chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
I have never used this type of machine before and sometimes I press the wrong keys.
I am from the year 2522
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Roel van Houten
Quantum Scribe
Yay, another discussion about religion. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Of course the bible, in my opinion, is nothing more than a huge collection of contradicting fairytales made by man, centuries after the events had supposedly taken place. Which explains why the bible is so easy to misinterpret.
Roel
No, why? Give me one good reason why I should worship anything or anyone? Especially when there is no proof of its existence?
Yes, we do say that... and I have absolutely no reason to think otherwise.
Ehm, last time I checked you weren't omniscient either. Consequently, you do not know if a god exists either!
Now you got my head all messed up. How can a god that is "perfect" be jealous? Which brings me to another fact. I don't understand how someone who is said to be "perfect" could provide the people with a book that is "imperfect". Afterall, if the bible were perfect, it couldn't be misinterpreted.
Of course the bible, in my opinion, is nothing more than a huge collection of contradicting fairytales made by man, centuries after the events had supposedly taken place. Which explains why the bible is so easy to misinterpret.
Roel
creedo299
Epochal Historian
I digress from the tactics you guys are using, as I have the adage of experience in this field.
Always give the benefit of the doubt.
So you're saying that you are an atheist, Chrono?
Then your not a Satanist; that is in your time?
Okay tell me this, when you are put in the time displacement bubble, how are you suspended above the bubble event shell?
Is this because gravity is also negated and you float in this shell?
Also do you have a locator transponder within you?
If this is the case, then what is the composition of this implant.
An atheist from a Satanist era, is almost too much for me to comprehend.
It's kind of opposite Spockian, from the early Star Trek era, but I can comprehend and alternate universe and timeline.
You say you have no object motive other than gathering history from this timeline......?
Do you remember your method of travel from the future and if you do, can you share this with us?
Lent information>New York was destroyed by timeline 5000, as a result of some future war.
This was part of the said Phoenix and Rainbow time travel projects.
The Montauk boys were sent into time discover New York.
What they found, is that nothing out of the fifty foot radiused zone, was living.
Total desolation, buildings gutted and nothing left alive.
Primates or other animals such as rats and other minor mammals, not known?
Condition of Earth's central sun, also not known?
Do not research this material, however only take what I've given you.
Always give the benefit of the doubt.
So you're saying that you are an atheist, Chrono?
Then your not a Satanist; that is in your time?
Okay tell me this, when you are put in the time displacement bubble, how are you suspended above the bubble event shell?
Is this because gravity is also negated and you float in this shell?
Also do you have a locator transponder within you?
If this is the case, then what is the composition of this implant.
An atheist from a Satanist era, is almost too much for me to comprehend.
It's kind of opposite Spockian, from the early Star Trek era, but I can comprehend and alternate universe and timeline.
You say you have no object motive other than gathering history from this timeline......?
Do you remember your method of travel from the future and if you do, can you share this with us?
Lent information>New York was destroyed by timeline 5000, as a result of some future war.
This was part of the said Phoenix and Rainbow time travel projects.
The Montauk boys were sent into time discover New York.
What they found, is that nothing out of the fifty foot radiused zone, was living.
Total desolation, buildings gutted and nothing left alive.
Primates or other animals such as rats and other minor mammals, not known?
Condition of Earth's central sun, also not known?
Do not research this material, however only take what I've given you.
I think that one commandment everyone may miss is "love each other" John 15:17
Now think of what is being said. I follow the so-called morals and values that really apply to this one commandment that was said. Which I believe could be the summary of it all.
You have your own opinion. I have mine. Believe what you want to believe. What is actually the truth?
-Guy D.
Now think of what is being said. I follow the so-called morals and values that really apply to this one commandment that was said. Which I believe could be the summary of it all.
You have your own opinion. I have mine. Believe what you want to believe. What is actually the truth?
-Guy D.
searcher
haha ive had this discussion so so so so sooo many times...getting my bible to find 1000 versus to explain how jesus wasnt anti familly is a waste of my time and yours. everyone will percieve the bible in their own way. you can be as negetive about it as you like...thats up to you.
and yes i know a fair bit about athiesm...i have many friends who practice its views. surprisingly enough all of them in some way or another has eventually found god with their research at one point or another. theres no argument you can make to totally dismiss a creator or god if you will...just like theres no way to dismiss that there isnt one. once again .........faith......... you just cant make a believer a non believer.
if we were to talk face to face i guarantee you'd leave the conversation a little on the god side ahaha..ive seen it happen to many times before.
last thing.
do you honestly believe the universe and everything in it happend by complete accident/random occurence ?
that nothing spawned nothing?
haha ive had this discussion so so so so sooo many times...getting my bible to find 1000 versus to explain how jesus wasnt anti familly is a waste of my time and yours. everyone will percieve the bible in their own way. you can be as negetive about it as you like...thats up to you.
and yes i know a fair bit about athiesm...i have many friends who practice its views. surprisingly enough all of them in some way or another has eventually found god with their research at one point or another. theres no argument you can make to totally dismiss a creator or god if you will...just like theres no way to dismiss that there isnt one. once again .........faith......... you just cant make a believer a non believer.
if we were to talk face to face i guarantee you'd leave the conversation a little on the god side ahaha..ive seen it happen to many times before.
last thing.
do you honestly believe the universe and everything in it happend by complete accident/random occurence ?
that nothing spawned nothing?
creedo299
Epochal Historian
You new people do not understand the nature of this thread.
The nature of this thread is supposed to be, that a time traveler comes from the future, as records of how his time has changed from ours is not understood.
His civilization said by him, however is not run by an accepted deity, that people honor within this time.
He goes further to say, that he is not a believer of the deity that rules this time.
He appeals to find information from this time, to record for his, however is nonsecualr by his nature.
The philosophic question now rises, do you honor his request, as it is the state from where he comes from, that by his job definition, wants this information about our time or timeline?
The question here should not be morality of theosophical views; even though there is a strong motivation to quest after this equilibrium of this sort of view due to the evidence the time traveler has given us, but facility of his goal, which is the recording of history from our time.
There is no answer here, as said guest seems now not to be answering or saying anything?
The nature of this thread is supposed to be, that a time traveler comes from the future, as records of how his time has changed from ours is not understood.
His civilization said by him, however is not run by an accepted deity, that people honor within this time.
He goes further to say, that he is not a believer of the deity that rules this time.
He appeals to find information from this time, to record for his, however is nonsecualr by his nature.
The philosophic question now rises, do you honor his request, as it is the state from where he comes from, that by his job definition, wants this information about our time or timeline?
The question here should not be morality of theosophical views; even though there is a strong motivation to quest after this equilibrium of this sort of view due to the evidence the time traveler has given us, but facility of his goal, which is the recording of history from our time.
There is no answer here, as said guest seems now not to be answering or saying anything?
chronohistorian
Dimensional Traveler
I am an atheist and not a satanist.
I don't think I am suspended above the time displacement bubble.
I don't have a locator transponder with me. The people from the future search for my genetic code and beam me.
Like I said before I get beamed here using a matter transporter and beamed back the same way.
I don't think I am suspended above the time displacement bubble.
I don't have a locator transponder with me. The people from the future search for my genetic code and beam me.
Like I said before I get beamed here using a matter transporter and beamed back the same way.
I have no problem with whether there is God or not.
I have a problem with every human who tries to control God by defining God.
I have no problem with man trying to understand God by writing it all out.
I have a problem with man making a Golden Calf To Worship from those writings, just because "Moses has been gone for so long".
History forgotten repeats itself.
I have a problem with every human who tries to control God by defining God.
I have no problem with man trying to understand God by writing it all out.
I have a problem with man making a Golden Calf To Worship from those writings, just because "Moses has been gone for so long".
History forgotten repeats itself.
"haha ive had this discussion so so so so sooo many times...getting my bible to find 1000 versus to explain how jesus wasnt anti familly is a waste of my time and yours. everyone will percieve the bible in their own way. you can be as negetive about it as you like...thats up to you."
BINGO! It's up to you! If no one knows what the Bible really means and everyone interpets it in their own way, then it's useless as a guide book OR a reference book. You can't base anything upon it because there will always be Christian sects who will tell you that you are full of it.
"and yes i know a fair bit about athiesm...i have many friends who practice its views."
Its views? What viewS?
"surprisingly enough all of them in some way or another has eventually found god with their research at one point or another."
The key phrase here is "all of them". That's how I know you're lying. Is that what a good Christian does?
"theres no argument you can make to totally dismiss a creator or god if you will...just like theres no way to dismiss that there isnt one. once again .........faith......... you just cant make a believer a non believer."
You're right, there isn't. That's why you look at the claim of God and at the history of religion. Do that and then make up your own mind. Anything else is you disrespecting your own intelligence.
By the way, it has never been a atheist's job to prove that God doesn't exist. You can't prove a negative. It has been the theist's job to prove that God exists. It's been almost 2,000 years and we're still waiting.
You can't make a believer a non believer? I see it happen daily. Heck, I was a believer 5 years ago! Critical thinking shall set you free!
"if we were to talk face to face i guarantee you'd leave the conversation a little on the god side ahaha..ive seen it happen to many times before."
Don't confuse me with your gullible friends /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I've challenged my beliefs many times. I challenge them every day. I have debated with some really good Christian debaters. My beliefs haven't changed. I'm still a universist and an atheist.
"last thing.
do you honestly believe the universe and everything in it happend by complete accident/random occurence ?
that nothing spawned nothing?"
I'm happy you asked that. My answer to that is that I do not know. Science has mostly explained how the universe came about and it keeps expanding its knowledge every day.
I think that not knowing and trying to find out is infinitely better than saying that "God did it" and stopping there. I don't like answering a mystery with another mystery.
BINGO! It's up to you! If no one knows what the Bible really means and everyone interpets it in their own way, then it's useless as a guide book OR a reference book. You can't base anything upon it because there will always be Christian sects who will tell you that you are full of it.
"and yes i know a fair bit about athiesm...i have many friends who practice its views."
Its views? What viewS?
"surprisingly enough all of them in some way or another has eventually found god with their research at one point or another."
The key phrase here is "all of them". That's how I know you're lying. Is that what a good Christian does?
"theres no argument you can make to totally dismiss a creator or god if you will...just like theres no way to dismiss that there isnt one. once again .........faith......... you just cant make a believer a non believer."
You're right, there isn't. That's why you look at the claim of God and at the history of religion. Do that and then make up your own mind. Anything else is you disrespecting your own intelligence.
By the way, it has never been a atheist's job to prove that God doesn't exist. You can't prove a negative. It has been the theist's job to prove that God exists. It's been almost 2,000 years and we're still waiting.
You can't make a believer a non believer? I see it happen daily. Heck, I was a believer 5 years ago! Critical thinking shall set you free!
"if we were to talk face to face i guarantee you'd leave the conversation a little on the god side ahaha..ive seen it happen to many times before."
Don't confuse me with your gullible friends /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I've challenged my beliefs many times. I challenge them every day. I have debated with some really good Christian debaters. My beliefs haven't changed. I'm still a universist and an atheist.
"last thing.
do you honestly believe the universe and everything in it happend by complete accident/random occurence ?
that nothing spawned nothing?"
I'm happy you asked that. My answer to that is that I do not know. Science has mostly explained how the universe came about and it keeps expanding its knowledge every day.
I think that not knowing and trying to find out is infinitely better than saying that "God did it" and stopping there. I don't like answering a mystery with another mystery.
Well, from the beginning Man has already worshipped things from idols to deities. I would rather say, it's natural in everyone of us. We worship things sub-consciously. God or no God. Don't you find that you are 'worshipping' science in that sense? I never said it was bad, I never said it ruins us. It goes hand in hand with christianity but there are some qualities that I simply cannot agree on. Echoes of Enoch gives an idea on what science can be based on terms with christianity. I love science, I study it with great interest, I do not deny it at all. It's all there, empiricial facts. The only difference is I combine science with christianity to go together so it might not contradict each other. Science is good, but bad thing about being 'too based on science' is deception. What deception, you may ask? It's the deception that advancing science + New Age and eastern mysticism is infused together to create a false truth. In fact, it's already happening. Just look around your newspapers, medical prescriptions. Even though I'm christian, I believe we should be skeptical in certain things ourselves. Skeptic Dictionary
Death is a question, everyone wants answers. And what does science say about death? God chose not to reveal himself, because it's also a test of faith. Now you may say this faith is just being human, it's all in the mind, the brain works like that. Is that why you should realise everything that you read, see, hear or believe may not be true. I may not pose a good arguement here, I'm only 16 years old and maybe I do not see some facts that you understand. However, I've read my fair share of atheism.
Would you be surprised to know that Hitler is not christian at all? The Swastika sign is taken from Buddhism twisted 45 degrees to conform a sign of evil, frequently used in the occult too. The sign itself represents evil. Hitler's history itself is very dark, and I happened to chance upon a book that tells us all his dark secrets. Why did Germany fall in love with such a mad man, his insanity that is so obvious to all people with common sense. But they continually shower their faith in him, listening to his speeches in a hypnotic trance. His power surely is not by himself, but by other forces. There is also evidence that Hitler himself was adept in several forms of Eastern Mysticism and was involved in several esoteric practices. At the Nuremberg Trials, Marshal von Blomberg said this: "It was almost impossible to contradict Hitler. He swept you along with him. His personal 'magetism' was tremendous. He had an enormous (power of suggestions)" This few words here are very common in the world and is widely used in psychology today, these words are eastern mysticism practices that have been converted into the name of science. People like Mesmer (Leader of Mesmer Force), George Lucas is a known devoted follower and Coue, the guy who invented 'animal magnetism' would be in awe of this master of men and nations. Hitler's practises involves wisdom of Gurdjieff, Sufi mystics and Tibetian lamas and Zen mysticism. Did you know that he has spend countless expeditions to the north pole to uncover the Hollow Earth? He strongly believed in a Hollow Earth in order to find his 'Higher Masters' that controlled him throughout his rule. Hitler had a mentor, who is also a master occultist. His name was Dietrich Eckart. He was the high preist of the Thule Society, a secret occult group that Hitler joined before he was known to the world. Dietrich is also often labelled as the spritiual founder of National Socialism. The name Thule Geselchaft is taken from the mythical Nordic Garden of Eden in the far north (north pole supposedly) and believed that people known as the Hyperboreans. They were supposedly the ET or Gods from the occult Gnosis, or Primordial Knowledge (known as the Tree of Knowledge), enabling them to unlock universe secrets.
In Hitler's youth, he had an avid interest in the occuly and his favourite books were Germanic mythology, Eastern mysticism and especially Tibetian occultism. He also admired the works of poet Gerhart Hauptmann whose works carried the message of paganism and in Buddhist terms, often opposing traditional christianity. There is also undeniable connection between Nazism and the New Age movement/Aquarian Conspiracy. He also had several problems, especially during sleep when he would wake up in a sudden jolt and scream in terror, he was afraid of the 'higher masters' that controlled him. Based on this evidence, would you say he's a christian now? Heaven is not a place for him too, he was the almost-to-be-antichrist but he failed.
I did not lump atheist with agnostics. I know the meaning as well as my own name. Nothing to say further.
Humans need comfort. We need comfort when we sit, we stand or even when we are trapped in small holes, we still desire for comfort. God or no god for all people, the nature of order still remains the same for them. It's the belief in God that is different. Being a christian does not make me clever, adept, dexterous, smarter or heal from illnesses faster.
'Faith' in science meaning, how much you believe in science? Do you believe 100% in science, remember before relativity no one believed that relativity was possible. No one believed Nikola Tesla on his AC motor until it was proven. Science contradicts itself sometimes. Some facts may seem right when they are actually wrong, and we do not know it is right or wrong unless it works for us. For example, whiteholes are theoretically possible on paper, but it's impossible in the universe.
I have read on many many religions, secular humanism and occults. I do not consider myself well-versed in such things, but I believe I still can argue on some points here. Most christian books themselves, have sources on other occults before commenting on their 'narrow' view of christianity, so as you deem. Your mentality tells you, the bible is full of contradictions and false tales and God is not real. So when you read verses, you will misinterpret it as such and thus you would think otherwise. I have many questions on christianity too, some I find quite ridiculous. A pastor can not account for all answers on questions in the bible, he may not be wise or adept at answering these questions. I recommend you source Christian bookstores to look for books that relate to topics of questions what most people ask about Christianity, it helps. I have fallen out with christianity myself, I was even a short-term atheist like you. But only when I started source-ing and reading, it changed my views.
When I'm in trouble, I pray and I act. I do not just sit there like a duck and expect God to help me in all needs and wants. I can not comment onf the justification of the verses right now, I will do so tommorrow. Sorry, you must understand I'm still a student preparing for major exams right now and I can't possible research on everything. Try getting in touch with people who are good at Christianity Theology, aruge with them more. Maybe it would open up more ideas. I do not wish to change this to a topic fib just because we have different perspectives. I respect atheism as much as I respect Christianity. We are all just seeking answers, but in a different direction. Agreed?
Hey, Roel nice to see you again. Lol. All I can think of is if christianity is branded as false, why hasn't anyone stand up to bring it down yet? Why isn't it opposed or debunked? Well, I'm interested if anyone dares stand up to say that Christianity is false. It would be most interesting to hear their views.
God bein jealous is just in a metaphoric term. He is jealous because he loves his creation and he does not like them to pray to false idols. Its as simple as that. The bible we have now is no the original text as in centuries ago. The Bible was written under many authors, and there are actually more than 66 books in the bible. The Bible was translated into 9 languages many centuries ago, although such book translations were not famous at that time. Furthermore, the Bible has to pass a cannonial test some time in the medieval age where a group of christian leaders (at that time) came together to compile the 66 books in the bible based on its authencity etc. The final Bible, the International Version is what we commonly use today in church. Thus, the different translations and writings of the different versions may differ and as english is versatile, people who read at a glance may interpret as such. Try doing a survey on people intepretating sentences, you would be surprised that most people will give a different meaning most of the time. This events really happened and can be proven in several history texts and ancient scrolls. It is found everywhere where it happened, so what fairystale are you speaking of?
Well, I'm only too happy to reply after a tough day of school. See you guys tommorrow.
Death is a question, everyone wants answers. And what does science say about death? God chose not to reveal himself, because it's also a test of faith. Now you may say this faith is just being human, it's all in the mind, the brain works like that. Is that why you should realise everything that you read, see, hear or believe may not be true. I may not pose a good arguement here, I'm only 16 years old and maybe I do not see some facts that you understand. However, I've read my fair share of atheism.
Would you be surprised to know that Hitler is not christian at all? The Swastika sign is taken from Buddhism twisted 45 degrees to conform a sign of evil, frequently used in the occult too. The sign itself represents evil. Hitler's history itself is very dark, and I happened to chance upon a book that tells us all his dark secrets. Why did Germany fall in love with such a mad man, his insanity that is so obvious to all people with common sense. But they continually shower their faith in him, listening to his speeches in a hypnotic trance. His power surely is not by himself, but by other forces. There is also evidence that Hitler himself was adept in several forms of Eastern Mysticism and was involved in several esoteric practices. At the Nuremberg Trials, Marshal von Blomberg said this: "It was almost impossible to contradict Hitler. He swept you along with him. His personal 'magetism' was tremendous. He had an enormous (power of suggestions)" This few words here are very common in the world and is widely used in psychology today, these words are eastern mysticism practices that have been converted into the name of science. People like Mesmer (Leader of Mesmer Force), George Lucas is a known devoted follower and Coue, the guy who invented 'animal magnetism' would be in awe of this master of men and nations. Hitler's practises involves wisdom of Gurdjieff, Sufi mystics and Tibetian lamas and Zen mysticism. Did you know that he has spend countless expeditions to the north pole to uncover the Hollow Earth? He strongly believed in a Hollow Earth in order to find his 'Higher Masters' that controlled him throughout his rule. Hitler had a mentor, who is also a master occultist. His name was Dietrich Eckart. He was the high preist of the Thule Society, a secret occult group that Hitler joined before he was known to the world. Dietrich is also often labelled as the spritiual founder of National Socialism. The name Thule Geselchaft is taken from the mythical Nordic Garden of Eden in the far north (north pole supposedly) and believed that people known as the Hyperboreans. They were supposedly the ET or Gods from the occult Gnosis, or Primordial Knowledge (known as the Tree of Knowledge), enabling them to unlock universe secrets.
In Hitler's youth, he had an avid interest in the occuly and his favourite books were Germanic mythology, Eastern mysticism and especially Tibetian occultism. He also admired the works of poet Gerhart Hauptmann whose works carried the message of paganism and in Buddhist terms, often opposing traditional christianity. There is also undeniable connection between Nazism and the New Age movement/Aquarian Conspiracy. He also had several problems, especially during sleep when he would wake up in a sudden jolt and scream in terror, he was afraid of the 'higher masters' that controlled him. Based on this evidence, would you say he's a christian now? Heaven is not a place for him too, he was the almost-to-be-antichrist but he failed.
I did not lump atheist with agnostics. I know the meaning as well as my own name. Nothing to say further.
Humans need comfort. We need comfort when we sit, we stand or even when we are trapped in small holes, we still desire for comfort. God or no god for all people, the nature of order still remains the same for them. It's the belief in God that is different. Being a christian does not make me clever, adept, dexterous, smarter or heal from illnesses faster.
'Faith' in science meaning, how much you believe in science? Do you believe 100% in science, remember before relativity no one believed that relativity was possible. No one believed Nikola Tesla on his AC motor until it was proven. Science contradicts itself sometimes. Some facts may seem right when they are actually wrong, and we do not know it is right or wrong unless it works for us. For example, whiteholes are theoretically possible on paper, but it's impossible in the universe.
I have read on many many religions, secular humanism and occults. I do not consider myself well-versed in such things, but I believe I still can argue on some points here. Most christian books themselves, have sources on other occults before commenting on their 'narrow' view of christianity, so as you deem. Your mentality tells you, the bible is full of contradictions and false tales and God is not real. So when you read verses, you will misinterpret it as such and thus you would think otherwise. I have many questions on christianity too, some I find quite ridiculous. A pastor can not account for all answers on questions in the bible, he may not be wise or adept at answering these questions. I recommend you source Christian bookstores to look for books that relate to topics of questions what most people ask about Christianity, it helps. I have fallen out with christianity myself, I was even a short-term atheist like you. But only when I started source-ing and reading, it changed my views.
When I'm in trouble, I pray and I act. I do not just sit there like a duck and expect God to help me in all needs and wants. I can not comment onf the justification of the verses right now, I will do so tommorrow. Sorry, you must understand I'm still a student preparing for major exams right now and I can't possible research on everything. Try getting in touch with people who are good at Christianity Theology, aruge with them more. Maybe it would open up more ideas. I do not wish to change this to a topic fib just because we have different perspectives. I respect atheism as much as I respect Christianity. We are all just seeking answers, but in a different direction. Agreed?
Hey, Roel nice to see you again. Lol. All I can think of is if christianity is branded as false, why hasn't anyone stand up to bring it down yet? Why isn't it opposed or debunked? Well, I'm interested if anyone dares stand up to say that Christianity is false. It would be most interesting to hear their views.
God bein jealous is just in a metaphoric term. He is jealous because he loves his creation and he does not like them to pray to false idols. Its as simple as that. The bible we have now is no the original text as in centuries ago. The Bible was written under many authors, and there are actually more than 66 books in the bible. The Bible was translated into 9 languages many centuries ago, although such book translations were not famous at that time. Furthermore, the Bible has to pass a cannonial test some time in the medieval age where a group of christian leaders (at that time) came together to compile the 66 books in the bible based on its authencity etc. The final Bible, the International Version is what we commonly use today in church. Thus, the different translations and writings of the different versions may differ and as english is versatile, people who read at a glance may interpret as such. Try doing a survey on people intepretating sentences, you would be surprised that most people will give a different meaning most of the time. This events really happened and can be proven in several history texts and ancient scrolls. It is found everywhere where it happened, so what fairystale are you speaking of?
Well, I'm only too happy to reply after a tough day of school. See you guys tommorrow.
how dare you call me a liar? what the [censored]
youre starting to get on my nervs with your ignorance
i have no desire to proclaim false anything here and im not here to fight you... grow up
and set you free from what? ahahaha what are you getting on with man..think about what youre saying for christ sake.
people today..
youre starting to get on my nervs with your ignorance
i have no desire to proclaim false anything here and im not here to fight you... grow up
and set you free from what? ahahaha what are you getting on with man..think about what youre saying for christ sake.
people today..
"how dare you call me a liar? what the [censored]
youre starting to get on my nervs with your ignorance
i have no desire to proclaim false anything here and im not here to fight you... grow up"
*yawn* I like this one particular argument.
I think I know why your "atheist" friends converted, they didn't want to see you vent about how right you are.
"and set you free from what? ahahaha what are you getting on with man..think about what youre saying for christ sake."
I will ignore the fact that this didn't make sense and try to answer anyway. I am free from the influence of religion. I'm free to question anything I want. Now, you might say that you can do the same thing, but that's just because you - like many other people - make up your own religions where you take all the good from various theological sources and put a God in charge. The rest you ignore and attribute to the imperfection of men who apparently can't write the right words when God's dictating.
I'm free from this - http://www.buckcash.com/opinions/temp/Christian_Crimeline.htm
"people today.."
Alas...
youre starting to get on my nervs with your ignorance
i have no desire to proclaim false anything here and im not here to fight you... grow up"
*yawn* I like this one particular argument.
I think I know why your "atheist" friends converted, they didn't want to see you vent about how right you are.
"and set you free from what? ahahaha what are you getting on with man..think about what youre saying for christ sake."
I will ignore the fact that this didn't make sense and try to answer anyway. I am free from the influence of religion. I'm free to question anything I want. Now, you might say that you can do the same thing, but that's just because you - like many other people - make up your own religions where you take all the good from various theological sources and put a God in charge. The rest you ignore and attribute to the imperfection of men who apparently can't write the right words when God's dictating.
I'm free from this - http://www.buckcash.com/opinions/temp/Christian_Crimeline.htm
"people today.."
Alas...
I should have been more clear in the past. For that I am sorry.
I do not have any problems with religion as long as it's kept private, out of my life an out of the government. As long as people keep knocking on my door with Bibles in their hands, I will keep being an arrogant d*ck because that's just the kind of guy I am when I'm annoyed.
I believe in science as a tool. I do not believe in science like Christians believe in the Bible. Science is an always changing, self-correcting discipline. I believe that better theories will come along and if they're good and they stand the tests of machine of science, then they'll stand on top of the old ones. And, no, I wouldn't kill for gravity /ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Also, don't try to explain why God's jealous. To do that first you have to define God
I do not have any problems with religion as long as it's kept private, out of my life an out of the government. As long as people keep knocking on my door with Bibles in their hands, I will keep being an arrogant d*ck because that's just the kind of guy I am when I'm annoyed.
I believe in science as a tool. I do not believe in science like Christians believe in the Bible. Science is an always changing, self-correcting discipline. I believe that better theories will come along and if they're good and they stand the tests of machine of science, then they'll stand on top of the old ones. And, no, I wouldn't kill for gravity /ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Also, don't try to explain why God's jealous. To do that first you have to define God
christian crime line hahahahaahahahaahahahahahh
i needed a good comedy thank you
why cant you just look at the other side of the fence here? what about all the great things christianity has done for us?
our entire western civilization was based on and founded by christians. i enjoy my freedom and i enjoy that 95% of people think its wrong to steal and murder..
i enjoy that my mother is the president of the st vincent de paul for newfoundland..if you dont know what that is its an organization that feeds, cloths and helps people of all faiths or lack of out when they need help and they've got no one else to turn to. i see what good christians do every day and i enjoy being a part of that..
i cant account for every bad thing ever done by christians...all i can do is try to be a good person and live by a few simple rules god has layed down for me...i dont think thats a bad thing or is to much to ask..but thats my opinion hah
i needed a good comedy thank you
why cant you just look at the other side of the fence here? what about all the great things christianity has done for us?
our entire western civilization was based on and founded by christians. i enjoy my freedom and i enjoy that 95% of people think its wrong to steal and murder..
i enjoy that my mother is the president of the st vincent de paul for newfoundland..if you dont know what that is its an organization that feeds, cloths and helps people of all faiths or lack of out when they need help and they've got no one else to turn to. i see what good christians do every day and i enjoy being a part of that..
i cant account for every bad thing ever done by christians...all i can do is try to be a good person and live by a few simple rules god has layed down for me...i dont think thats a bad thing or is to much to ask..but thats my opinion hah
JamesAnthony
Temporal Navigator
Think I'll just add my own comment to this thread - it's actually a great way to get the thread locked!! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Anyway the comment about the Bible being anti-family was based on at least one mis-interpretted quote. Specifically Mark 10:37 which says something to the effect of not loving Jesus more than your own parents will make you unworthy of Heaven.
The passage comes from the speech whre Jesus tells his apostles to go forth, heal the sick and spread the word. He acknowledges that there will be resistance to believing in him. Conflict will exist between father and son and mother and daughter. He says that those that believe in their parents or children rather than the Jesus will not be worthy of Heaven. To me there's no anti-family sentiment intended. If someone doesn't believe in Heaven I don't exactly see what the problem is of not going there. People that argue that the Bible scares people into belief by threatening Hell for the non-believers want to have the best of both worlds. They want to belive that the word of God is false but they also want to believe in an afterlife.
Why do they feel threathened? The crazy thing is that they want to help the people converted out of fear. They feel a need to help those that they themselves perceive to be unable to see the 'falacy' in what is being taught by the dominant church.
I'm not arguing a 'pro' Christian opinion here. I am Roman Catholic and I believe. People here are Aethiest and they can believe what they want to. However, arguing for the sake of cementing your own views is not going to help anyone. If you don't believe in Heaven - don't be threatened by Hell.
Just my 5c - inflation's a b!tch!! :D
James
Anyway the comment about the Bible being anti-family was based on at least one mis-interpretted quote. Specifically Mark 10:37 which says something to the effect of not loving Jesus more than your own parents will make you unworthy of Heaven.
The passage comes from the speech whre Jesus tells his apostles to go forth, heal the sick and spread the word. He acknowledges that there will be resistance to believing in him. Conflict will exist between father and son and mother and daughter. He says that those that believe in their parents or children rather than the Jesus will not be worthy of Heaven. To me there's no anti-family sentiment intended. If someone doesn't believe in Heaven I don't exactly see what the problem is of not going there. People that argue that the Bible scares people into belief by threatening Hell for the non-believers want to have the best of both worlds. They want to belive that the word of God is false but they also want to believe in an afterlife.
Why do they feel threathened? The crazy thing is that they want to help the people converted out of fear. They feel a need to help those that they themselves perceive to be unable to see the 'falacy' in what is being taught by the dominant church.
I'm not arguing a 'pro' Christian opinion here. I am Roman Catholic and I believe. People here are Aethiest and they can believe what they want to. However, arguing for the sake of cementing your own views is not going to help anyone. If you don't believe in Heaven - don't be threatened by Hell.
Just my 5c - inflation's a b!tch!! :D
James
"christian crime line hahahahaahahahaahahahahahh
i needed a good comedy thank you"
That's neat, but do you have any disagreements?
"why cant you just look at the other side of the fence here? what about all the great things christianity has done for us?
our entire western civilization was based on and founded by christians. i enjoy my freedom and i enjoy that 95% of people think its wrong to steal and murder.."
It's IS doing positive things for us. However, those things are done for the ultimate reward, immortality. I would much rather see people help people just because we're all people.
Our civilization does have Christian root. Look at the country now tough. We don't have the 10 commandments telling us what we should do. We have a secular system of government that protects you and me. Nothing to do with religion.
If you look at Europe and especially England, you'll see that churt attendace there has fallen dramatically. Those are our roots.
"i enjoy that my mother is the president of the st vincent de paul for newfoundland..if you dont know what that is its an organization that feeds, cloths and helps people of all faiths or lack of out when they need help and they've got no one else to turn to. i see what good christians do every day and i enjoy being a part of that.."
That's admirable. And I'm sure that she even does it because she likes to help people. I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to be linked with the bloody and violent history of Christanity.
"i cant account for every bad thing ever done by christians...all i can do is try to be a good person and live by a few simple rules god has layed down for me...i dont think thats a bad thing or is to much to ask..but thats my opinion hah"
Indeed. But God has also laid down some pretty nasty rules for you. I respect you for not following all of those laws and regulations like the witches hunts, slavery, chrusades, killing the infidels ,et cetera. You're no longer even close to what the Bible says you should be. I'm sure you would lie if it would help save a life, even though in the 5th (or 6th if you're protestand) commandment it tells you not to lie, EVER.
You're living the secular life style with one exception, God belief.
It's been scientifically proven that religious experiences can be stimulated. It's all in the remporal lobe. That's why you need to believe in something greater than yourself. It's the way we evolved! Nature gave us a way to deal with the thought that we're mortal.
I believed too, but I reasoned myself out of it. If one day it turns out that I was horribly wrong and Christians were right, I'll be happy to spend an eternity in hell with all the other freethinkers.
i needed a good comedy thank you"
That's neat, but do you have any disagreements?
"why cant you just look at the other side of the fence here? what about all the great things christianity has done for us?
our entire western civilization was based on and founded by christians. i enjoy my freedom and i enjoy that 95% of people think its wrong to steal and murder.."
It's IS doing positive things for us. However, those things are done for the ultimate reward, immortality. I would much rather see people help people just because we're all people.
Our civilization does have Christian root. Look at the country now tough. We don't have the 10 commandments telling us what we should do. We have a secular system of government that protects you and me. Nothing to do with religion.
If you look at Europe and especially England, you'll see that churt attendace there has fallen dramatically. Those are our roots.
"i enjoy that my mother is the president of the st vincent de paul for newfoundland..if you dont know what that is its an organization that feeds, cloths and helps people of all faiths or lack of out when they need help and they've got no one else to turn to. i see what good christians do every day and i enjoy being a part of that.."
That's admirable. And I'm sure that she even does it because she likes to help people. I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to be linked with the bloody and violent history of Christanity.
"i cant account for every bad thing ever done by christians...all i can do is try to be a good person and live by a few simple rules god has layed down for me...i dont think thats a bad thing or is to much to ask..but thats my opinion hah"
Indeed. But God has also laid down some pretty nasty rules for you. I respect you for not following all of those laws and regulations like the witches hunts, slavery, chrusades, killing the infidels ,et cetera. You're no longer even close to what the Bible says you should be. I'm sure you would lie if it would help save a life, even though in the 5th (or 6th if you're protestand) commandment it tells you not to lie, EVER.
You're living the secular life style with one exception, God belief.
It's been scientifically proven that religious experiences can be stimulated. It's all in the remporal lobe. That's why you need to believe in something greater than yourself. It's the way we evolved! Nature gave us a way to deal with the thought that we're mortal.
I believed too, but I reasoned myself out of it. If one day it turns out that I was horribly wrong and Christians were right, I'll be happy to spend an eternity in hell with all the other freethinkers.