J_K_Jizzle
Chrono Cadet
Your a drag, Creedo? Why am I not suprised?
Moving between Timelines/Realities.
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RainmanTime
Super Moderator
And here we see your largest exhibition to-date of your limited knowledge of aerospace vehicles. And this is a perfect example for why, as I tell you, you should not be criticizing the likes of people like Rutan!
Do you understand the technical differences between sub-orbital flight and orbital flight, especially as it relates to re-entry velocities? Because therein lies the simple answer to the question that (per your claim) no one understands! That was the major reason he did not need a thermal protective system as advanced as the space shuttle. Yet, there was still part of Rutan's technical wizardry that helped make even sub-orbital re-entry heating less dangerous, and that is the feathering of his control surfaces to achieve a high-drag condition. SpaceShip One never exceeded a Mach number of 3.0, which is precisely the point where severe aerodynamic heating becomes a problem. These are basic facts of supersonic aerodynamics.
Here is a nice little tutorial on exactly these facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reentry#Suborbital_flights
So now do you see how little you really understand about spacecraft dynamics?
RMT
You have GOT to be kidding, Creedo!? Any third year aerospace engineering student knows exactly why, and if s/he didn't they don't deserve to advance to their degree! The fact that you don't know why exhibits your naivete in such matters.
Do you understand the technical differences between sub-orbital flight and orbital flight, especially as it relates to re-entry velocities? Because therein lies the simple answer to the question that (per your claim) no one understands! That was the major reason he did not need a thermal protective system as advanced as the space shuttle. Yet, there was still part of Rutan's technical wizardry that helped make even sub-orbital re-entry heating less dangerous, and that is the feathering of his control surfaces to achieve a high-drag condition. SpaceShip One never exceeded a Mach number of 3.0, which is precisely the point where severe aerodynamic heating becomes a problem. These are basic facts of supersonic aerodynamics.
Here is a nice little tutorial on exactly these facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reentry#Suborbital_flights
So now do you see how little you really understand about spacecraft dynamics?
RMT
creedo299
Epochal Historian
RMT said> Do you understand the technical differences between sub-orbital flight and orbital flight, especially as it relates to re-entry velocities? Because therein lies the simple answer to the question that (per your claim) no one understands! That was the major reason he did not need a thermal protective system as advanced as the space shuttle. Yet, there was still part of Rutan's technical wizardry that helped make even sub-orbital re-entry heating less dangerous, and that is the feathering of his control surfaces to achieve a high-drag condition. SpaceShip One never exceeded a Mach number of 3.0, which is precisely the point where severe aerodynamic heating becomes a problem. These are basic facts of supersonic aerodynamics.
Creedo answers; Oh do you mean that thingy where it goes around the Earth is orbital, but the deal were it goes straight up and then in slow, is sub-orbital?
Then this is a Champaign flight and really is not meant for launching satellites?
Okay, thanks for clearing that up, any way.
I mean' all the shuttles were, was work, I guess it' now time for fun...?
Creedo answers; Oh do you mean that thingy where it goes around the Earth is orbital, but the deal were it goes straight up and then in slow, is sub-orbital?
Then this is a Champaign flight and really is not meant for launching satellites?
Okay, thanks for clearing that up, any way.
I mean' all the shuttles were, was work, I guess it' now time for fun...?
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
The requirements for the Ansari X-prize were never about launching satellites, or even achieving orbit. Only about a private venture achieving space (100 Km).
That is not the analogy that I would make at all. The shuttles (and all prior space access) was about government access to space. Now it is time to usher in public access to spaceflight.
We must crawl before we can walk before we can run,
RMT
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
You know what I think, I believe this is proof that Creedo is not as strange as he likes to make it seem, that he is actually, indeed, getting some sort of a kick out of acting like a clown and this smart-*** comment proves it.
Because if you didn't mean it to, that is the funniest thing I've ever heard ya say Creedo.
Because if you didn't mean it to, that is the funniest thing I've ever heard ya say Creedo.
Ah, well, I am not going to go back to page 2 to click on that posted link to reply about the "The Self-Conscious Universe"!
Already thought that and changed already, about all of that.
I still have page 2 of that interview to read thoroughly, though. The interview went off again as something that seems to be an inherent fault with thinking and that everyone should not think any further about the subject and just accept it. That is what I do not do!
I can not remember exactly when I thought that, but I still tend towards religion (what I learned when I was young) and exactly how long it seems to take anyone else to decide the same type of thinking. (??)
The Grand Design of the Universe is good, and supports -- more -- the possibility of changing to support life -- but does not infer that it will last forever to continually support that so-called life as consciousness, or that the Universe is specifically made to endure such life lasting.
This also goes back to that song in the '50's -- To everything -- turn, turn, turn, there is a season -- turn, turn, turn ----- which is also in The Bible, where it originated from.
I could look it up, but I have read it, perhaps it is a Psalm, but it is somewhere in The Bible.
Perhaps, it is dread or some other form it takes, but in the end, like the dinosaurs, we only have a limited time in the Grand Scheme of Design.
Hopefully that will change, because in the end, I think, humans would become lunatics if the possibility of not surviving ever changed from the what is thought of - as the possibility -- that life will go on forever.
So when anyone speaks of possibilities and the purpose of the Universe to support such life as we are, there is a gap in that kind of thinking.
Perhaps, the possibility exists that may -- make it so -- as I am reminded of a line from Star Trek, but actually in reality -- one has to admit or at least consider that the possibilities are much greater -- that humans will only be here -- for a limited time. Perhaps we can cheat this limit or due to lack of knowledge enhance our beliefs about what it is all about, but in the end, we will have emotions about that also!
Therefore since science from before goes ahead with causality due to past events, which leads up to new events and causality -- there are still going to be those limits -- even to possiblities. Therefore there is only a limited set of possibilities and that is all. Only a limited set of probabilities -- although those probabilities are enormous in scope.
I just tend not to get all wound up about it all, and still tend to believe that like anything else, there are these limits to it all!
Limits of infinity are not held by anyone, nor is the limit of zero!
That is also where I conclude that the Universe, although a nice thought about it being self-aware, really is not!
It can not be, because of those limits that every scientist seems to find.
Perhaps that is where Time enters in, for also a limit is implied also with not having all the Time one wishes. In short form, we call that death, but in long form, it may be a form of transendence, but in the end, we just do not know!
At any rate, there is still that possibility that physics takes on a new meaning at that level, one we can only imagine, if at all, and still we all end up in the twilight zone about that kind of knowledge.
Perhaps that knowledge can not be reached, only Time will tell, and the giving up secrets of the Universe taking Time -- is the self-referential reference the Universe is made up of!
It is in a slice of apple pie, and also is a basis for a Good Grand Scheme of Design -- well again, that brings up the religion that I learned when I was young.
And again, we are not the center of anything, and can not be so bold as to say that we are just here because the Universe became Self-Aware, and we were put here to Observe it, as something that is necessary.
Many other things we do not know, could also be construeded (sp) to actually be a form that can be thought of as self-aware. That possibility may not -- make it so -- though!
The WORD is given by God -- in the end -- and as such -- may even change, if God so Wills it -- we are in a sense -- leading -- but also dragged along with all of it!
That is actually the free will and choices we all must face in the future.
We also can not continue to try and change lives that other people are born with. It will result in an over-populated planet, that ever increases the problems we already have, and afterall Jesus was the Saviour, and I do not see that in my life's job description anywhere, that I have read in The Bible.
So Reality Shifting may become a major possibility again in the future!
I can submit that compassion helps, but is the possibility that helping others acheive what we assume we have for life-- really being compassionate -- again, it is just another glimpse into a different reality for those poor people, and again all of that will just take Time.
Until then, they are just causing increasing problems, and the reality of the possibilities and the probabilites dicate that there becomes a point, where humanity can not solve what is termed to be relgion in that form.
If I never knew it, then who was dumber, the person that pointed that out to me (we will help you have a better life), or the me that never knew it (hey, my life is what it is so leave it alone and do not give me this what you term -- a better reality -- for in the end, I did not know it and was not aware of it in the first place)!
That ends up with the possibility that the probability only increased tensions on this Planet, and only one decision ended up being the probability -- in time it may be solved, and also the it may not be solved -- probability -- and we all know what probably will happen in Civilization, as it has happened before --- a decrease in population due to many factors that said that again humanity was insane -- and that line of reasoning was not a real probability in the first place.
Claiming that anyone can make anything happen, is absurd!
And it all must be tied in with Laws of Physics!
Again, humanity reverts back to this -- caveman type of thinking throughout the course of history -- and again it has been recorded -- as history!
But please go on with these alternate forms of reality, for who knows, maybe a proper possibility may emerge from one of the probabilities that seem to enevelope this Universe and its' form!
Could that probability be called -- Time Travel?
A knowing of the future -- for that would be self-awareness!
Well, enough of my chatter about the -- all -- of it!
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Again a direction will be taken about it all, and that is what again Civilization has been taking -- all along --- a direction -- a path -- a future --- in a time!
Already thought that and changed already, about all of that.
I still have page 2 of that interview to read thoroughly, though. The interview went off again as something that seems to be an inherent fault with thinking and that everyone should not think any further about the subject and just accept it. That is what I do not do!
I can not remember exactly when I thought that, but I still tend towards religion (what I learned when I was young) and exactly how long it seems to take anyone else to decide the same type of thinking. (??)
The Grand Design of the Universe is good, and supports -- more -- the possibility of changing to support life -- but does not infer that it will last forever to continually support that so-called life as consciousness, or that the Universe is specifically made to endure such life lasting.
This also goes back to that song in the '50's -- To everything -- turn, turn, turn, there is a season -- turn, turn, turn ----- which is also in The Bible, where it originated from.
I could look it up, but I have read it, perhaps it is a Psalm, but it is somewhere in The Bible.
Perhaps, it is dread or some other form it takes, but in the end, like the dinosaurs, we only have a limited time in the Grand Scheme of Design.
Hopefully that will change, because in the end, I think, humans would become lunatics if the possibility of not surviving ever changed from the what is thought of - as the possibility -- that life will go on forever.
So when anyone speaks of possibilities and the purpose of the Universe to support such life as we are, there is a gap in that kind of thinking.
Perhaps, the possibility exists that may -- make it so -- as I am reminded of a line from Star Trek, but actually in reality -- one has to admit or at least consider that the possibilities are much greater -- that humans will only be here -- for a limited time. Perhaps we can cheat this limit or due to lack of knowledge enhance our beliefs about what it is all about, but in the end, we will have emotions about that also!
Therefore since science from before goes ahead with causality due to past events, which leads up to new events and causality -- there are still going to be those limits -- even to possiblities. Therefore there is only a limited set of possibilities and that is all. Only a limited set of probabilities -- although those probabilities are enormous in scope.
I just tend not to get all wound up about it all, and still tend to believe that like anything else, there are these limits to it all!
Limits of infinity are not held by anyone, nor is the limit of zero!
That is also where I conclude that the Universe, although a nice thought about it being self-aware, really is not!
It can not be, because of those limits that every scientist seems to find.
Perhaps that is where Time enters in, for also a limit is implied also with not having all the Time one wishes. In short form, we call that death, but in long form, it may be a form of transendence, but in the end, we just do not know!
At any rate, there is still that possibility that physics takes on a new meaning at that level, one we can only imagine, if at all, and still we all end up in the twilight zone about that kind of knowledge.
Perhaps that knowledge can not be reached, only Time will tell, and the giving up secrets of the Universe taking Time -- is the self-referential reference the Universe is made up of!
It is in a slice of apple pie, and also is a basis for a Good Grand Scheme of Design -- well again, that brings up the religion that I learned when I was young.
And again, we are not the center of anything, and can not be so bold as to say that we are just here because the Universe became Self-Aware, and we were put here to Observe it, as something that is necessary.
Many other things we do not know, could also be construeded (sp) to actually be a form that can be thought of as self-aware. That possibility may not -- make it so -- though!
The WORD is given by God -- in the end -- and as such -- may even change, if God so Wills it -- we are in a sense -- leading -- but also dragged along with all of it!
That is actually the free will and choices we all must face in the future.
We also can not continue to try and change lives that other people are born with. It will result in an over-populated planet, that ever increases the problems we already have, and afterall Jesus was the Saviour, and I do not see that in my life's job description anywhere, that I have read in The Bible.
So Reality Shifting may become a major possibility again in the future!
I can submit that compassion helps, but is the possibility that helping others acheive what we assume we have for life-- really being compassionate -- again, it is just another glimpse into a different reality for those poor people, and again all of that will just take Time.
Until then, they are just causing increasing problems, and the reality of the possibilities and the probabilites dicate that there becomes a point, where humanity can not solve what is termed to be relgion in that form.
If I never knew it, then who was dumber, the person that pointed that out to me (we will help you have a better life), or the me that never knew it (hey, my life is what it is so leave it alone and do not give me this what you term -- a better reality -- for in the end, I did not know it and was not aware of it in the first place)!
That ends up with the possibility that the probability only increased tensions on this Planet, and only one decision ended up being the probability -- in time it may be solved, and also the it may not be solved -- probability -- and we all know what probably will happen in Civilization, as it has happened before --- a decrease in population due to many factors that said that again humanity was insane -- and that line of reasoning was not a real probability in the first place.
Claiming that anyone can make anything happen, is absurd!
And it all must be tied in with Laws of Physics!
Again, humanity reverts back to this -- caveman type of thinking throughout the course of history -- and again it has been recorded -- as history!
But please go on with these alternate forms of reality, for who knows, maybe a proper possibility may emerge from one of the probabilities that seem to enevelope this Universe and its' form!
Could that probability be called -- Time Travel?
A knowing of the future -- for that would be self-awareness!
Well, enough of my chatter about the -- all -- of it!
/ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Again a direction will be taken about it all, and that is what again Civilization has been taking -- all along --- a direction -- a path -- a future --- in a time!
And anyway, here is a different reality -- The Art Bell C2C show again Sunday night -- (to me, Monday morning since it comes on at Midnight) Feb. 27, 2005.
Again the contention is that one person was on the radio while another person had written a new book about it all -- and in the end Roswell was real, and this other person (Doty) /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gifwas talking that he was involved in the disinformation about alien contact while working for the Government.
It seems that bits and pieces are given out over time, and there is disinformation and information given out about any of it. Whether one is a researcher into all that UFO stuff or as he (Doty) called it -- EVI -- the name given by the Government at that time (if I have that correctly -- Extraterrestrial Visitation Intercepts -- well I am guessing at that last term -- Intercepts --perhaps it is something else??) that all I could think about while listening to most of the show -- is that:
If I were a Grey, and allowed to make visits to Planet Earth -- because of the agreements reached by the Government -- in the '40's, '50's, and '60's because actually they can actually do nothing about it anyway -- meaning that the space aliens are superior and more advanced - so who can tell them -- NO -- that I must have came from a underground sort of environment that left my skin grey, and my eyeballs big - for years of evolution.
And actually that alien lived until about 1951 (from 1947 when he crashed) and that he actually did like strawberry ice-cream (which was actually true) -- since it did not have any teeth, and all of that also, along with all the disinformation that left it to be something that can not be told in one piece, along with all the rest of it, I still do not know!
Oh well!
:eek:
Again the contention is that one person was on the radio while another person had written a new book about it all -- and in the end Roswell was real, and this other person (Doty) /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gifwas talking that he was involved in the disinformation about alien contact while working for the Government.
It seems that bits and pieces are given out over time, and there is disinformation and information given out about any of it. Whether one is a researcher into all that UFO stuff or as he (Doty) called it -- EVI -- the name given by the Government at that time (if I have that correctly -- Extraterrestrial Visitation Intercepts -- well I am guessing at that last term -- Intercepts --perhaps it is something else??) that all I could think about while listening to most of the show -- is that:
If I were a Grey, and allowed to make visits to Planet Earth -- because of the agreements reached by the Government -- in the '40's, '50's, and '60's because actually they can actually do nothing about it anyway -- meaning that the space aliens are superior and more advanced - so who can tell them -- NO -- that I must have came from a underground sort of environment that left my skin grey, and my eyeballs big - for years of evolution.
And actually that alien lived until about 1951 (from 1947 when he crashed) and that he actually did like strawberry ice-cream (which was actually true) -- since it did not have any teeth, and all of that also, along with all the disinformation that left it to be something that can not be told in one piece, along with all the rest of it, I still do not know!
Oh well!
:eek:
Wait a minute! Wait just a minute! Hang loose! Hang Loose! Sit tight! Sit Tight! Hang loose! Wait a minute!
Yes, I think we are receiving a signal from SETI!
Dang!
It is from Planet Earth again, and humans!
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And always, a sense of humor needed about it all, but in the end, perhaps, it also is serious!
Sirius!
A Star in the Sky!
Yes, I think we are receiving a signal from SETI!
Dang!
It is from Planet Earth again, and humans!
/ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
And always, a sense of humor needed about it all, but in the end, perhaps, it also is serious!
Sirius!
A Star in the Sky!
Consciousness!
http://cogprints.org/2827/
http://cogprints.org/2827/01/SpinNature.pdf
There be spin here!
Spin, according to this paper, is the basis for consciousness!
:eek:
??
I am spinning a little from all of this!
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http://cogprints.org/2827/
http://cogprints.org/2827/01/SpinNature.pdf
There be spin here!
Spin, according to this paper, is the basis for consciousness!
:eek:
??
I am spinning a little from all of this!
/ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
We be noisy here!
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9812083
Self-Referential Noise and the Synthesis of Three-Dimensional Space
Authors: Reginald T. Cahill, Christopher M. Klinger (Department of Physics, Flinders University)
Comments: Figure labels corrected
Subj-class: General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology; Adaptation and Self-Organizing Systems
Journal-ref: Gen. Rel.Grav. 32:529,2000
Generalising results from Godel and Chaitin in mathematics suggests that self-referential systems contain intrinsic randomness. We argue that this is relevant to modelling the universe and show how three-dimensional space may arise from a non-geometric order-disorder model driven by self-referential noise.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/9812/9812083.pdf
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http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9812083
Self-Referential Noise and the Synthesis of Three-Dimensional Space
Authors: Reginald T. Cahill, Christopher M. Klinger (Department of Physics, Flinders University)
Comments: Figure labels corrected
Subj-class: General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology; Adaptation and Self-Organizing Systems
Journal-ref: Gen. Rel.Grav. 32:529,2000
Generalising results from Godel and Chaitin in mathematics suggests that self-referential systems contain intrinsic randomness. We argue that this is relevant to modelling the universe and show how three-dimensional space may arise from a non-geometric order-disorder model driven by self-referential noise.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/9812/9812083.pdf
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We be brained!
http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~camerer/NeurogamesGEBfinal.pdf
http://www.vordenker.de/ggphilosophy/gg_time_less_logic.pdf
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/52/18183
Now, they are getting way ahead of me!
http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~camerer/NeurogamesGEBfinal.pdf
http://www.vordenker.de/ggphilosophy/gg_time_less_logic.pdf
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/52/18183
Now, they are getting way ahead of me!
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Non-linear, self-referential brainage
quote] We be brained!
[/quote]Indeed, we be! Self-referential ones at that!
Great links oh TimeNot oh. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RMT
quote] We be brained!
[/quote]Indeed, we be! Self-referential ones at that!
RMT
Re: Non-linear, self-referential brainage
I read most of it, but even then, I think that some still think that there is something more. I had a good debate about having a self-aware universe, that was even better than all the babbling up above, but now for some reason, I can not remember it. I am that way when I got other things to think about, and get going on still another discussion. But if I remember it, I will post it.
So to me, self-aware is out because of what I thought of, and self-referential don't quite seem it either.
Well, for one thing, I really do not know. But self-aware to me implies an intelligence, and for some reason, it does not seem quite correct to say the universe is that way.
Oh, I know now, it has to do with religion, and if anyone thinks that they have a -- soul.
I am sure that it would seem correct to say that the Universe really does not have -- a soul.
So, back to the drawing board, and reading the last of last link, which seems to be about robots though anyway. I have to review all the other links from doing a search on that word -- self-referential to see what they say about programming, and some things, and get back to something I should be doing, if I ever do it, anyway!
Well, to me, it will always be something more anyway, as new knowledge makes its self known through continuing on in -- time!
Maybe the universe can be looked at many number of ways, depending on which way, anyone thought of it, that actually makes some rational sense, I guess!
Self-aware, well, to me, is kind of term, that does not quite fit, as well, as self-referential either. Maybe it is the word -- self -- in there!
I read most of it, but even then, I think that some still think that there is something more. I had a good debate about having a self-aware universe, that was even better than all the babbling up above, but now for some reason, I can not remember it. I am that way when I got other things to think about, and get going on still another discussion. But if I remember it, I will post it.
So to me, self-aware is out because of what I thought of, and self-referential don't quite seem it either.
Well, for one thing, I really do not know. But self-aware to me implies an intelligence, and for some reason, it does not seem quite correct to say the universe is that way.
Oh, I know now, it has to do with religion, and if anyone thinks that they have a -- soul.
I am sure that it would seem correct to say that the Universe really does not have -- a soul.
So, back to the drawing board, and reading the last of last link, which seems to be about robots though anyway. I have to review all the other links from doing a search on that word -- self-referential to see what they say about programming, and some things, and get back to something I should be doing, if I ever do it, anyway!
Well, to me, it will always be something more anyway, as new knowledge makes its self known through continuing on in -- time!
Maybe the universe can be looked at many number of ways, depending on which way, anyone thought of it, that actually makes some rational sense, I guess!
Self-aware, well, to me, is kind of term, that does not quite fit, as well, as self-referential either. Maybe it is the word -- self -- in there!
Re: Non-linear, self-referential brainage
I must have hit the enter key, so the post went through. Anyway, I had this dreadful thought tonight, and was thinking that maybe since the second term, we had elected a Jimmy Carter incarnation for some dreadful reason!
Oh, please, perhaps, both grow trees, and make houses after being President -- in the future!
I must have hit the enter key, so the post went through. Anyway, I had this dreadful thought tonight, and was thinking that maybe since the second term, we had elected a Jimmy Carter incarnation for some dreadful reason!
Oh, please, perhaps, both grow trees, and make houses after being President -- in the future!
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Non-linear, self-referential brainage
Perhaps there are things about our universe that we do not yet know or understand that would exhibit itself as self-awareness were we to know them. This is the claim of the mystics.
RMT
I find this a bit funny that people think this way. I think you'd have to admit it is a bit egocentric to understand and believe that you can be self-aware, but that you would not extend that wonderful benefit of prescience to the massive, interconnected universe that you are a part of.
Perhaps there are things about our universe that we do not yet know or understand that would exhibit itself as self-awareness were we to know them. This is the claim of the mystics.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Non-linear, self-referential brainage
Hello Iq: (you don't mind if I shorten your nick, do you?)
I am sure you could see how this could easily spill-over right into the topic of the "God?" thread... Just replace self-awareness with the ability to create. (and note that the ability to create arises out of self-awareness). Would you not say that since we know for a fact that we are creators embedded within our universe, that it might be logical to assume that the universe itself is a creator?
Perhaps the universe acts just as we do: We use that which is within us to change and sculpt that which is outside of us. Thus, perhaps the entire universe uses us as its own, internal, self-aware "body" of Massive SpaceTime to Create some reality beyond the boundaries of Itself?
If the entire universe IS a Creator, just as we know ourselves to be Creators, then would not a Creator at a level higher than ourselves be along the lines of the thought of a God?
Perhaps we should continue this in the other thread if you see what I am saying...
RMT
Hello Iq: (you don't mind if I shorten your nick, do you?)
Glad you agree. This is quite a juicy topic, and I think you'd agree it speaks to the "systems within systems" embedding nature of our universe. To me, the concept that if we recognize ourselves as self-aware, and we are embedded within our perceived universe, then it seems like a logical thought that there could be a high probability that the entire universe is self-aware. All it is doing is recognizing the fact at our personal level of universal reality, and extending the possibility of that fact to the next higher systemic level of our universe, as a whole.
I am sure you could see how this could easily spill-over right into the topic of the "God?" thread... Just replace self-awareness with the ability to create. (and note that the ability to create arises out of self-awareness). Would you not say that since we know for a fact that we are creators embedded within our universe, that it might be logical to assume that the universe itself is a creator?
Perhaps the universe acts just as we do: We use that which is within us to change and sculpt that which is outside of us. Thus, perhaps the entire universe uses us as its own, internal, self-aware "body" of Massive SpaceTime to Create some reality beyond the boundaries of Itself?
If the entire universe IS a Creator, just as we know ourselves to be Creators, then would not a Creator at a level higher than ourselves be along the lines of the thought of a God?
Perhaps we should continue this in the other thread if you see what I am saying...
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Non-linear, self-referential brainage
RMT
Kewl. Exactly. I couldn't have summed it up better than this!
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Non-linear, self-referential brainage
Transcendental bump! Or is that bop?
RMT
Transcendental bump! Or is that bop?
RMT
recall15
Dimensional Traveler
Is time to make a reply...
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Move into Alternate Reality by Shifting Timelines
Posted by Enoch Tan
Quantum science tells us that there is not a flat line running from the past to the future. This is the view of most people, but it is based on the old science, and is no longer true. Einstein has proven that time is not fixed, it expands and it contracts. And, time has a vertical dimension. There are many “lanes of time†running simultaneously and you can change lanes. You can begin in one lane, then change lanes to produce a different outcome than you expected in the original lane. This means there are multiple possibilities existing simultaneously in any instant, subject to our conscious and intentional choice.
We have the power to direct our awareness through this field of creative intelligence scientists call the quantum hologram. And through powerful thought we can activate another vertical strand of time, one in which we are whole and well and already healed, because we never were sick. The same applies to every area of life, relationships, finances and success. Peak performance in every area of life is already a reality, in another thread of time. We have the power to activate any scenario in life that we want.
The quantum leap to a healthier you, a more abundant you, a more attractive you, a more successful you, a more youthful you, which exists in another thread of time, is possible only if you are able to break barriers of your current thinking. Your current thinking creates a prison that traps us in this linear reality of causation. When you imagine, you tap into an alternate possibility timeline where what you are imagining exists as reality. Having the feelings of experiencing that reality puts you into vibrational harmony with the frequency of that timeline. Your visualization selects one of the possible scenarios within that timeline to merge with your present timeline.
Linear time, the idea that our past is set and future yet to come, is all an illusion. Linear time is a product of our minds, a limited interpretation of the way time actually functions. It is not time that moves past us while we watch, but our consciousness which moves through various timelines and experiences. Everything physical, in all its manifestations and possibilities, has already been created and exists as a static hologram. What has not been created yet is the world path we freely take through these possibilities, which particular experiences we choose, and what paths we take in learning a particular lesson. All probable futures have been created, but which of those futures we choose to move into is open.
Changes to fluid elements in reality does not only mean changes to present reality, but shifts in an entire timeline, past and present. You do not have to concern yourself with causality, with “going back in time†and changing key events, but rather merging an alternate timeline or dimension with your current one, which is identical to pulling all of mankind on to that alternate timeline. Whether timelines are merged into yours, or whether you and mankind are pulled into the alternate timeline makes no difference, for both are the same concept. Changing your timeline is simply a matter of moving yourself and all connected to you spatially across timelines into another.
The basis of manifesting involves using one’s mind to create or seek out an alternate timeline, an alternate possibility to the way things are now or will most likely go in short time. Present reality and that alternate reality must be made identical in order for manifested changes to materialize. You consciously grab hold of the present reality by focusing on this point in space and time, then construct or select an alternate reality by visualizing the subject of your manifestation. You empower that visualization with the feeling of presence gained from focusing upon the present reality, and then fully bind the two by seeing them as identical.
First, you must be fully conscious to manifest something, which means planting your mind firmly upon this point in space and time, becoming aware of the here and now. This channels your will and energy into the actual present reality within which you exist, rather than sloppily diffusing it across random dimensions and moments as is typical of daydreams or states of inattention. This energy will be used to bind present reality to the one you intend to manifest.
While maintaining this alertness of the present moment and location, visualize what it is you intend to manifest. This is also the state of mind you go into when you pray. This creates an alternate dimension, an assemblage of thoughtforms, a way of seeking out candidate timelines which match the intended manifestation. The best fitting timelines are automatically selected, ones that accommodate the freewill of everyone whose realities are coupled to yours.
Last, you need to merge your visualized dimension or candidate timeline with present reality. This is done by identifying both of them as being the same thing, by intending and believing that what you visualized is present reality. You use the feeling of full consciousness and awareness of the present reality to empower the visualized reality. They thus become bound together, and synchronicities arise to complete their merger. This process can be abbreviated by skipping the first step, and simply placing full focus and intent into the visualized reality. The purpose of the first step is just to get a feel for “actualityâ€.
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