I am from the year 2522
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chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
it is a valid question. you just made a joke about a squirrel committing suicide accidently because he thought it was a game. so would it be funny if someone made a joke of a human suicide?
trollface
Quantum Scribe
Oh good Lord.
If you can't see the difference between expressing admiration for a man who killed 6 million Jews, 6 million assorted other minorities and caused the death of 57 million military personel and telling a joke about a squirrel falling out of a tree, then there's honestly no hope for you.
If you can't see the difference between expressing admiration for a man who killed 6 million Jews, 6 million assorted other minorities and caused the death of 57 million military personel and telling a joke about a squirrel falling out of a tree, then there's honestly no hope for you.
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
when I was talking about hitler that wasn't a joke. besides killing jews and homosexuals he was a good leader
How can you say he was a good leader? He took his country to war, which they lost because of his military blunders more than anything else, afterwhich his country was taken over, divided, and pretty much forced to completely rebuild. Where is the good leadership there? Honestly, that could be the stupidest thing you have said yet, which is saying alot since nothing but stupidity comes from your posts. His method of leadership was through intimidation and fear, he was just a bully without much in the way of brains.
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
he was still a good leader but the only bad thing was killing the jews.
He:
united german speaking people
got everyone jobs when unemployment was high
took over most of europe
ignored the treaty of versaille which was unfair to them in the first place because they never started the first world war
started to build up the army
never lied to the german people about his policies (can you say that about your leaders now)?
made germany self sufficient.
He:
united german speaking people
got everyone jobs when unemployment was high
took over most of europe
ignored the treaty of versaille which was unfair to them in the first place because they never started the first world war
started to build up the army
never lied to the german people about his policies (can you say that about your leaders now)?
made germany self sufficient.
Please don't stop Chrono, finish you list with what I wrote. All those things he did sure lasted a long long time as well! He was such a great leader that his own colleagues and generals plotted to assasinate him multiple times. During the fall of the "thousand year Reich", many of his generals disobeyed orders due to the fact that they thought he was insane (an actual quote from a documentary I watched a while back). His legacy was a divided country for years until the Berlin wall came down.
He didn't have to, he ruled from fear, what were the people going to do anyway? vote him out? He was a dictator, they don't have to make false campaign promises. His whole coming to power was a sham, yeah, he was a real straighforward honest guy.
Here are some more of his brilliant moves:
- persecuted the jews, including scientists who left Germany and would later develop the atom bomb for the US.
- stopped bombing British factories and airfields to bomb the cities because he was upset the allies were bombing his cities, thus allowing the allies to rebuild their air force and munitions to hold off the Germans.
- attacked Russia before he was done with England, resulting in major conflicts on two fronts. Not giving his soldiers winter gear in Russia since he thought they would win before winter set in.
Yes, a true genius and magnificent leader.
He didn't have to, he ruled from fear, what were the people going to do anyway? vote him out? He was a dictator, they don't have to make false campaign promises. His whole coming to power was a sham, yeah, he was a real straighforward honest guy.
Here are some more of his brilliant moves:
- persecuted the jews, including scientists who left Germany and would later develop the atom bomb for the US.
- stopped bombing British factories and airfields to bomb the cities because he was upset the allies were bombing his cities, thus allowing the allies to rebuild their air force and munitions to hold off the Germans.
- attacked Russia before he was done with England, resulting in major conflicts on two fronts. Not giving his soldiers winter gear in Russia since he thought they would win before winter set in.
Yes, a true genius and magnificent leader.
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
"He didn't have to, he ruled from fear, what were the people going to do anyway? vote him out? He was a dictator, they don't have to make false campaign promises. His whole coming to power was a sham, yeah, he was a real straighforward honest guy"
I am talking about before he came to power.
"persecuted the jews, including scientists who left Germany and would later develop the atom bomb for the US"
I already said I was against that.
"stopped bombing British factories and airfields to bomb the cities because he was upset the allies were bombing his cities, thus allowing the allies to rebuild their air force and munitions to hold off the Germans"
it's a valid strategy. if you kill the civilans and bob them then you get them wanting to riot and maybe overthrow the government.
"attacked Russia before he was done with England, resulting in major conflicts on two fronts. Not giving his soldiers winter gear in Russia since he thought they would win before winter set in"
everyone makes mistakes
remember "the man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything"-Theodore Roosevelt
I never said he was a genius
I am talking about before he came to power.
"persecuted the jews, including scientists who left Germany and would later develop the atom bomb for the US"
I already said I was against that.
"stopped bombing British factories and airfields to bomb the cities because he was upset the allies were bombing his cities, thus allowing the allies to rebuild their air force and munitions to hold off the Germans"
it's a valid strategy. if you kill the civilans and bob them then you get them wanting to riot and maybe overthrow the government.
"attacked Russia before he was done with England, resulting in major conflicts on two fronts. Not giving his soldiers winter gear in Russia since he thought they would win before winter set in"
everyone makes mistakes
remember "the man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything"-Theodore Roosevelt
I never said he was a genius
trollface
Quantum Scribe
You know, when you say that the "only bad thing" he did was killing the Jews, you're saying that the other 63 million who died because of him don't matter. He's second only to Stalin in killing civillians (only 1 million behind, mind you), and the biggest mass-murderer of the 20th Century.
You're also fogetting that he had his soldiers and generals perscibed cocktails of drugs which affected their physical and mental health, including their abilities to reason clearly - amphetamines and methamphetamins being the most famous.
Are we forgetting the huge amounts of money that he diverted to building Valhalla in a twisted version of of Asratu? Or how about the money that he wasted on the bogus science of eugenics?
You call yourself an expert in 20th Century history and you don't even know the basic facts about Hitler?
You're also fogetting that he had his soldiers and generals perscibed cocktails of drugs which affected their physical and mental health, including their abilities to reason clearly - amphetamines and methamphetamins being the most famous.
Are we forgetting the huge amounts of money that he diverted to building Valhalla in a twisted version of of Asratu? Or how about the money that he wasted on the bogus science of eugenics?
You call yourself an expert in 20th Century history and you don't even know the basic facts about Hitler?
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
trollface-I also think killing of his own civilians was wrong.
"You're also fogetting that he had his soldiers and generals perscibed cocktails of drugs which affected their physical and mental health, including their abilities to reason clearly - amphetamines and methamphetamins being the most famous"
britain gave their men alcohol when they were about to go over the top.
"Are we forgetting the huge amounts of money that he diverted to building Valhalla in a twisted version of of Asratu? Or how about the money that he wasted on the bogus science of eugenics"
I never learned that so I don't know if it is true.
"You call yourself an expert in 20th Century history and you don't even know the basic facts about Hitler"
I just gave basic facts why I think he was a good leader.
"You're also fogetting that he had his soldiers and generals perscibed cocktails of drugs which affected their physical and mental health, including their abilities to reason clearly - amphetamines and methamphetamins being the most famous"
britain gave their men alcohol when they were about to go over the top.
"Are we forgetting the huge amounts of money that he diverted to building Valhalla in a twisted version of of Asratu? Or how about the money that he wasted on the bogus science of eugenics"
I never learned that so I don't know if it is true.
"You call yourself an expert in 20th Century history and you don't even know the basic facts about Hitler"
I just gave basic facts why I think he was a good leader.
trollface
Quantum Scribe
Alcohol when you're about to be slaughtered is slighly different to speed every day when you've got the complicated invasion of Russia to plan and co-ordiante.
You've not heard of the whacked-out mysticism that Hitler subscribed to? you've never heard of Eugenics? And yet you still claim to be an expert in the 20th century?
Good God, anyone of the age of 13 should have done that in school. It's your speciality and you've never even heard of it?
You've not heard of the whacked-out mysticism that Hitler subscribed to? you've never heard of Eugenics? And yet you still claim to be an expert in the 20th century?
Good God, anyone of the age of 13 should have done that in school. It's your speciality and you've never even heard of it?
Actually it was a foolish change in strategy and probably cost him the battle of Britain. If he would have maintained his original strategy the British would not have been able to keep replenish their war machine.
Thats the point I'm trying to make, how could be have been a good leader if he made so many mistakes, enough mistakes to have his own people think that he was insane and eventually lead to the ruin of his country. He could possibly be one of the WORST leaders of the modern era (next to Jean Chretien :D), all he seemed to do was make stupid mistakes out of arrogance.
Chrono, I think maybe you should redo some of those history classes you took, you seem to have some strange ideas.
Roel van Houten
Quantum Scribe
I suggest you get some education. Not only is it unbelievably stupid to make such a claim, it can be offensive to certain people as well.
Uhm, hello? How on earth is that a good thing?
NEWSFLASH! How do you think Hitler got so much power? In fact, I doubt if he ever told the truth to anyone. You can't seriously claim that Hitler never lied about his policies.
I'll spell it out for you: Hitler did NO GOOD to anyone.
You really need some education. I'm almost starting to think that you really are a timetraveler with no clue as to what is going on in this time.
Roel
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
trollface-do you mean eugenics as in the aryan race? if you do then I know about that
roel-I don't mean to be offensive. it is just my opinion. even my secondary school rthought he was a good man
if he took over europe then the world government might have come around quicker plus it showed he had a good army.
the leaders of that time wanted to appease hitler. that is a sign of weakness. the weak never survive.
He never lied about his policies. before he got about 40% of the vote he was making jews a scapegoat and he did say he wanted lebenstraum (living space) for the german people. he also said he hated the treaty of versaille and he hated france.
he also said that he woulds create more jobs which he did.
hitler did make germany self sufficient. I think he got his scientists to make coffee from acorns and petrol from coal.
roel-I don't mean to be offensive. it is just my opinion. even my secondary school rthought he was a good man
if he took over europe then the world government might have come around quicker plus it showed he had a good army.
the leaders of that time wanted to appease hitler. that is a sign of weakness. the weak never survive.
He never lied about his policies. before he got about 40% of the vote he was making jews a scapegoat and he did say he wanted lebenstraum (living space) for the german people. he also said he hated the treaty of versaille and he hated france.
he also said that he woulds create more jobs which he did.
hitler did make germany self sufficient. I think he got his scientists to make coffee from acorns and petrol from coal.
Sigh, Chrono, did you not read the above posts or do you just not understand them? Trying to explain something to you is like trying to talk to a brick wall. Are you so obtuse just to get a rise out of everybody?
You can talk about how he built the army and made them self sufficient all you want, but it is the end result that matters. What was the result of his term in power? what was his legacy to Germany after being it's ruler. Was it a booming economy and a golden era? No, it was a bombed out shell of a country that became divided in two. It's war torn population was forced to rebuild from rubble. They were stripped of everything. This is not the legacy of a great leader, it is the legacy of a madman so hungry for power that he sent his entire country into ruin that took decades to rise from.
If you even try to refute this and say he was "a good man" again I will know you are nothing more than an internet troll hungry for attention. I am not going to comment on this again because either you are a troll, or are just too dense to understand.
And this is NOT lying? You are walking a fine line here Chrono.
Do you know what he did to achieve this? He had his stormtroopers crash into innocent peoples houses in the middle of the night in Poland, round up the families, and ship them off in trains to other locations so that he could give the houses to German people. Families became separated and never saw one another again, all because of where they lived. Some of these people were my family Chrono, people I never had a chance to meet because of this, and you have the nerve to come on here and say that Hitler was a "good man". Tell that to the people who lost brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers because of that arrogant mans pride. I think you have truly crossed the line here, you should stick to your time travel stories.
You can talk about how he built the army and made them self sufficient all you want, but it is the end result that matters. What was the result of his term in power? what was his legacy to Germany after being it's ruler. Was it a booming economy and a golden era? No, it was a bombed out shell of a country that became divided in two. It's war torn population was forced to rebuild from rubble. They were stripped of everything. This is not the legacy of a great leader, it is the legacy of a madman so hungry for power that he sent his entire country into ruin that took decades to rise from.
If you even try to refute this and say he was "a good man" again I will know you are nothing more than an internet troll hungry for attention. I am not going to comment on this again because either you are a troll, or are just too dense to understand.
And this is NOT lying? You are walking a fine line here Chrono.
Do you know what he did to achieve this? He had his stormtroopers crash into innocent peoples houses in the middle of the night in Poland, round up the families, and ship them off in trains to other locations so that he could give the houses to German people. Families became separated and never saw one another again, all because of where they lived. Some of these people were my family Chrono, people I never had a chance to meet because of this, and you have the nerve to come on here and say that Hitler was a "good man". Tell that to the people who lost brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers because of that arrogant mans pride. I think you have truly crossed the line here, you should stick to your time travel stories.
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
"What was the result of his term in power?"
he made germany self sufficient
conquered most of europe
if he didn't kill jews then there would be no israel today.
"what was his legacy to Germany after being it's ruler. Was it a booming economy and a golden era"
yes
"I am not going to comment on this again because either you are a troll, or are just too dense to understand"
you are the one who is too dense to understand my reasoning.
"And this is NOT lying? You are walking a fine line here Chrono"
it is kind of lying but everyone still knew he hated the jews.
"Do you know what he did to achieve this? He had his stormtroopers crash into innocent peoples houses in the middle of the night in Poland, round up the families, and ship them off in trains to other locations so that he could give the houses to German people"
they should have had a stronger army then. I am sorry about your family but hitler would have never got into power if it wasn't for france and some of the other countries
keeb333-I know but hitler knew that the brits could block the channel like they did in the first world war and make germany starve so if they blockaded them again, how would they get the coffee from South and Central America?
he made germany self sufficient
conquered most of europe
if he didn't kill jews then there would be no israel today.
"what was his legacy to Germany after being it's ruler. Was it a booming economy and a golden era"
yes
"I am not going to comment on this again because either you are a troll, or are just too dense to understand"
you are the one who is too dense to understand my reasoning.
"And this is NOT lying? You are walking a fine line here Chrono"
it is kind of lying but everyone still knew he hated the jews.
"Do you know what he did to achieve this? He had his stormtroopers crash into innocent peoples houses in the middle of the night in Poland, round up the families, and ship them off in trains to other locations so that he could give the houses to German people"
they should have had a stronger army then. I am sorry about your family but hitler would have never got into power if it wasn't for france and some of the other countries
keeb333-I know but hitler knew that the brits could block the channel like they did in the first world war and make germany starve so if they blockaded them again, how would they get the coffee from South and Central America?
Darby
Epochal Historian
Chronohistorian,
It's odd that you would use that particular reference. It sanctions the act under the theory that the end was justified by the means even though the means was a gross violation of justice (to put it in that particular case rather mildly).
I say that because on another thread the concensus is that you should be banned. Your response is that you've done nothing wrong.
You are controversial and the controversy has been a disruption, for some, to the forum.
Using your own theory of "means justifying ends" banning you, even though you protest your innocence, would be a justifiable end that solves a current problem even though it may not be particularly fair to you.
Maybe Roel and Raul should consider your words, extend the situation to cover the current controversy with regards your perceived disruptive influence, and act based on your self stated analysis of the "Hitler" question., i.e. at some future date...
"The board wouldn't be so peaceful today had Roel and Raul not banned Chronohistorian yesterday."
It's odd that you would use that particular reference. It sanctions the act under the theory that the end was justified by the means even though the means was a gross violation of justice (to put it in that particular case rather mildly).
I say that because on another thread the concensus is that you should be banned. Your response is that you've done nothing wrong.
You are controversial and the controversy has been a disruption, for some, to the forum.
Using your own theory of "means justifying ends" banning you, even though you protest your innocence, would be a justifiable end that solves a current problem even though it may not be particularly fair to you.
Maybe Roel and Raul should consider your words, extend the situation to cover the current controversy with regards your perceived disruptive influence, and act based on your self stated analysis of the "Hitler" question., i.e. at some future date...
"The board wouldn't be so peaceful today had Roel and Raul not banned Chronohistorian yesterday."
Roel van Houten
Quantum Scribe
Chrono,
I find your views very disturbing.
Hitler was evil. He has done NO GOOD whatsoever.
This is not even a point of discussion. I think every reasonable thinking human being will agree.
I find your views very disturbing.
Hitler was evil. He has done NO GOOD whatsoever.
This is not even a point of discussion. I think every reasonable thinking human being will agree.
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
roel-indirectly the war helped america. without hitler there would be no war. japan might not have hit pearl harbour.
millions of people in america may never have joined the army which got america out of their economic slump.
I think hitler was an evil man but if it wasn't for people like france he would have never got into power.
millions of people in america may never have joined the army which got america out of their economic slump.
I think hitler was an evil man but if it wasn't for people like france he would have never got into power.