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Does anyone know what will happen if we go faster than the speed of light?And if so what would happen?
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Yes,
It leaves malignant scar tissue on humanity!
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It leaves malignant scar tissue on humanity!
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if one were to try to accelerate by taking advantage of newtons law A=F/M, to achieve a difference in velocity relative to an observer's reference frame, one could NEVER achieve the speed of light with respect to that observer's frame. the action/reaction connection has deep roots in the relative passage of time between the two reference frames. this is because in order to model an action/reaction set, the action has to be seen to take place in the stationary frame, while the reaction is seen to take place in the moving frame. Now, in order to apply a force, a unit of time to measure that force within must pass. Since the speed of light is always constant as long as it is measured within ambient space-time (a.k.a vacuum flux, which is normally of equal potential between the two frames, macroscopically), there has to be a contracting variable so that the equation R=D/T remains true. The contracting variable can either be distance or time, either one gives the same result, because they are both functions of each other. This is due to, again, the constancy of the measure of the speed of light. Now we have the grounds for understanding the lorentz contraction, and why time is relative to velocity. knowing this, if one begins to accelerate toward the speed of light it becomes harder and harder for the force to accelerate the mass, because the relative passage of time between the stationary reference frame and the moving reference frame is decreasing. basically, the action of the pushing on the stationary frame by the moving frame seems to be transducing the force into motion at a slower rate, therefore giving rise to a decreasing rate of acceleration...
Therefore it is not possible for one to ACCELERATE to the speed of light! BUT - if one could change the local vacuum (engineer space-time) then you could actually change the rate at which force is transduced into motion! So the appearance of faster than light travel seems to be a reality, but it is only an illusion as stated... what actually happens is a decoupling between the moving object and the stationary one, of engineerable quality. You would basically be shrinking the distance from here to there, moving at some velocity less than C with respect to your own reference frame, and then returning your local vacuum back to ambient! Does that sound pretty accurate anyone? The implications of such are profound! teleportation, and possibly even time travel are a result! Einsteins rebuttal to this was that space-time could not be changed locally... But i think that is were the BS comes in - I dont believe that for one second!
Therefore it is not possible for one to ACCELERATE to the speed of light! BUT - if one could change the local vacuum (engineer space-time) then you could actually change the rate at which force is transduced into motion! So the appearance of faster than light travel seems to be a reality, but it is only an illusion as stated... what actually happens is a decoupling between the moving object and the stationary one, of engineerable quality. You would basically be shrinking the distance from here to there, moving at some velocity less than C with respect to your own reference frame, and then returning your local vacuum back to ambient! Does that sound pretty accurate anyone? The implications of such are profound! teleportation, and possibly even time travel are a result! Einsteins rebuttal to this was that space-time could not be changed locally... But i think that is were the BS comes in - I dont believe that for one second!
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richar18
So the light speed limit is due to an objects limited ability to absorb energy from its environment. The absorbtion deforms the object into a plane at the 'wall of observation'.
Local warpage of spacetime is probably possible. The ability to do so is a bit on the scary side......and if you could do it, well they'd just have to kill you. Sorry.
So the light speed limit is due to an objects limited ability to absorb energy from its environment. The absorbtion deforms the object into a plane at the 'wall of observation'.
Local warpage of spacetime is probably possible. The ability to do so is a bit on the scary side......and if you could do it, well they'd just have to kill you. Sorry.
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I think in order to travel through time we must go at least the speed of light. You are probably thinking that if anything with mass goes the speed of light it will turn into energy so it goes in this dimension, but what if we were to go to a dimension where there is absolutly nothing no air no matter which would create no laws of physics and because there is absolutly nothing here it would have the name of Z-space or Zero-space where it is possible to travel the speed of light or faster.
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Marcus
This z-space you speak of - I think you are almost correct! basically, it seems as if one would need to construct a closure of space-time around oneself, which would isolate him/her from the ambient spacetime of the environment. basically, one needs to decouple from normal space-time (virtual particle flux, or vacuum), which means entering a hyperspace of sorts. this would effectively disengage the feedback-feedforward loop which links one mass to the next in the external environment, and creates the illusion of what we know as reality. a spacetime-closure still supports life however, because within the "bubble' space-time is still flat! it is only the boundary which is curved. This allows the virtual particle interaction that IS matter to continue, insuring a stable environment for you and your vessel. Zero space could be looked at as the relationship between your ambient vacuum, and the vacuum which you previously were in phase with, the reality which you were originally a part of. This is because there is no 3-spatial communication between the reality inside the "bubble" and outside the "bubble", at least not enough to "collapse the wave function" and pull you into an observable state with respect to any external environment. voila! as long as you can control the ambient state of the space-time within the bubble, you can pop into and out of existance at any point on any timeline after you collapse the bubble and re-form the feedback-feedforward loop between your vacuum, and the vacuum you are entering by collapsing the closure.
This z-space you speak of - I think you are almost correct! basically, it seems as if one would need to construct a closure of space-time around oneself, which would isolate him/her from the ambient spacetime of the environment. basically, one needs to decouple from normal space-time (virtual particle flux, or vacuum), which means entering a hyperspace of sorts. this would effectively disengage the feedback-feedforward loop which links one mass to the next in the external environment, and creates the illusion of what we know as reality. a spacetime-closure still supports life however, because within the "bubble' space-time is still flat! it is only the boundary which is curved. This allows the virtual particle interaction that IS matter to continue, insuring a stable environment for you and your vessel. Zero space could be looked at as the relationship between your ambient vacuum, and the vacuum which you previously were in phase with, the reality which you were originally a part of. This is because there is no 3-spatial communication between the reality inside the "bubble" and outside the "bubble", at least not enough to "collapse the wave function" and pull you into an observable state with respect to any external environment. voila! as long as you can control the ambient state of the space-time within the bubble, you can pop into and out of existance at any point on any timeline after you collapse the bubble and re-form the feedback-feedforward loop between your vacuum, and the vacuum you are entering by collapsing the closure.
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And achieving the speed of light is not neccessary, for we can achieve the same effects without relative motion! velocity can be looked at as a rotation out of the t=0 reference frame, the speed of light being one orthogonal rotation. Once an orthogonal rotation has been achieved, the connection between the rotated mass and the t=0 reference frame is broken! there are other ways of frame rotating than velocity. I believe any increase in the assymetry of interaction between a mass and its environment can be looked at as a rotated state! this is how I think we will come to create a local space-time warpage (previously said to be impossible).
zeeksmarts
Temporal Novice
Technically time does not travel at the speed of light. Time travels at a rate of one second per second, or one millionth of a second per one millionth of a second. Time is not a material substance, so you can not measure it in distance as you can with light.
Transient001
Quantum Scribe
Friend Zeeksmarts
That is precisely where you are mistaken. Time in this third echelon of material reality has no substance. However as you travel closer to a singularity or become one, as in the previous examples of Timephasing via the Prime Temporal Point, time becomes space. To achieve this the observer should access the fourth echelon of this universe, passing from the 8th dimensions into 16th dimensions.
I explain, as you travel near the two event horizons of a spinning blackhole, once past the first event horizon, time will start to move backwards as you get closer to the singularity. As you move farther from this one the observer will move forward in time. Thus time becomes a timespace and can be easily traversed towards the desired destination. This was postulated in 1964 by the Australian physicist Dr. Kerr, solving with a single equation the problem of temporal self consistency and the myriad quantum realities existent.
Until later becomes now.
That is precisely where you are mistaken. Time in this third echelon of material reality has no substance. However as you travel closer to a singularity or become one, as in the previous examples of Timephasing via the Prime Temporal Point, time becomes space. To achieve this the observer should access the fourth echelon of this universe, passing from the 8th dimensions into 16th dimensions.
I explain, as you travel near the two event horizons of a spinning blackhole, once past the first event horizon, time will start to move backwards as you get closer to the singularity. As you move farther from this one the observer will move forward in time. Thus time becomes a timespace and can be easily traversed towards the desired destination. This was postulated in 1964 by the Australian physicist Dr. Kerr, solving with a single equation the problem of temporal self consistency and the myriad quantum realities existent.
Until later becomes now.
Darby
Epochal Historian
wern,
What would happen to you if you traveled at the speed of light (let alone in excess thereof)?
Timespace would appear to you to collapse to a point in front of you as you approached c. All radiant energy in the universe would appear to eminate from that diminishing point. The relativistic effect would also blue shift the radiant energy. IR would be blue shifted to the gamma ray and cosmic ray band. Higher energy photons would be blue shifted even farther into the extreme comsic ray band.
For all intents and purposes, all radiant energy impinging upon you from every direction (except 180 degrees behind you on the "x" axis) would be focused into a narrow gamma ray/comsic ray beam aimed directly at you. You'd be vaporized.
What would happen to you if you traveled at the speed of light (let alone in excess thereof)?
Timespace would appear to you to collapse to a point in front of you as you approached c. All radiant energy in the universe would appear to eminate from that diminishing point. The relativistic effect would also blue shift the radiant energy. IR would be blue shifted to the gamma ray and cosmic ray band. Higher energy photons would be blue shifted even farther into the extreme comsic ray band.
For all intents and purposes, all radiant energy impinging upon you from every direction (except 180 degrees behind you on the "x" axis) would be focused into a narrow gamma ray/comsic ray beam aimed directly at you. You'd be vaporized.
creedo299
Epochal Historian
RE: Why does time travel at the speed Notation
Please note on this particular thread, the speed of light can be considered in near situ, or velocity of light, at length or distance?
There is really no particular way light, as a standard can be manipulaited to effect time as a tool of use with realtion to time travel.(Some may have that standard, however, good for them)?
The theory work of Anderson was that light overpumped via lasic methods, can cause a geomentrical shape, which can stand apart from natural light, however this light may manifest itself, within this or that particular realized frequency.
So any approch, as one would devise, may alter both velocity of mass in realtionship to time, or may alter time, as its found within an application.
Time is always altered by mass, however velocity of light, is not in direct relationship to mass as we realize light to be is ever considered a tennatable mass.
Light is not an object in natural situ, nor is mass, in any quanity ever considered time, however the interplay of mass and time as it realits to distance prime, is always of inportants here, within this thread consideration mentioned.
djb DJB
Please note on this particular thread, the speed of light can be considered in near situ, or velocity of light, at length or distance?
There is really no particular way light, as a standard can be manipulaited to effect time as a tool of use with realtion to time travel.(Some may have that standard, however, good for them)?
The theory work of Anderson was that light overpumped via lasic methods, can cause a geomentrical shape, which can stand apart from natural light, however this light may manifest itself, within this or that particular realized frequency.
So any approch, as one would devise, may alter both velocity of mass in realtionship to time, or may alter time, as its found within an application.
Time is always altered by mass, however velocity of light, is not in direct relationship to mass as we realize light to be is ever considered a tennatable mass.
Light is not an object in natural situ, nor is mass, in any quanity ever considered time, however the interplay of mass and time as it realits to distance prime, is always of inportants here, within this thread consideration mentioned.
djb DJB
Darby
Epochal Historian
RE: Why does time travel at the speed Notation
Daniel,
I don't know what you mean by "in situ". Are you refering to light as being considered "at rest" - and relative to what frame?
BTW:
I hate to spoil anyone's fun re. David Anderson and the Time Travel Research Center/Association but he's no longer in the time travel "business" and the TTRC site along with everything on it is for sale - lock, stock and barrel. Go to Time Travel Research Center for details. Both time-travel.com and www.time-travel.com are for sale there.
I've talked to the webmaster in Romania and he's verified that David Anderson is his client. Buying the site means buying all the copyrights, business name, all the "research" data and inheriting the poor former "members" who paid the fee to join as Charter Members of Time Travel Research Association.
David Anderson is no longer TTRC - he's now the World Genesis Foundation running summer camps for teenagers in Romania, Slovakia and Moldova. The worldwide headquarters is his apartment in Rochester, NY.
So it appears that there was no startling break-throughs in time travel - if he was ever actually involved with research of any kind, let alone time travel. I spent a year running down leads and talking to people in and around his old home town near Long Island, NY. It appear that there was never any laboratory and that TTRC was nothing more than a website and a P.O. Box that was shared with World Genesis Foundation for about 18 months before TTRC went offline.
Daniel,
I don't know what you mean by "in situ". Are you refering to light as being considered "at rest" - and relative to what frame?
BTW:
I hate to spoil anyone's fun re. David Anderson and the Time Travel Research Center/Association but he's no longer in the time travel "business" and the TTRC site along with everything on it is for sale - lock, stock and barrel. Go to Time Travel Research Center for details. Both time-travel.com and www.time-travel.com are for sale there.
I've talked to the webmaster in Romania and he's verified that David Anderson is his client. Buying the site means buying all the copyrights, business name, all the "research" data and inheriting the poor former "members" who paid the fee to join as Charter Members of Time Travel Research Association.
David Anderson is no longer TTRC - he's now the World Genesis Foundation running summer camps for teenagers in Romania, Slovakia and Moldova. The worldwide headquarters is his apartment in Rochester, NY.
So it appears that there was no startling break-throughs in time travel - if he was ever actually involved with research of any kind, let alone time travel. I spent a year running down leads and talking to people in and around his old home town near Long Island, NY. It appear that there was never any laboratory and that TTRC was nothing more than a website and a P.O. Box that was shared with World Genesis Foundation for about 18 months before TTRC went offline.
creedo299
Epochal Historian
RE: Why does time
Like it or not, Anderson's work, while this work was underway, was very, very, relavent.
The idea behind Anderson's work was, that lasic light could be added as an extrastationary tensor, over on itself, which could be trainslaited as a plus tensor factor.
Does not matter now that Anderson is out of busniess.
Words Darby misunderstood relavency examps, >Prolate o-part from area of Earth, at margin of extra velocity, yealed via application of said such in-print, a plus or minus in time.Words printed script file.
2.Tensor of C over onself, example, new remake of movie origionally complete on Well's script.
Finnal comment, Anderson's work was relavent, however via your example, as with others, not fully understood.
Like it or not, Anderson's work, while this work was underway, was very, very, relavent.
The idea behind Anderson's work was, that lasic light could be added as an extrastationary tensor, over on itself, which could be trainslaited as a plus tensor factor.
Does not matter now that Anderson is out of busniess.
Words Darby misunderstood relavency examps, >Prolate o-part from area of Earth, at margin of extra velocity, yealed via application of said such in-print, a plus or minus in time.Words printed script file.
2.Tensor of C over onself, example, new remake of movie origionally complete on Well's script.
Finnal comment, Anderson's work was relavent, however via your example, as with others, not fully understood.
Darby
Epochal Historian
RE: Why does time
Dan,
The problem that I've had with verifying any of Anderson's "work" is that there isn't any evidence published anywhere, incuding his old site, that indicates any work being done at all.
If you look at his site (which is archived at the Way Back Machine) you won't find a single article there that is written by Anderson himself - with the possible exception of his biographical information page. There's not even a hint about what work was being done.
He didn't have much time to be doing any research as he has been employed fulltime with alarm companies for several years.
I'm serious when I ask, please post a URL that links to any paper written by Anderson about his work. I can't find any.
I have discovered that his "PhD" isn't in math or physics. His PhD is in metaphysics but there is no where listed what university confered the degree. His bio says that his undergrad work was at one of the Cal State University Campuses but not which one...there are 23. When he was in the Air Force and what rank he held is also unknown. The fact is that if you look at his ciricculum vitae you can't verify a single entry - and he refuses to do so himself (and I'm not the only person who posts here who has tried to get that information from him).
His rank, AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code - his job class) and when he was in the Air Force are not military secrets. What colleges and universities he graduated from, what degrees were conferred and who his PhD supervisor was are also not secrets. For some reason he ducks answering these questions.
Dan,
The problem that I've had with verifying any of Anderson's "work" is that there isn't any evidence published anywhere, incuding his old site, that indicates any work being done at all.
If you look at his site (which is archived at the Way Back Machine) you won't find a single article there that is written by Anderson himself - with the possible exception of his biographical information page. There's not even a hint about what work was being done.
He didn't have much time to be doing any research as he has been employed fulltime with alarm companies for several years.
I'm serious when I ask, please post a URL that links to any paper written by Anderson about his work. I can't find any.
I have discovered that his "PhD" isn't in math or physics. His PhD is in metaphysics but there is no where listed what university confered the degree. His bio says that his undergrad work was at one of the Cal State University Campuses but not which one...there are 23. When he was in the Air Force and what rank he held is also unknown. The fact is that if you look at his ciricculum vitae you can't verify a single entry - and he refuses to do so himself (and I'm not the only person who posts here who has tried to get that information from him).
His rank, AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code - his job class) and when he was in the Air Force are not military secrets. What colleges and universities he graduated from, what degrees were conferred and who his PhD supervisor was are also not secrets. For some reason he ducks answering these questions.
creedo299
Epochal Historian
RE: Why does, this is odd Darby:
This is odd Darby, as I remember both hearing and reading articles on his work.
One facit was the use of lasic light, to increase the growing times of plants, so that perril time, was lessened by elements within the enviroment, such as bad weather effecting crops.
The other was the use of overpumped C, as light tensed back upon itself, as a geometrial figure, which was or could be frequencied out of the naturally occuring standard resonant frequency of time and space, which is the backround of our reality.
I also remember stuff, statments said on Art Bell.
I have not been qualified papers published, however Anderson had given the impression that he had both funding, as well as a paper on his findings in the works?
What is more funny, is the basis for the remake of the H.G. Well's reversion of the time machine, uses Anderson's concept as overpumped tensor C, as a prolate placed upon itself, in order to gain access to a certain direction within timespace.
Same, as a matter of fact, very same concept as involved with Anderson's said works, then, said soon to be published.....?
I don't know, if he's Air Force, maybe false walls and a carefully placed dog and pony show..?
I think I got dumb all of a sudden Darby.
Do you remember what I was going to say, as I somehow forgot?
edit, spell word papers, djb
This is odd Darby, as I remember both hearing and reading articles on his work.
One facit was the use of lasic light, to increase the growing times of plants, so that perril time, was lessened by elements within the enviroment, such as bad weather effecting crops.
The other was the use of overpumped C, as light tensed back upon itself, as a geometrial figure, which was or could be frequencied out of the naturally occuring standard resonant frequency of time and space, which is the backround of our reality.
I also remember stuff, statments said on Art Bell.
I have not been qualified papers published, however Anderson had given the impression that he had both funding, as well as a paper on his findings in the works?
What is more funny, is the basis for the remake of the H.G. Well's reversion of the time machine, uses Anderson's concept as overpumped tensor C, as a prolate placed upon itself, in order to gain access to a certain direction within timespace.
Same, as a matter of fact, very same concept as involved with Anderson's said works, then, said soon to be published.....?
I don't know, if he's Air Force, maybe false walls and a carefully placed dog and pony show..?
I think I got dumb all of a sudden Darby.
Do you remember what I was going to say, as I somehow forgot?
edit, spell word papers, djb
Darby
Epochal Historian
RE: Why does, this is odd Darby:
Daniel,
Here's what Anderson is up to now. Go to his new site World Genesis Foundation . You'll notice in his bio that he no onger refers to himselkf as "Dr. David Anderson", makes no reference to his physics background as the worlds foremost authority on time machines and there is no reference to the Time Travel Research Center/Association.
He's running summer camps for kids in the old Soviet Blok of Eastern Europe.
Daniel,
Here's what Anderson is up to now. Go to his new site World Genesis Foundation . You'll notice in his bio that he no onger refers to himselkf as "Dr. David Anderson", makes no reference to his physics background as the worlds foremost authority on time machines and there is no reference to the Time Travel Research Center/Association.
He's running summer camps for kids in the old Soviet Blok of Eastern Europe.
kelticguardian
Temporal Novice
In simple laymen terms, I would have to say that the idea of time travel being expressed in terms of speed of light is because we have simplified time to be expressed on how we view light at certain times of the day. For example, take a sun dial. When the light strikes the dial and the shadow of the dial is focused behind it, or striaght, it is commonly conceived to be 12p.m or noon, so by limiting our focus to a typical 24 hour day split into two 12 hours, we have limited our concept of time. Explain this, why and how did we conceive the idea of a 24 hour day? How was the speed of light calculated? Why is that same light only measured from the sun? Is the sun the only source of light we have? Why not stars or the moon? Why is there a 1 hour or 2 hour difference in time zones in the US? Why is the Grand Meridan located in Greenwhich (yes this point is important, but why?)? We have limited ourselves in our ideas of time and being human, having to find explanations to make it easy for us, but why not look at from a different persepective?