Hi im interested to know about the future

Sally1136

Sally1136

Temporal Novice
My name is sally im 23 years old i live in 2012. Im fasinated to know about the year 2088 - 3000. I would like to also get info on how to travel to the future. The future has better opportunites for me. What are the buildings and cars like? Whats the food and clothes like? And whats going to happen in australia? If your a time traveller within this period id love to know and will continue to seek answers.
 
Unfortunately, I believe that, even if there were time travelers here and now, they probably wouldn't show themselves. Unless, of course, it is something that they need the people of our time's help for, such as John Titor asking for the IBN 5100 (I neither deny nor accept his existence, just by the way). Getting someone from the future to take you there would be nigh impossible. Hell, you probably have a better chance of creating your own time machine and traveling to the future yourself.

Cave Ab Veritas.
 
Theoretically, you can only travel to a point in time in which the machine that you used existed. Really you can only travel as far as the Time Machine existed. Chances are time travel will not become widely available for a while.
 
How so? Let me speculate for a bit here, excuse me if it gets confusing.

So, I want to go back in time and get a copy of a book that Hitler burnt (This is just so that we don't end up getting confused with paradoxes, etc.). So, I set my time machine to send me back to the year 1920. My time machine sends me to 1920 in the exact spot I am standing in (So that we don't end up arguing about whether or not time machines can travel through time and space). I get out of my time machine, pick up my book and then return to my time machine. I get in my time machine and return home. It seems simple enough.

Perhaps you think this because a time machine cannot exist until it is created. However, if we follow the theory of World Lines, then we see that this time machine already exists in another World Line, and its existence is therefore constant in that timeline and allows the time machine to go to different World Lines, including its own past.

Cave Ab Veritas.
 
Jikan Yugami said:
How so? Let me speculate for a bit here, excuse me if it gets confusing.

So, I want to go back in time and get a copy of a book that Hitler burnt (This is just so that we don't end up getting confused with paradoxes, etc.). So, I set my time machine to send me back to the year 1920. My time machine sends me to 1920 in the exact spot I am standing in (So that we don't end up arguing about whether or not time machines can travel through time and space). I get out of my time machine, pick up my book and then return to my time machine. I get in my time machine and return home. It seems simple enough.

Perhaps you think this because a time machine cannot exist until it is created. However, if we follow the theory of World Lines, then we see that this time machine already exists in another World Line, and its existence is therefore constant in that timeline and allows the time machine to go to different World Lines, including its own past.

Cave Ab Veritas.
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O.k. So this is my opportunity to explain "Stein's Gate" to you. What you would need to do is take pictures of that book. If you take the book then Hitler would have never burned the book. You would have then lost your motivation to go back and rescue the book from being burnt.

If you needed the actual book for some reason, you would have to leave a perfect copy of the book in the original book's place. This is how Stein's Gate works. You can not disturb the book or you will erase your motivation to get the book.

You don't even need to go back in time to get pictures of the book. What you do is you go to the place where you know Hitler had the book. You use a device called a Psychometric Video Player (PVP). The PVP will amplify the memory imprinted on trees and the ground and all around of the past. You just rewind the player to the time in which Hitler had the book and was reading it. You can still photograph the pages.
 
Perhaps you think this because a time machine cannot exist until it is created. However, if we follow the theory of World Lines, then we see that this time machine already exists in another World Line, and its existence is therefore constant in that timeline and allows the time machine to go to different World Lines, including its own past.
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Jikan,

The postulate concerning time machines only being able to travel back as far as to the time of their creation is not quite correctly stated. But it is not based on metaphysics or philosophy.

Correctly stated, time machines that work on the principle of spacetime curvature where they create closed timelike curves (loops) can only travel back to the time that they were activated. They create a spacetime loop that connects to the spacetime coordinate where they were located the instant the machine was turned on.

If after they are activated they are allowed to remain running they move forward in time just like everything else. As they move forward in spacetime the loop elongates. One "end" is attached to the machine and the other is attached to the start point. You can only travel along the loop thus you can only travel as far back as the origin.

If you turn the gadget off the loop collapses and you cannot travel back to the old origin.

There are, of course, other theoretical methods of time travel and they are not all constrained by this particular postulate.

BTW: What the heck is a Psychometric Video Player? I'm well aware of what psychometrics is because Experimental Psychology was my university major. Psychometrics is simply the tests, methodologies and analytic techniques used in psychology to measure and quantify the results of experimental investigations, i.e. Chi Square, T-Test, Z Score, MMPI, etc. It is also used, for example, as part of the recruitment and hiring process in many industries including law enforcement, the military and other security branches; by various courts of law to evaluate the fitness of accused persons to stand trial, sentencing and parole; by schools to determine grade and IEP (Individualized Education Plan) placement for "troubled" students.

As much of a scientist as I am I didn't go into the psychology field after graduation. I loved the major because of the hard science (chem, bio, neuro) and experimental design aspects. But by the time I graduated I was convinced that a lot of psychology is more voodoo and PC than real science.
 
However, if we follow the theory of World Lines, then we see that this time machine already exists in another World Line, and its existence is therefore constant in that timeline and allows the time machine to go to different World Lines, including its own past.
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I'm not sure that I know what you mean by the "theory of World Lines."

The term "worldline" comes from Herman Minkowski and his work with Einstein on relativity theory. A worldline is a particle's history trace through spacetime. Every particle has its own worldline. Worldlines can terminate when, for example, a positron and electron collide, annihilate and several new photons are created - which then have individual worldlines that begin at the spacetime event where the p-e annihilation occured.
 
Darby said:
I'm not sure that I know what you mean by the "theory of World Lines."
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The word, "World-line" was most likely used to represent the presence of a universe. Multiple world-lines being the presence of separate universes. The theory is that whenever a descicive moment occurs, a universe is created to continue upon the choices you had, and the outcome of those choices. For example, if I had the oppertunity to kill Hitler, and I did, two separate universes would be created, one where I took the chance, and another where I did not. The outcomes would be a universe where Germany was not ruled by Hitler, and a universe where WW2 had taken place.
 
@John
You are following a different theory to me, which might make this a little difficult for me to explain (Though I have seen the anime Steins;Gate if that helps at all...). The idea is that I go back in time, pick up this book, and return to my own time. Except, whilst it is still my time, it is not necessarily the same World Line. This means that I have, for lack of a better term, moved into an alternate universe where, up until I came back with the copy that Hitler had intended but could never find, this book did not exist. I did, however, come back with a copy, but this copy could not exist until I could go back in time, therefore, the only way for it to come back into existence is for me to go back in time and pick it up, and, therefore, my past self will not lose motivation to pick it up because, to him, it still does not exist. It only exists in his future (i.e My present).

@Darby
Dexter pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Cave Ab Veritas
 
The word, "World-line" was most likely used to represent the presence of a universe. Multiple world-lines being the presence of separate universes.
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He's mixing terminologies from two entirely different physics theories. The Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics doesn't rely on Minkowskian "worldlines". MWI in all its permutations was originally an attempt by Hugh Everett to re-interpret quantum mechanics in terms of Einsteinian relativity. Everett wrote the paper "Relative State Formulation of Quantum Mechanics" with John Wheeler (his PhD advisor) as part of his requirement for his 1957 PhD dissertation. It is a short paper, is incomplete, makes no reference of multiple universes and he really never returned to it after receiving his PhD.

His formal university education was not even in the field of theoretical physics. His undergraduate degrees were in chemical engineering and mathematics. HIs PhD was in Mathematical Physics. He was brilliant but he was not a theoretical physicist. In fact he never became a physicist at all. He spent the remainder of his professional career with US DoD working on highly classified computer game theory. His work eventually resulted in our modern computer driven military.

It was Bryce DeWitt in the 1970's who re-worked Everett's paper and coined the term Many Worlds Interpretation. Wheeler was quite unhappy with the expansion of the original idea and did not agree with DeWitt's re-interpretation. MWI is not accepted by many physicists.

It may seem trivial to quibble over terms, but this is physics. Mixing terminologies or using them too loosely makes for vague argument. It also can indicate a vague understanding of the subject matter being commented upon. Worldlines is a Minkowskian term. MWI is a DeWitt term. Moving "worldline" into DeWitt's MWI is erroneous. Making up new terms is perfectly OK - DeWitt did. But in his paper he clearly defined the terms so that the consumer of the paper would have a clear understanding of the definition of the new terminology.

The issue becomes even murkier when we talk about MWI universes and mix in the term parallel universes - and then call them alternate worldlines. In MWI it is clearly understood that those "other" universes did not exist prior to the quantum event. It also makes clear that there is no possible way to visit those universes. Making the attempt, like any other "decision point" simply creates a new set of universes. Parallel universes is only vaguely defined (mostly in sci-fi stories) but in certain cosmologies the Big Bang can theoretically create more than one universe. But there is no spacetime link between them. Otherwise by definition they would just be two areas of a single universe seperated by spacetime, no different than any other area of a universe. With no shared spacetime there is no "highway" linking them. You can't visit them. True, there are black hole theories that suggest that their spacetimes can link up. Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" notwithstanding, traversing a Kerr-Newman black hole - and surviving - is not believed to be very probable.
 
Yes, i hear you loud and clear, i am in fact a time traveler from the year 2056.
And i am willing to answer any question that you have about my time.
 
are you a time traveller, really??? well...can you tell me then how will end the football games today 23.09.2012 that I write below :
Panathinaikos - Atromitos;
Blackpool - Huddersfield;
San Marino - Pavia;
Alania - Anzhi;
La Coruna - Sevilla;
Vallecano - Real Madrid;
Steaua Bucarest - Rapid Bucarest;
 
@Darby
Ah, thank you for clearing that up for me. I use the term "World Lines" as the idea of two or more universes that, whilst not parallel, have many different outcomes. Like Dexter said, if I had the opportunity to kill Hitler, it would split into 2 different World Lines. These are not, however, parallel, as they have the same beginning (i.e the Big Bang, as compared to, for argument's sake, the object that created the Big Bang never exploding, and, therefore, never creating our Solar System as we know it) and have a somewhat similar timeline. So, then, my idea of "World Lines" is, in fact, the Many Worlds Interpretation?

@bomberman
Oh, I'm going to have fun with this.....
Tell me, what do your records show of when the first time machine was created, by whom, what was their actual intention, where there any Beta forms in which human experiments failed, was it a single person/group who made this time machine, or was it an organisation, and, last of all, what forms of time travel are there in your time?

Cave Ab Veritas.
 
Jikan Yugami said:
@Darby
Ah, thank you for clearing that up for me. I use the term "World Lines" as the idea of two or more universes that, whilst not parallel, have many different outcomes. Like Dexter said, if I had the opportunity to kill Hitler, it would split into 2 different World Lines. These are not, however, parallel, as they have the same beginning (i.e the Big Bang, as compared to, for argument's sake, the object that created the Big Bang never exploding, and, therefore, never creating our Solar System as we know it) and have a somewhat similar timeline. So, then, my idea of "World Lines" is, in fact, the Many Worlds Interpretation?

@bomberman
Oh, I'm going to have fun with this.....
Tell me, what do your records show of when the first time machine was created, by whom, what was their actual intention, where there any Beta forms in which human experiments failed, was it a single person/group who made this time machine, or was it an organisation, and, last of all, what forms of time travel are there in your time?

Cave Ab Veritas.
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Ahh, so to hear you are a very sceptical man, but don't worry because i will do my best to
answer all of your questions.

The famous question ; by whom and how was the time machine created. Well basicly, to
answer you question, you need to know what exactly happened in the era where i am from.
In 2024, there will be an invasion of androids, created by a man called dr.Gero. Long story
short, the resistance group (against the androids, who were taking over the world), called
"the Z-fighters", wanted to create a time-machine to go back in time, and find some
kind of weakness in the androids, before they invaded earth.

This resulted in one day, the revolutionairy day for mankind, where a man succeeded in
creating a ray that can transport a human being into another dimension. The highly
respected man who created this, is called mr. Scientist X. He called the ray the "super
duper-mega ray".

I hope i answered your questions, if there is anything else you need to know about, you
can ask me !
 
@bomberman: I hope i answered your questions, if there is anything else you need to know about, you
can ask me !

Reply:
well...can you tell me then how will end the football games today 23.09.2012 that I write below :
Panathinaikos - Atromitos;
Blackpool - Huddersfield;
San Marino - Pavia;
Alania - Anzhi;
La Coruna - Sevilla;
Vallecano - Real Madrid;
Steaua Bucarest - Rapid Bucarest;
 
Tony said:
@bomberman: I hope i answered your questions, if there is anything else you need to know about, you
can ask me !

Reply:
well...can you tell me then how will end the football games today 23.09.2012 that I write below :
Panathinaikos - Atromitos;
Blackpool - Huddersfield;
San Marino - Pavia;
Alania - Anzhi;
La Coruna - Sevilla;
Vallecano - Real Madrid;
Steaua Bucarest - Rapid Bucarest;
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Why would i remember such an irrelevant thing, let alone that i am 29, meaning that
i was born around 2025...

But i am more than happy to answer questions like, when the androids came to earth,
and some minor and major events that happened around this year.
 
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