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(A few minutes after my last post)

I've been thinking about this vibration we're talking about, and I think it's different from a molecular vibration. I guess it's a Quantumn vibration? Man, you have to say quantumn alot when you're talking about this stuff.

Anyway, Now that I think about it, If you changed your Quantumn state, you'd HAVE to 'jump' into another quantum universe. A quantumn jump if you will. Think of it, everything in our universe vibrates at a fundamental frequency.

If you no longer vibrate at that frequency, you wouldn't be able to exist here anymore. You'd be totally intangible to anything operating on a different frequency than you. In other words you don't exist here no more.
Hmm, so where would you be? Energy cannot be destroyed, so you have to end up somewhere. So You'd be'drawn' to a quantumn universe that operates on your new frequency.

I suppose it would be like a radio. All those different stations side by side, and the only way to listen to them is by tuning the dial.

This all seems very familiar. I'll have to reread those Q books I got, but I think that this theory has been around for awhile. So some Q theorists somewhere had to say this.

If we suppose though that you can change your Q state, and this actually transports you somewhere, how would you control it, and how could you use it for time travel?

Hmm, let's think of the basic Q state as a frequency. Suppose that at the moment of the big bang, this Q frequency at an extremly high amplitude. (Amplitude is the volume of the frequency, increase the amplitude of a sound frequency, and it gets louder, and vice versa)

So every instant after the big bang, Plank time perhaps, (the smallest unit of time possible) the amplitude decreases a little. And it keeps decreasing. Maybe this amplitude will decrease so much that time and space will just fade away, or something like that. (I've heard that some people believe that the year 2012 is when time and space will end. I think that's the end of the Mayan calender too. Makes you wonder.)

Now I believe that the future and the past exist. I posted why I do on another topic here, time-space inter-dimensional travel every night I think.

So travelling to the past and future would be a matter of not changing your Q frequency, but you Q amplitude. This, I suppose, could be done by creating a field that resonates with your quantumn frequency.

Anything within this field will 'lock on' to that field. (Much like two identical tuning forks) So if you slowly increase the amplitude of that field, through the principles of resonance, your amplitude will increase too. Assuming the device worked, this should take you to the past, decreasing the amplitude will take you to the future.

This same device might be used for dimensional travel as well. You can do this by changing the frequency of the field after you locked on to it.

But would you travel to another dimension, or another universe? Most of us use the term interchanably, but they're very different. Another dimension would be like 5-D space, 6-D space, and so on. Another universe is like the one's in the show sliders.

I imagine that higher and lower dimension would be 'above and below' us, and different universes 'would be side by side'. Hmm, there our infinite dimesnions, and they could all have infinite parrallel universes as well. Wow, that's alot of infinites.

Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked. I think that most likely our "Quantumn Shifting Device", if you changed the frequency, would transport you to another universe, not dimension.

Why? Well it would take alot more energy than all the energy in the multiverse to add a dimension to ever single molecule, cell, atom, subatomic particle, and so on. And that's just the next dimension. Imagine the energy you'd need to add 985 more dimensions to yourself. You can't? Well remember there's an ifinite number of dimesnions!

Eesh, this is getting long. I think it's time I wrapped this up. I'll post more later.
 
Lee said:
-Actually "RICKY", ALL things in the universe from the smallest neutrinos "vibrate". The measurement of this "molecular vibration" is
called "temperature". -

Since heat is the net effect of vibrating atoms, at the neutrino scale, there is no heat. So actually, temperature does not exist when you get down to that level.
 
What has star trek got to do with temporal mechanics JS?

I only watch TNG not DS9 :-)

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It has nothing to do with it. I just remembered the qoute. I watched that one DS9 episode cuz it had an interestin concept.
 
JS said:

"Since heat is the net effect of vibrating atoms, at the neutrino scale, there is no heat. So actually, temperature does not exist when you get down to that level."

No JS, heat is the net effect of the speed of vibration of molecules, NOT atoms.

In the boiling water example, there is no such thing as an "atom" of water. There are only molecules of water which are made up of 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of Oxygen, each. The vibration of MOLECULES is the measure of heat, not atoms.

There is no way to measure the properties of any element or compound (which is what water is,) below the molecular level. You can describe the properties of an atom of Iron, but you can't describe the properties of Iron itself until you have a molecule of it. You cannot "breathe" free floating atoms of Oxygen. (Well, you CAN, but your body can't do anything with them that has to do with oxygenating your blood supply). You would suffocate. You CAN and DO breathe molecules of Oxygen however.

Nothing of the measurable properties of any element or compound at the molecular level involves the quantum state one iota. You cannot affect the quantum state of any matter by interacting with it at the molecular level. It's called the "Law of conservation of matter and energy".

You have to either break apart an atom, (via Fission, Fusion etc.) or set up a condition where you can isolate a fundamental particle to do that. Such as in a particle accelerator, as one example.

I also never said Neutrinos have "temperature".

Of Course they don't.

I SAID they vibrate.

Which they do.
 
I didn't say I could change the quantumn state by changing anything on the molecular level. This goes way deeper.

And heat doesn't have to be just molecules. If you vibrated a bunch of hydrogen atoms, it would create heat.
 
Lee.

let me be more specific.

i didnt realize with whom i was dealing.

and for anyone else interested...

when im speaking about "quantam anything,

i mean "sub atomic particals". molecular is a general term, sorry.

as far as where i went to school.. oxford

where i participated in a light experiment

with david deutsch and ken ziet that passed a

beam of light through a filter causing the photons to create a stripe pattern.

when a second filter was added so that only

one photon at a time could pass through.

the stripe pattern should not emerge... there should only be one stripe, instead ..the full pattern emerged on the other side.

the conclusion: the single photons are creating the full pattern of stripes by interacting with photons we can not see. because.. they are in a "near" paralel universe. this interaction causing the single photons to change direction thus creating the full pattern.

this is the first conclusive evidence that: reality consists of more that one universe

because this result could not come about unless there was another nearby universe interacting with ours.



guenter nimtz at university cologne has split micro waves in half. 1/2 passing through the

air the other 1/2 through a barrier.

the 1/2 through the barrier should have reached the other side slower, instead it reached the other side faster. faster then the speed of light. this is called "quantum tunneling"



as far as sub-atomic particals: what i was refering to is called "nutational motion"

it means that every sub-atomic partical spins about its own internal axis, and nutation refers to a wobble of the axis rotation. each partical in the physical universe experiences a nutation period of precisely the same rate. matter and each quantum-partical of electromagnetic

energy spins upon its own axis and all these

axes wobble at one constant rate regardless of the energy or mass of the partical. the rate never varies. there is no physical power

in the universe that can change it.



i hope that i have been clear this time

what do u think?

cr
 
JS:

How do you define QUANTUM VIBRATION? What is vibrating? If you change your quantum state what are you changing?


Lee:

The bonding of elements and compounds involue a " Covalent bond or Ionic bond ". Since every electron has four QUANTUM numbers any interaction will change the quantum state of the element or compound.

QUANTUM NUMBERS:
1:Principal number (n)
2:Angular momentum number(l)
3:Magnetic number (Ml)
4:Spin number (Ms)

CRZYRICKY3:

The experiment you discribe sounds a lot like the DOUBLE-SLIT INTERFERENCE experiment demonstrated by THOMAS YOUNG in 1801. This was a key experiment in the development of Quantum Theory. The conclusion of your experiment is highly debatable and nonconclusive.
I have no reference to the term " Nutational motion " perhaps you could provide a book title that explans this term.
 
JS:
"And heat doesn't have to be just molecules. If you vibrated a bunch of hydrogen atoms, it would create heat."

Yes JS. Point taken. In THIS case tho, remember that Hydrogen exists as a "molecule" in its single atom state. Not all elements do this. In the case of Hydrogen, atom and molecule are interchangeble, by the very nature of Hydrogen itself.

crzricky3:
"...i mean "sub atomic particals". molecular is a general term, sorry."

No problem. Just wanted to point out that "molecules" are vastly different from elemenraty particles.

As to the rest of your dissertation, it sounds good to me. Now we're getting somewhere. Perhaps we could explore how quantum tunneling leads to the hypothesis of multiple universes, or the universal "bubbles" Dr. Hawking refers to.

Time Master:
"The bonding of elements and compounds involue a " Covalent bond or Ionic bond ". Since every electron has four QUANTUM numbers any interaction will change the quantum state of the element or compound.

QUANTUM NUMBERS:
1:Principal number (n)
2:Angular momentum number(l)
3:Magnetic number (Ml)
4:Spin number (Ms)"

Absolutely sir. Totally agreed. But the very quantum change you are describing here is at the atomic level, not the molecular. It's the forming of the molecules themselves that evoke the changes to the electrons in the atoms. Once the molecule is formed, there is nothing you can do to the molecule, (leaving it intact as formed), that changes the quantum state of the material it comprises. Once the molecule is rent asunder, the atoms that make it up return to their original quantum state. I apologize if I was unclear in my explanation.

Also, the "double slit" experiment led to various theories including "wave collapse" which Einstein never bought into and resulted in his (along with collegue Rosen) EPR paradox which defies relativity. That's the controversy of which you refer to in this and is at the root of why relativity and quantum theory do not reconcile.

There are other theories that reconcile this such as Dr. Lewis Little's theory of elemental waves. A theory that totally contradicts "wave collapse" using the very same math. The only difference being that ONE SINGLE plus sign is changed to minus, and the results tally as before, but with different consequences.
 
postman- retype the words that were in the letter you received from the future. I am curious to the contents.(as Iam sure we all are.)
Thanks.
 
TIME TRAVEL IS NOT POSSIBLE!!! PEOPLE SAY THAT WE ARE TRAVELING THROUGH TIME NO WERE NOT!!!! WE ARE DIALATING TIME CHANGING IT NOT GOING THROUGH IT!!!! THAT MEANS SAY I GO INTO THE FUTURE BY TIME DIALATION THAT DOESNT MEAN I DISAPPEAR AND THEN I GO TO THE FUTURE AND YOU STAY BEHIND WONDERING WHERE I AM, no!! IT MEANS MY TIME SLOWS DOWN AND YOU PASS SOME ODD YEARS AND I RETURN MY TIME TO NORMAL... IM NOT SEEING YOUR FUTURE SELF IM SEEING YOU BUT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED A LONGER TIME THAN ME.......THAT IS POSSIBLE TIME DIALATION...NOT TIME TRAVEL
 
Please refer to the law of least energy. An apple falling from a tree will only consume as much energy as needed. Going back in the timestream to seduce you grandmother or to kill your grandfather will never occur as it consumes too much energy.
 
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