Herc,
So there is no reason I should take the side of “bad†outcome to the US in the Titor story as you claim. There are also terrorist attacks here by Islamic terrorists from Pakistan.
Very well, then. I would think you are also interested in stamping out the hate-filled Islamist terrorist movements. You might want to examine the connections I make between the Titor story and its potential benefits to Al Qaeda, which is why I think it makes sense to be wary of the Titor story. The story is selling the idea that a civil war would actually break out in the US... would that not be a huge benefit to Al Qaeda if it WERE to actually occur? See below for the links to 9/11 and why that also makes sense in my mind.
How do YOU VALIDATE your Government’s decisions in a positive manner while some others in your country validate it in a negative manner? What is the real motive of invading Iraq? Is it peace? Do you know for sure? Or is it WMD? Or is it OIL?
First, I would be a fool to claim that my country always made the right foreign policy decisions, or approached things that needed to be done in the "politically correct" manner. My own personal thoughts on Iraq are that we are doing something that needed to be done (get rid of Saddam). I'd admit that we trumped up the wrong "excuse" to do it. As to motives, one could name many different reasons. Certainly one could be oil, but there is another that I know of: If we are going to fight terrorists, best to do it on THEIR soil rather than on American soil. Take the fight to the enemy, don't let them take it to you. I'd bet there are those in power who guessed that what is happening there right now would happen. There are yet other reasons: Establishing a strong democracy in the Middle East. There are certainly benefits to the US and the world if Iraq can emerge as a democratic state that will not threaten its neighbors or anyone else.
Can you tell me what is the REAL motive in the Vietnam War in which many lost lives and gained nothing?
Again, I do not claim all my governments past actions were "right" or "correct" or "perfect". In fact, no one could claim that of any form of government. Has India made mistakes in its foregin policy in the past? I'd bet we could find some. And as for Vietnam, I believe it was a mistake to get involved. It was the problem of the French, and they couldn't deal with it, and they wanted our help and we gave them our help. I think it was foolish to do, and I think one reason France resents the US today is that we didn't bail them out in Vietnam the same way we did in WW I and WW II. Frankly (pun fully intended), I am sick of bailing-out France.
If you look into history, the RUSSIANS would have SUPPRESSED Afghanistan long back if not for US intervention. The so called “MONSTER†would not be there today. Why did the gulf war happen? Who is responsible for all this? Russia?
Here is an area where I believe the pressure against Russia in Afghanistan was the correct policy for the USA. I do not believe that decision was incorrect. The decision where I believe the US administration (of Ronald Reagan and George Bush I) made a mistake was in "bailing out" of Afghanistan just as soon as Russia gave up and left. We did not persist to ensure that a democracy was established. We allowed the Taliban to dominate and for Al Qaeda to be born. THAT was a mistake, and I am not ashamed to admit it.
But we must deal with the situation from the present, from today. How? Well, since you are from India I'd like to hear your thoughts on this idea: If there was some way that India and Pakistan could settle the Kashmir problem equitably, and form a strong PEACE between your two governments, I think that such a truce between your countries would spell the death nail for the Islamist terrorists who operate freely in many areas of northern Pakistan. Wouldn't that be a great thing to eradicate from that area? Wouldn't your country have a better situation....PEACE!?
I just like to hear your comments about these issues
I hope I answered all your questions. I do not think I overlooked anything there. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
After 2004 nothing happened. Then I concluded it is a HOAX but was breaking my head why would a person invest a lot of time (years maybe) and effort in making this hoax? (snip) That made me realize the ones who were benefited from his story are not the hoaxers.
I disagree. I think there is a clear motive visible in the Titor story, especially in the part of the story which predicts a Civil War. As I have said, and asked you, do you not think that a US Civil War would be exactly the kind of think Al Qaeda would LOVE to have happen? Hmmmm? Al Qaeda and its leaders are not imbeciles, nor your Yasser Arafat style uneducated terrorists. They are sly and cunning. They are not ONLY out to kill innocent people. They are out to bring down America. And they mistakenly thought they could bring down our economy at the same time they brought down the World Trade Center towers. To me, it makes perfect sense that they would craft the John Titor story, and predict a US Civil War, if they thought they could further damage the US Economy by doing so. I am surprised you do not see this obvious motive.
Now that explained my intensions on Titor. STILL you accuse me, I don’t know what to say.
I do not accuse, I have simply asked you pointed questions. I have wanted to know why it is you seem to favor the "Titor was real" view rather than the "Titor was bogus" view. And for the record, I am not buying the Yellowstone "fit". It is a stretch to me, and it follows the exact same path of supposition about what Titor said that I accuse CigMan of following. You are putting your own interpretation on what he said, and what he said was vague, and it could apply to virtually ANYTHING if you forced the fit. I think your and MEM's "fit" of the Titor story to Yellowstone is a forced-fit.
You NEED NOT underestimate anyone. What I said was EVEN WITHOUT the John Titor’s gloom and doom predictions, a 9/11 WAS POSSIBLE. If it is possible, why would they invest time in this “TEMPORAL SCIENCE†and “TIME TRAVELING†projects? Sounds vague to me.
Of course 9/11 was possible without the Titor story. But if a group of smart people like the criminals of Al Qaeda were planning an attack on America, do you really think they are ONLY going to plan a single-pronged attack? If so, that would be some pretty poor military (or militant might be a better word) planning. If someone was planning a large-scale physical attack on America, to occur on 9/11, I would expect that they had other covert operations going on prior to that, and in parallel to that. And anyone in any kind of intelligence agency would probably specifically be looking for a PsyOp. And I think The John Titor Experiment fits the bill of a PsyOp intended to try to weaken America during the year prior to the 9/11 attack.
As to why they would use Time Travel...that is so simple as to be laughable. Because if you spin the yarn well (as the people behind Titor did), it provides the PERFECT "cover" for such a PsyOp. You could never PROVE that Titor was real or whether he was fake... that "infinite worldlines" thing always gets in the way. That, and the obvious vague nature of all of Titor's "predictions". It seems to be a perfect fit for a terrorist PsyOp prior to 9/11 if you ask me.
And finally, I will close with another LARGE piece of circumstantial evidence for why I believe The John Titor Experiment was a PsyOp by Al Qaeda against the USA. The Titor story was spun in Florida, and it deals with Florida. Florida is where many of the terrorists of 9/11 lived during their "sleeper" phase of their operation. Coincidence????? Maybe... or maybe not!
RMT