? AND BESIDES WHERE ARE THEY?
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It's just a dialogue CAT, a debate of 2 sides. What kind of place would this be if there would only be 1 sided people, 1 sided views? We wouldn't learn anything that way.>>

OH IS THAT SO, JUST A DEBATE? COULD HAVE FOOLED ME, MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK OTHERS ON THIS BOARD ABOUT YOUR POST JUST BEING A DEBATE? BESIDES I WAS HURT INTENTIONALLY AND PERSONALLY AND YOU DONT GIVE A DAMNED ABOUT ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT YOURSELF AND YOUR PERSONAL VANDETTA TO STOP TIME TRAVEL! WHATEVER MEANS YOU HAVE TO TAKE INCLUDING STABBING A FRIEND YOU WILL THINK NOTHING OF USING WHATEVER MEANS YOU COULD MUSTER UP, JUST TO SHUT ME UP!

<<Well I gotta go, but this shouldn't have upset you. I'm sorry that it did , but you don't have to be so mean about it and make it personal. Geesh, what kind of friend does that make you?>>

IT MAKES ME A TRUTHFULL AND HONEST FRIEND TO YOU, WHICH I SHOULDNT BE AFTER THE WAY YOU TREAT ME! I DONT PLAY THE GAME OF ASKING FORGIVENESS AFTER YOU BURNED ME ONCE BEFORE AND NOW TWICE AGAIN! THERE WONT BE A THIRD TIME!

SO KISS OFF!!!


CAT...
 
<font size="1" color="#FF0000">LAST EDITED ON 30-Aug-02 AT 04:52PM (EDT)</font>

Yes I am completely aware about the effects of music on the listener. I am very well aware that certain melodic and rhythmical phrases can have effects on ones mood, setting aside lyrical content even. It doesn't take some mystical ancient Hebrew song to acheive this!

But abusing this musical effect along with religiously themed lyrics in order to aid in convincing people giving themself to god (as what happens a lot in present day) is wrong, and this extends even to songs that have had some commercial success on the radio (e.g 'What if god was one of us?' which was a hit about 6 years ago).

But, ultimately, like they say, laughter really is the best medicine.

And this double-digit business I really don't buy. A double-digit number is just like any other number! The only reason why it is double-digits is because it is in base 10, a numerical system designed by mankind alone.

The whole workings of the universe (or god for that matter) donot revolve around the base 10 system, this is just one of many ways of interpreting numeric values! Look at computers for example: Binary is a base 2 system, hexadecimal is base 16, and ASCII is base 256.

For example, a number like 88 is actually 58 in hexadecimal. Suddenly it does not look so significant, does it? Thats because it isn't, really! (except 88 miles an hour
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No doubt they chose that speed for the movie because of the fact it is easy to remember and say because it is double-digit, not for any other cosmically divine reason!) Try this using the Windows calculator program in scientific mode and see for yourself.

-Raze
 
We may have different views about religion, but we have similar likings in music, though I must say I don't like Garbage. It's funny - Dave Mustaine, Megadeths singer, is actually a 'born-again' Christian, though a lot of people I've mentioned that to in the past could not believe it.

Actually he has always been a Christian but he sorta rebelled against it in his younger years, then in 1990 he had a drug overdose and he 'claimed' he had a near-death experience and saw hell, and that made him change his ways!

Actually this near-death-experience stuff is another topic of interest, but thats going off on yet another tangent isn't it?

As for Judgement day, the reason why it hasn't yet happened is because it never will! Not in the sense the bible portrays it as anyway. In terms of the 'end of the world', yes it just may happen, be it by war, or a major natural disaster. Earth ain't gonna last forever one way or another.

-Raze
 
CAT,
<<Who are you fooling? I dont fall for your scare tactics! >>

Now you’re being paranoid too. What tactics?

<<It wasnt equally, IT WAS PERSONAL!!!>>

What did I say to make it personal?

Was it because I asked you a challenging question in regards to your faith? I’m sorry that it offended you, but I was only wanting to clarify something. I didn’t know that you weren’t up to having it tested?

<<HAAAAA! OH THATS A NEW ONE! I MANIPULATED YOU OF BEING MY FRIEND? AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED YOU HURT ME VERY PERSONALLY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ON THE POSTS OVER A CONFIDENTIAL MATTER THAT I PUT ALL MY FAITH AND TRUST IN YOU TO KEEP CONFIDENTIAL! AND YOU BLURTED IT OUT LIKE NOTHING! BUT EVEN AFTER ALL THAT I STILL DECIDED TO GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUGHT AND OVER LOOK IT. AND THE SAME KNIFE CUTTING PERSONALITY IS SHOWING ITSELF AGAIN! FRANKLY MY FRIEND "YOU CANNOT BE TRUSTED!!!" >>

Your talking about the misunderstanding you deliberately cussed at me about?

That was a mistake, it was in no way intentional. I apologized to you, and have not since made that lapse of judgement on you again.

I’m sorry, but what more do you want from me?

<< WRONG AGAIN! IT WAS JUST NOT CRITICAL! IT WAS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME! DONT TRY AND TWIST CRITICAL WITH PERSONAL ITS ALL PART OF YOUR DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION! YOU ARE THE CONTROLING ONE... >>

CAT, why would I have any reason to attack and manipulate you, you’re my friend (well I thought you were)? I think your just upset because I was critical with you, over something that you know I might have been right about. And I think that your pride over that, is what’s truly upsetting you.

<<GENTLE! MY FOOT UP YOUR @SS HOW DOES THAT FEEL?>>

Doesn’t bother me at all, I won’t resort coming down to your level and losing my friend.

<< OH YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST KICK SOMEBODY IN THE TEETH AND THAN GO TELL MOMMY I STARTED IT FIRST? MOMMY IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE YOU! BUT SHE SHOULD KNOW YOU BETTER SHOULDNT SHE?>>

Is this really necessary CAT? I don’t speak to my friends like this, yet I am the one manipulating and making it personal?

Some Christian example you’re putting on. Your only setting a good example to atheist in judging you all as a whole. They would thank you for doing your Christian faith that you represent a favor.

<<THAT IS 100% TRUE! WHO ARE YOU?>>

I thought you knew, but obviously you never bothered to notice that I was your friend
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<<THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT? PERSONALLY I THINK THERE IS MORE PROOF IN THE BIBLE THAN YOUR DOUBLE DIGIT THEORY! DICTATOR YES, BECAUSE YOUR ARE MANIPULATING PEOPLE TO SEE YOUR ONE SIDED VIEW!>>

Fine, suit your self. It’s obvious that you’re having a very bad day, why don’t you ask me this again next week when you come to your senses?

<<I DIDNT SEE THAT YOU TRIED MAKING FRIENDS WITH CLARA OR CREEDO, DID ANYONE ELSE? AND BESIDES WHERE ARE THEY?>>

Well I thought I told you candidly that I wouldn’t mind to have them as friends. But as for admitting to it on the posts, I have multiple times. You just gotta read
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<<OH IS THAT SO, JUST A DEBATE? COULD HAVE FOOLED ME, MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK OTHERS ON THIS BOARD ABOUT YOUR POST JUST BEING A DEBATE? BESIDES I WAS HURT INTENTIONALLY AND PERSONALLY AND YOU DONT GIVE A DAMNED ABOUT ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT YOURSELF AND YOUR PERSONAL VANDETTA TO STOP TIME TRAVEL! WHATEVER MEANS YOU HAVE TO TAKE INCLUDING STABBING A FRIEND YOU WILL THINK NOTHING OF USING WHATEVER MEANS YOU COULD MUSTER UP, JUST TO SHUT ME UP!>>

If that is what you interpreted of me being just because I was critical of one little detail, then geesh you sure fooled me that you were my friend.

<< IT MAKES ME A TRUTHFULL AND HONEST FRIEND TO YOU, WHICH I SHOULDNT BE AFTER THE WAY YOU TREAT ME! I DONT PLAY THE GAME OF ASKING FORGIVENESS AFTER YOU BURNED ME ONCE BEFORE AND NOW TWICE AGAIN! THERE WONT BE A THIRD TIME!
SO KISS OFF!!! >>

I pity you. You feel that you are so much closer to knowing the truth then I am, of understanding the whole picture through the bible, feeling that your faith and spirituality are what will set you and everyone else free.

But you want to know something? This behavior of yours, it shows that it has not lead you to a higher understanding of how things are. I see neither enlightenment, nor understanding in you. All I feel coming from you knowing this “truth” is anger and pride. I may not be like you CAT or know what you know, but at the very least I will not desert a friend over something like this. I have learned from my mistakes, and now so will you.

-TTA
 
In my opinion the DD theory doesn't have enough proof right now, there's plenty of physical evidence for the Christian faith right now, but I'll have to wait until you can show me some physical proof, Till then I'm on the fence.

I am very shocked that CAT would attack you Javier, she seems like the last person to say anything bad about ya.....weird.

Tracker

P.S Javier if they make some progress and get some TT device working and it's one that's bulidible, you've got my guarantee that you've got a one way ticket to the far flung future
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P.P.S Once you've got some physical evidence, write a book!
 
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:17:01 -0000
Subject: <The W-Files> Looking for serious people
Reply to: [email protected]



I am a theology student who has dedicated her life to examining nearly every doctrine pertaining to religion and spirituality. At this time I consider myself to be an atheist, for I do not ascribe to any religion nor do I believe in the existance of paranormal activity. Despite this disposition I do feel however I owe it to myself to investigate and research any phenomena which would contradict my current point of view. Examination into the paranormal would round out my ecschatological studies and perhaps alter my current anti-theist perceptions.
Knowing this, I have entertained the thought of forming a local paranormal research group, sadly enough I am aware of no people who have the capacity to be sincere enough to complete such a task. So,I have taken the liberty of posting this little message in hopes of hearing from someone in the Waukesha/West Allis/Milwaukee area who would be willing to join heads and intiate a little group of our own. Sounds interesting? Either reply here or drop me a note at [email protected]



<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">Mr. Daniel E. Lauirer

aka: Commander Zxavier
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<font size="1" color="#FF0000">LAST EDITED ON 31-Aug-02 AT 04:55PM (EDT)</font>

Tracker,
Finally someone with reason. It shocked me too, I don’t know what I said to betray her, but I already apologized for it. What more can I do?

<<P.S Javier if they make some progress and get some TT device working and it's one that's bulidible, you've got my guarantee that you've got a one way ticket to the far flung future>>

It’s weird, all of a sudden 2 posters from this forum have taken a keen interest in me. I’d like to see what they got, even though highly unlikely
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Bytheway, it’s also interesting how you can suggest going to the future. I just woke up from a 10 hour sleep of just dreaming I was in the future. Pretty weird. Maybe I should write a book, after I take some writing classes that is. Thanks for the tip
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-TTA
 
Looking for serious people

ahhh, your letter says her and its signed mr., just curious none of my biz.
try doing a search under your key words (not yahoo) you would be surprised at the number of sites.
 
RE: Looking for serious people

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<font size="1" color="#FF0000">LAST EDITED ON 05-Sep-02 AT 09:10 AM (EDT)</font>

First of all Comander Zxavier or Mr. Daniel Laurier I would like to take you up on this Seriously, but Vistronic had a good point! it is confussing in your posting above as to how you relate to yourself as being a he/she? Not that it matters its just a question as TO YOUR SINCERETY?

Also you post:

<<I am a theology student who has dedicated her life to examining nearly every doctrine pertaining to religion and spirituality. At this time I consider myself to be an atheist, for I do not ascribe to any religion nor do I believe in the existance of paranormal activity.>>

If infact your are a theology student who has dedicated ones life to pursuing all avenues of religion and spirituality how is it that you still maintain a atheist view? This is like saying you are a priest in GD service but you dont believe in GD?

I'm confussed! can you explain yourself better?

<<Despite this disposition I do feel however I owe it to myself to investigate and research any phenomena which would contradict my current point of view. Examination into the paranormal would round out my ecschatological studies and perhaps alter my current anti-theist perceptions. Knowing this, I have entertained the thought of forming a local paranormal research group, sadly
enough I am aware of no people who have the capacity to be sincere enough to complete such a task. So,I have taken the liberty of posting this little message in hopes of hearing from someone in the Waukesha/West Allis/Milwaukee area who would be willing to join heads and intiate a little group of our own. Sounds interesting?>>

Well I could possibly be the person that could round out your eschatological views. I "could" be completely sincere about it depending apon "your" sincerety...

Time Travel/Science/Religion all life pertaining to this Earth and ALL OTHER LIFE are all conected from once SOURCE! To teach this can be quit time consuming AND YOU MUST HAVE SOME SORT OF A FEEL FOR GD! I have put little bits and pieces here on the forum but never laid the whole idea down. Only a hand full of friends that I have here have been privy to it and understand it.

I can attempt to explain this to you if you would like? But demands "your" sincerety...


CAT...
 
<font color="blue"> "Science and Religion do NOT mix!!"[/COLOR]

And what is ironic, but at the same TIME instructive, is that:

<font color="red"> Science and Spirituality are natural complements! [/COLOR]

RMT
 
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