Falling Through the Cracks

If you are going to put all these restrictions and stipulations and how and what I post then I see no point in continuing.
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Restrictions and stipulations? You actually mean it is too much to ask to have you actually participate in a normal conversation, rather than just be a quote-monkey? Honestly... what you are doing is downright rude to the readers attempting to engage you.
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I shall endeavor to be less rude and I apolgize to any readers out there who were offended by my posting style. I do not wish to offend anyone.

This forum is about TIME TRAVEL and time travel is currently highly theoretical and speculative.
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And you are so lazy that you would rather just post other people's speculations, rather than burn calories of your own?
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I would rather post a reference than be accused of plagiarism.


Have fun being the thought police.
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Gee. Where did you get THAT quote from? 1984?
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Enough of the brow-beating with thought...

I also shall also endeavor to be more user friendly and even though Attila the Hun and Ghengis Khan are two of the greatest heroes of history I have a more time travel friendly avatar.
 
I borrowed a concept about parallel universe / timeline divergence from the old Titor threads. Wormhole travel should be instantaneous, no matter what the distance in three dimensional space or years in the past. By entering a wormhole the matter is converted to a Bose-Einstein condensate and is reintegrated on the other side. To travel as close to the original timeline as possible, many short jumps are required.

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Long trips via one jump, means that there will be a greater divergence from the original universe timeline, even though the one jump would be a quicker trip.

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Shorter jumps utilizing the parallel universe mirror symmetry principle allow for a close approximation of the original universe's history at the desired time destination. Going back to the dinosaurs would be a long trip due to the many short jumps and re-jumps.

It could take as long as 10 hours to travel 60 years into the past... :eek:
 
By entering a wormhole the matter is converted to a Bose-Einstein condensate and is reintegrated on the other side.
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In a hot environment, and the wormhole is a superhot environment, how is a BEC formed? A BEC is a metastable form of matter requiring an environment that is very close to 0 kelvin. The symmetry of the equilibrium would be broken by any infalling mass-energy...like the mass-energy of a time travel gadget, a few photons or the virtual particle pairs popping out of the vacuum in the electrical storm inside the wormhole.

Borrowing source material from John Titor? You're kidding us, correct?
 
Borrowing source material from John Titor? You're kidding us, correct?
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Even if he is a wanted time criminal in several parallel universes and did not fully understand the operation of his time machine, I find he had some interesting ideas.
 
It could take as long as 10 hours to travel 60 years into the past...
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What ? A time-like time trip to the past ? That is demonstrable nonsense.

It would involve the time machine ( which has to be SOMEWHERE in spacetime ) having to exist for 1/200,000 of every second between now and 60 years ago.

That would displace whatever exists at that location...over an entire 60 years. Because your time machine is hogging that location....nothing else can exist there over that whole period. Er..including the stuff that actually DID exist there. Never mind the Temporal Police.....you are in serious violation of the laws of conservation of mass/energy ! You have just wiped out 60 years worth of mass/energy at your location.
 
What ? A time-like time trip to the past ? That is demonstrable nonsense.

It would involve the time machine ( which has to be SOMEWHERE in spacetime ) having to exist for 1/200,000 of every second between now and 60 years ago.

That would displace whatever exists at that location...over an entire 60 years. Because your time machine is hogging that location....nothing else can exist there over that whole period. Er..including the stuff that actually DID exist there. Never mind the Temporal Police.....you are in serious violation of the laws of conservation of mass/energy ! You have just wiped out 60 years worth of mass/energy at your location.
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Actually the time consumed during the trip would be due to rest intervals between the virtually instantanious jumps between parallel realities. Instantaneously jump to an alternate reality, reset the machine, make another jump, reset the machine, etc. until the destination is reached. the resetting of the machine could be programmed into a computer but the rest breaks would still add up to a long trip.

http://www.earthtech.org/publications/teleportation_via_Wormhole-Stargates_Eric_Davis.pdf

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Actually the time consumed during the trip would be due to rest intervals between the virtually instantanious jumps between parallel realities. Instantaneously jump to an alternate reality, reset the machine, make another jump, reset the machine, etc. until the destination is reached. the resetting of the machine could be programmed into a computer but the rest breaks would still add up to a long trip.
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No, that totally fails to answer the issue I raised. People who avoid issues raised just leave me going zzZzZZzzz....yaaaaaaaawn.
 
That rogue time traveler calling himself John Titor has been busy, leaving descriptions of how to build time machines at different places on the internet...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/185348/thread/1167808999/last-1170646585/Time+Travel+Mechanics

The arrival date in time can be controlled. However, the distortion unit has operational limits. Imagine the path through time is through a cone. The farther away from the center of the cone, the more differences a person will see in the world line. The time travel unit begins to "break away" at about 60 years. This means the level of confidence drops rapidly after 60 years of travel and the world line divergence increases. The computer units and gravity sensors "record" a trip and a person is quite easily able to return to their point of origin.


Because the Earth is rotating, and also moving around the Sun, which is itself moving, staying in the same place while traveling through time will end up taking a time traveler to a location in outer space. So the hard part of traveling through time is not the bending of gravity but the plotting of the course and holding to the basic "position" in the environment. This is done through a system called VGL (variable gravity lock). Basically, the unit takes a reading of the local gravity and samples it during the "trip" in pulses. If the gravity is too far off, the unit stops or reverses itself to the last sample period where the readings were correct. If there is some sort of failure, the unit shuts down and drops out to where ever the time traveler may be.
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That rogue time traveler calling himself John Titor has been busy, leaving descriptions of how to build time machines at different places on the internet...
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Amazing that, to this day, "Titor" has yet to provide a scientifically satisfactory definition of "worldline divergence" or even how the scientists of his time determined it "empirically". Those are his words in quotes. If it was determined empirically, then clearly there is a mathematically theoretical basis for how it is measured, including a dimensional analysis, which I would like to see.

Pilots do not need to be aerodynamicists to understand dynamic pressure and the importance it plays in creating lift. Likewise, even though the alleged Titor was "not a physicist" he sure did feel comfortable expounding on time travel physics...right up until the time some of us asked those questions which he clearly could not answer, but which are fundamental to his story.

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Because the Earth is rotating, and also moving around the Sun, which is itself moving, staying in the same place while traveling through time will end up taking a time traveler to a location in outer space. So the hard part of traveling through time is not the bending of gravity but the plotting of the course and holding to the basic "position" in the environment. This is done through a system called VGL (variable gravity lock).
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This is hogwash.

Nobody has ever given any explanation of WHY a time machine that travels back, say 5 minutes, might end up in space....rather than do what everything else in the world does if no external force is applied, and stay in the same place. Not content with violating the conservation of mass/energy.....you now want to violate Newton's most basic law !
 
Nobody has ever given any explanation of WHY a time machine that travels back, say 5 minutes, might end up in space....rather than do what everything else in the world does if no external force is applied, and stay in the same place. Not content with violating the conservation of mass/energy.....you now want to violate Newton's most basic law !
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The earth revolves around the sun and the solar system itself is also in constant relative motion. So the same point in space that was on earth 5 minutes ago is now in the empty vacuum as the earth, moon, and other objects move on their merry way.

On the other hand the existence of time symmetry means gravity is time symmetric, conservation of energy is time symmetric, and a shielded system or gravitationally bound wormhole system / force field can exist near the surface of the earth and be gravitationally bound by it, even while time is going backwards. Time can tick on in a steady forward rate within the field as time rapidly accelerates towards the past outside of it via wormhole teleportation.
 
The Omniverse

Other people have also discovered the same theory of parallel universe travel that I have :D

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Omniverse_Agent

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The researchers would come to discover that although the probability valency of matter cannot be altered by any known means, it is possible to place matter in a state of "quantum probability flux." This causes the affected matter to become "unstuck" in the space-time continuum, shifting into another universe.

Essentially the process involves putting an object into a state of quantum flux matched to the particular quantum resonance of the other universe. The affected matter shifts out of one universe and into the other. Returning to the original universe is a matter of once again placing the object in a state of quantum flux and matching the probability valency of the original universe. This is somewhat easier, since the object's natural probability valency always matches that of the object's home universe.

The means of doing this involves using a "quantum probability vortex", a weak point in the space-time continuum where different parallel universes come in contact. It can be thought of as a kind of keyhole between different universes. Normally, a quantum vortex is extremely small, and short-lived, of little concern to anyone. However, certain high-energy interactions can cause a quantum vortex to grow and de-stabilize, creating a more volatile interface between universes. Exposure to such a vortex can place objects in a state of quantum flux, causing that object to shift between different parallel universes. This method of travel is called "quantum probability translocation."
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The earth revolves around the sun and the solar system itself is also in constant relative motion. So the same point in space that was on earth 5 minutes ago is now in the empty vacuum as the earth, moon, and other objects move on their merry way.
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No, that is nonsense. It is a major faux pas by hoaxers like Titor......who seem incapable of grasping some very simple logic and science.

If you travel back in time 5 minutes, the Earth will be where the Earth was 5 minutes ago. Why would you then end up in space ?

People make a fundamental mistake. They assume that the Earth moves to where the Earth was 5 minutes ago.....while the time machine stays where the Earth is 'now', which would be empty space from the perspective of 5 minutes ago. But that is just not true.

In an inertial reference frame, a specific 'location' is entirely defined by the movement of objects. This is why you don't fly off into space as the earth moves.......because you are inertially and gravitationally bound to it. It is why I am able to define a LOCATION called ' my house '...which remarkably remains the same 'location' as the Earth goes round the sun and the sun whizzes round the galaxy and the galaxies rush apart.

I don't need some complex gizmo to work out where the hell my house was in space and time before I left to go shopping ! Amazingly...it is still there...right where I left it !

Now...why would the same NOT apply for a time machine ??? Why would a time machine that travels back 5 minutes not be bound by the SAME inertial reference frame as the laboratory from which it travels ?????
 
Althistory? REALLY???? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Please tell me that you are NOT trying to pass this crap off as scientific and validated? I think you are smarter than this, but so far it appears your only criteria for validation amounts to "if it is on the internets, it must be true." (And yes, I made it plural for dramatic effect). /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
If you travel back in time 5 minutes, the Earth will be where the Earth was 5 minutes ago.
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That is what I said:

The existence of time symmetry means gravity is time symmetric, conservation of energy is time symmetric, and a shielded system or gravitationally bound wormhole system / force field can exist near the surface of the earth and be gravitationally bound by it, even while time is going backwards. Time can tick on in a steady forward rate within the field as time rapidly accelerates towards the past outside of it.
 
Please tell me that you are NOT trying to pass this crap off as scientific and validated? I think you are smarter than this, but so far it appears your only criteria for validation amounts to "if it is on the internets, it must be true." (And yes, I made it plural for dramatic effect).
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It is yet to be validated, of course. :D
 
That is what I said:

The existence of time symmetry means gravity is time symmetric, conservation of energy is time symmetric, and a shielded system or gravitationally bound wormhole system / force field can exist near the surface of the earth and be gravitationally bound by it, even while time is going backwards. Time can tick on in a steady forward rate within the field as time rapidly accelerates towards the past outside of it.
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No it is not what you said. Once again you state something ( i.e that the time machine would end up in space ) that you contradict elsewhere. I have come to the conclusion ( actually some time ago ) that you really haven't the faintest idea what you are ranting on about.....which is the main reason why you still obsessively feel the need to post 'quotes' that go off at such a tangent that it is clear ( if they are seriously meant to be a 'response' ) that you yourself do not understand what you are quoting.

Frankly...debating with you is a waste of time.
 
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