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Darby

That much goes without saying. If Albert Einstein said, "Blue" withought stopping to think you'd feel a compulsory urge to say, "Red."
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A wise and cautious reply. Perhaps you couldn't follow the visualization. You wisely didn't state whether or not you dispute all the data astronomers have been gathering for decades. But apparently RMT doesn't have a problem jumping into the frying pan.

RMT

How would you like this little roast to go? Any preferred seasonings? Oops! Another duck and cover! And just after you got me to apologize to you too. It seems the math instructor doesn't want to engage in a little mathematical discussion. Hmmmm? I wonder why? Did I pick a topic too hard? It is starting to appear so. Or maybe there is another reason. Could it be that your disdain for visualization is really masking something else. Like maybe an inability to comprehend math? That would be a logical conclusion based on your behavior.

Of course I've overlooked the obvious. You've been drinking again and are completely oblivious to anything you may have posted today. I have noticed how your posts do seem to change. Maybe in a more sober state of mind you may decide to use the edit function again. And please feel free to ask for another apology. It's like an admission that I got your goat. LOL.....
 
heres a thought: i was watching an experiment on youtube the other day and it said that time slows down for people in life threatening experiences. they proved it by dropping a person from a high place, then they were told to try to read a flashing number while falling. it was impossible to read normally, but when they fell, they read it.

another test was with mice. 2 mice were trained to hit a lever at excactly 12 seconds and they would get a food pellet. then one mouse was given marijuana and the other was given cocaine. the mouse on marijuana took about 15 seconds. the mouse on cocaine hit it in 6.

now, the question is, is this proof in favor of einstein? or is this only perception? if its only perception, how did he answer correctly about the flashing number?

i'll try to find a link for the video. in the meantime, heres another 'lil time-warp that always discomboberates me. :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KmCfvcfHwKA

DISCLAIMER: if you watch this video and turn into a giant pile of goo, i didnt do it!!!
 
ruthless

heres a thought: i was watching an experiment on youtube the other day and it said that time slows down for people in life threatening experiences. they proved it by dropping a person from a high place, then they were told to try to read a flashing number while falling. it was impossible to read normally, but when they fell, they read it.
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I've experienced this time slowing phenomena twice. I think some people actually learn to control it. Remember the movie Matrix? Anyway the first time I was spinning out of control on the freeway on a wet road with bald tires at 70 miles per hour. My whole life flashed before my eyes in the course of not more than 2 seconds. At the end of that flash, I remember thinking I hadn't invented the antigravity drive yet. I was convinced this was it. The end of the road. But I was spared. Got control of the car and pulled off the road. Shaking like a leaf for 20 minutes afterwards.

The next time it happened to me was at a pedestrian crosswalk. I stopped for the red light to wait for two little kids to cross the road. In the rear view mirror a car was approaching kind of fast. When it became apparent that this car was not going to slow down, the time slowing phenomena happened again to me. I made the decision to hit the accelerator. But my body would not move as fast as I needed it to act. It was like everything was in slow motion and I was trapped unable to free myself from this predicament. I finally got my foot on the accelerator, pedal to the metal. The tires lit up. The two little kids jumped back off the road. BAM! This was it. I thought I was done for again. The car that hit me knocked my car a block down the road. I remember thinking too when my tires lit up, comeon, move move move, but the car just stood still like time was frozen.

These are pretty exciting experiences when they happen. But just think, the law of averages would say that 50% of the time, your time is up.
 
"I think some people actually learn to control it."

and that is the reason i find it hard to trust people in life threatening situations.
 
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Einstein,

Of course I've overlooked the obvious. You've been drinking again and are completely oblivious to anything you may have posted today.
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Well gosh golly jeepers Aunt Bee...guess you "caught" me. Yes, indeed, I do enjoy pounding some brews on FRI and SAT evenings when friends come over to play pool. I didn't know this was a "sin". And to insinuate that I do not know exactly what I posted, well that is a bit ludicrous.

As for your other comments, well, I will just let the long list of questions I have asked you in this thread to stand as testament to your own tendency to run away from the hard questions. If you go back and look, you will see there are quite a few direct questions I asked you that you ignored. We can start with this one:

<font color="red"> How do you plan to scientifically falsify existing (proven) theory if you believe they got it wrong and you have it right? [/COLOR]

RMT
 
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"Well gosh golly jeepers Aunt Bee...guess you "caught" me."

dont make andy griffith jokes!!! what are ya trying to do? unravel the whole dammed universe?!?!

:eek:
 
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dont make andy griffith jokes!!! what are ya trying to do? unravel the whole dammed universe?!?!
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I thought that was the whole purpose of the Big Bang... unless I missed something!


Darn... and I haven't used my Floyd the barber jokes in a LONG time! Ah, uh, oooooohhhh! I was SOOOO looking forward to that, Andy! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
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being from mississippi, ive watched every episode of the andy griffith show at least a dozen times. funny thing is, it still comes on! :eek:

if you put floyd and gomer in a room with me, time travel wouldve been created long ago. i guarantee it!!!
 
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RMT

As for your other comments, well, I will just let the long list of questions I have asked you in this thread to stand as testament to your own tendency to run away from the hard questions. If you go back and look, you will see there are quite a few direct questions I asked you that you ignored. We can start with this one:

How do you plan to scientifically falsify existing (proven) theory if you believe they got it wrong and you have it right?
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One step forward and two steps back seems to be the correct path to follow. Of course making a working time machine would tend to suggest one is on the right track. Just follow the trail of mass. The lorentz force increases an objects inertia in a manner very similar to an applied torque on a gyroscope. In both situations there is a triad of force at work. In both situations motion in spacetime is present. It's like a jigsaw puzzle and I see the pattern.

So here is one for you. "Gravity doesn't act on mass"

Also I suspect there is a third type of mass in another type of force triad arrangement using nuclear force.

Of course I now realize it's useless to carry on a scientific discussion with a man under the influence. Just how you manage to post without being connected to your brain beats the hell out of me. At least you can claim you aren't liable for your actions.

I'll just try to be more cognizant of whether Dr. Jekyl or Mr. Hyde is posting.
 
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So here is one for you. "Gravity doesn't act on mass"
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<font color="red"> [golf clap]. [/COLOR] Did I ever say it did? Gravity warps spacetime.

Of course I now realize it's useless to carry on a scientific discussion with a man under the influence. Just how you manage to post without being connected to your brain beats the hell out of me. At least you can claim you aren't liable for your actions.

I'll just try to be more cognizant of whether Dr. Jekyl or Mr. Hyde is posting.
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Someday (hopefully before you kick the bucket) you will convince yourself that you have stumbled upon something new and paradigm-changing. Much like Lenz's Law, you will have been unaware that it actually has been quantified, and there will still exist the solid mathematical description that does quantify it. The only question that will remain at that time is:

<font color="red"> Will you accept the math and finally learn tensor calculus, or will you continue to tell people that the math is wrong (without ever being able to explain or show them why it is wrong!)? [/COLOR]

I think I know the answer, but I don't make predictions of the future based on personal free will!


RMT
 
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RMT

Will you accept the math and finally learn tensor calculus, or will you continue to tell people that the math is wrong (without ever being able to explain or show them why it is wrong!)?
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Here is my answer: Why do you continue to promulgate this lie you made up about me?
 
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RMT:

Will you accept the math and finally learn tensor calculus, or will you continue to tell people that the math is wrong (without ever being able to explain or show them why it is wrong!)?


Einstein:Here is my answer: Why do you continue to promulgate this lie you made up about me?
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1) That is not an answer. It is a not-so-sly attempt to answer a question by asking another question. (Let that be added to the record of your rhetoric)
2) My statement and its underlying question was formulated not on lies, but on your very own statements, some in this very thread.
3) Have you, or have you not, (in this very thread) attempted to argue that the vector cross product does not accurately describe gyroscopic precession? (Answer please, not another question)

RMT
 
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RMT

I see you continue to duck and cover when I ask a direct question. Is that reason enough for me to formulate a lie about you? Sorry it's just not my style. The fact is that I presented an alternate mathematical theory of how the gyro behaves the way it does. I can take my theory and construct a unified field theory with it, just based on that simple little equation I posted. Can you do that with your cross product method? The fact is that the cross product is just a mathematical word. It makes different asumptions about reality than I do. I'm not going to be bold enough to assume we are actually playing with two dimensional forces when I can break it down and describe it with one dimensional forces instead. My theory is just an alternate theory. It opens up more doors for me to explore.
 
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ruthless
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if the world spun faster, would there be less gravity?
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It is believed to be so. At the equator the increased spin of the earth would produce a larger amount of centripetal acceleration. This would tend to negate a small portion of gravity.
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Hrm. Without getting too deep with this...

If you stopped the spinning all together - wouldn't everything just fall off? Then if you spun it faster, wouldn't whatever is on the surface stay attached better the faster you spun it?

Aha, now I guess that's the difference between laws of motion &amp; 'gravity' (ignoring things like atmosphere etc) -

So back to the original question... would that mean there's less gravity at our poles?
(After all if you were right on the axis's do they not rotate much faster than the equator - sphere diameter vs. rpm?)
 
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Angleochoas

If you stopped the spinning all together - wouldn't everything just fall off? Then if you spun it faster, wouldn't whatever is on the surface stay attached better the faster you spun it?
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Maybe in a universe where all the length was negative and time ran in reverse.

So back to the original question... would that mean there's less gravity at our poles?
(After all if you were right on the axis's do they not rotate much faster than the equator - sphere diameter vs. rpm?)
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Since you are consistently getting it all backwards, I have to wonder if you came from a universe where all the length is negative and time runs in reverse.
 
It's like I'm allowed to know the secrets behind a unified field theory, but I'm not going to be permitted to tell anybody.
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This sounds like it's on a bus route that passes through megalomania, NPD or schizophrenia...

A theory doesn't have secrets in the sense you seem to mean. That's the woolly language of the science hype media. It seems as though you are reasonably happy to carry out observations, but when it comes time to do thorough and probably boring to you intellectual work you cop out and go back to magical thinking and the dizzying heights of lunacy.

And I say that as someone who has, to put it mildly, unorthodox views about certain specific scientific theories currently held in high esteem. However, where I feel critical of them, I try my best to deeply immerse myself in the reasoning and observations behind those theories. When I was a kid, I was a bright kid, smart, you know... Back then I behaved the way you behave on this board. Thought I already knew it all. Dangerous attitude. Sort of good to be a little like it for a while as a kid, but you have to grow out of it or you'll never learn anything.

Of course, your mental position has already evolved a coping strategy to insulate you from such confrontational ideas. Unfortunately it is the coping strategy of all believers in magical thinking.

When satellite pictures and many other proofs were offered to the President of the Flat Earth society, as absolute and conclusive factual confirmation that the Earth is not flat, his only recorded response was,

"You'd be surprised how often I hear that."

Big river in Egypt (da Nile) is the opposite of a genuinely inquiring mind.
 
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Hrm. Without getting too deep with this...

If you stopped the spinning all together - wouldn't everything just fall off?
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Nope. It's the other way around.

Ever been in a loop-de-loop roller coaster? When the cart is in the loop and the passangers are upside-down, why don't they fall off? Because circular motion creates a force that pulls you OUTWARD.

In the roller-coaster, "outwards" means "toward the rails". That's why you don't fall down.

And in the spinning earth, "outwards" means "up". The only reason we don't fly out into space, is that the earth's gravity is about 250 times stronger then this centrifugal force. And if the earth spun 16 times faster (16 being the square root of 250), this force would have balanced gravity completey and we would be weightless.

By the way, this is exactly why astronauts in the space shuttle are weightless. They orbit the earth every 90 minutes or so - at the exact rotation speed required for the two forces to balance one another.

So back to the original question... would that mean there's less gravity at our poles?
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There would be more gravity at the poles, because the poles don't rotate at all! If you are standing at the pole, you are just rotating around yourself. The radius of the circle you cover is zero. Hence there will be no centrifugal force at all.

Indeed, at the poles you would weigh about half a pound more than you would weigh on the equator.
 
When satellite pictures and many other proofs were offered to the President of the Flat Earth society, as absolute and conclusive factual confirmation that the Earth is not flat, his only recorded response was,

"You'd be surprised how often I hear that."
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What do you mean "The earth is not flat"?! Of-course it is! It's the universe around it that's curved.

And the really funny thing is, that you can't disprove what I just said in any way. Choose the right coordinate system, and add a few new fundamental forces to the equation, and voila! You have a flat earth. Of-course this isn't what the flat-earthers have in mind, but you gotta admit that the idea is interesting.

Ah... the power of mathematics (I hope Einstein is reading this)
 
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