Twin Paradox Question
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RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
Creedo,
if you are so smart how come you don't have a working time machine? Or cyborgs walking around your apartment and AI programs posting to the internet for you? How come you havn't created an anti-grav device so you can fly off and meet the Aliens who are watching you?
if you are so smart how come you don't have a working time machine? Or cyborgs walking around your apartment and AI programs posting to the internet for you? How come you havn't created an anti-grav device so you can fly off and meet the Aliens who are watching you?
creedo299
Epochal Historian
Ren said> Creedo,
if you are so smart how come you don't have a working time machine?Or cyborgs walking around your apartment and AI programs posting to the internet for you? How come you havn't created an anti-grav device so you can fly off and meet the Aliens who are watching you?
Reply to each challenge>if you are so smart how come you don't have a working time machine?
Creedo answers; If I did or if I did not, I would not say it on this forum.
Ren said> Or cyborgs walking around your apartment
Creedo ans; What would the purpose of a human with implants walking around in any apartment that I would have be?
Ren also said> AI programs posting to the internet for you?
Creedo answers; What would be the purpose of any cyborg posting any A.I. program, of an unspecific nature anywhere on the net be?
Ren said> How come you havn't created an anti-grav device so you can fly off and meet the Aliens who are watching you?
Creedo answers; There is the symantology of this question.
If aliens helped create man and watch over him, and they serve in the function as caretakers and always have access, then why meet your caretakers?
2.You can, by Bruce McCarthy's book, on How To Build A Flying Saucer, out of fiberglass and other materials, build your own flying saucer, that is antigravity based.
However here is the problem, the North American Air Defense Command would have jets scrambled on you, in about fifteen minutes time, if you were to build such a craft.
Your cost, would be about one hundred thousand dollars to build a half way decent saucer.The other problem is, if you got this ship to go to another part of the galaxy, there would be the social impact on the person using it, in the process of landing there.
As was said in the movie, The Voyage Home starring William Shatner, Leonard Nemoy and Jill Ikenberry, there is the statement, when landing in Battery Park in San Francisco by Commander Spock, "It would be safe to say, that most people in this time, have never seen an extraterrestrial"?
So Spock covers his ears, with a torn part of his robe.
The reverse for most Earthlings going to other systems, is true.
We would all be in a state of shock.
The said mythical Coruscant in the last of the Series of Star Wars, shows what some very large offworld cities might be like.
You might get arrested in landing at the wrong area, when going to such a world?
You might not also have proper credits, in order to approach that world, in a proper way and have problems on that world.
There might also be security issues, even if you were to make it to that world, such as your ship being confiscated?
Getting there might be hard, but getting use to another world that you have landed on, with your own version of a homebuilt flying saucer, might be doubly hard?
You have referred to me in some unkind was, as a bullsh*itter and making stuff up.
In my book, I consider you a troll and are worthy of little other than making trouble, on this board for others.
There have been trolls placed here before, but they were eventually run off.
You had challenged me, I had answered you, let's just let it go at that.
You said you worked for a phone company. Well tells us, what types of connections are made for phone jacks for i.p.s as compared to phone serivce and what gauge wire are phone lines, made of?
If you can't answer these questions, then you may not be even who you say you are?
if you are so smart how come you don't have a working time machine?Or cyborgs walking around your apartment and AI programs posting to the internet for you? How come you havn't created an anti-grav device so you can fly off and meet the Aliens who are watching you?
Reply to each challenge>if you are so smart how come you don't have a working time machine?
Creedo answers; If I did or if I did not, I would not say it on this forum.
Ren said> Or cyborgs walking around your apartment
Creedo ans; What would the purpose of a human with implants walking around in any apartment that I would have be?
Ren also said> AI programs posting to the internet for you?
Creedo answers; What would be the purpose of any cyborg posting any A.I. program, of an unspecific nature anywhere on the net be?
Ren said> How come you havn't created an anti-grav device so you can fly off and meet the Aliens who are watching you?
Creedo answers; There is the symantology of this question.
If aliens helped create man and watch over him, and they serve in the function as caretakers and always have access, then why meet your caretakers?
2.You can, by Bruce McCarthy's book, on How To Build A Flying Saucer, out of fiberglass and other materials, build your own flying saucer, that is antigravity based.
However here is the problem, the North American Air Defense Command would have jets scrambled on you, in about fifteen minutes time, if you were to build such a craft.
Your cost, would be about one hundred thousand dollars to build a half way decent saucer.The other problem is, if you got this ship to go to another part of the galaxy, there would be the social impact on the person using it, in the process of landing there.
As was said in the movie, The Voyage Home starring William Shatner, Leonard Nemoy and Jill Ikenberry, there is the statement, when landing in Battery Park in San Francisco by Commander Spock, "It would be safe to say, that most people in this time, have never seen an extraterrestrial"?
So Spock covers his ears, with a torn part of his robe.
The reverse for most Earthlings going to other systems, is true.
We would all be in a state of shock.
The said mythical Coruscant in the last of the Series of Star Wars, shows what some very large offworld cities might be like.
You might get arrested in landing at the wrong area, when going to such a world?
You might not also have proper credits, in order to approach that world, in a proper way and have problems on that world.
There might also be security issues, even if you were to make it to that world, such as your ship being confiscated?
Getting there might be hard, but getting use to another world that you have landed on, with your own version of a homebuilt flying saucer, might be doubly hard?
You have referred to me in some unkind was, as a bullsh*itter and making stuff up.
In my book, I consider you a troll and are worthy of little other than making trouble, on this board for others.
There have been trolls placed here before, but they were eventually run off.
You had challenged me, I had answered you, let's just let it go at that.
You said you worked for a phone company. Well tells us, what types of connections are made for phone jacks for i.p.s as compared to phone serivce and what gauge wire are phone lines, made of?
If you can't answer these questions, then you may not be even who you say you are?
Sorry Creedo, I do appreciate you taking the time. And like my physics teacher in high school when I told him I didn't accept what he was trying to explain, you yelled at me /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Honestly, I'm never going to believe speed of light is max because I don't buy "infinite" mass as a possibility and I don't like the idea of a limit on speed.
I don't have the background to grasp that concept but I do recognize your trying to explain how to get around the problem of infinite mass and I'm just not keen on "exceptions".
I could accept infinite speed = infinite mass but not c = inifinte mass.
creedo299
Epochal Historian
Newbie 0 said>Sorry Creedo, I do appreciate you taking the time. And like my physics teacher in high school when I told him I didn't accept what he was trying to explain, you yelled at me
Creedo says>I'm not like your physics teacher in high school.
I don't care that you don't get it?
You may have a conceptual problem, which gives you trouble in understanding what I'm trying to say to you?
I suggest that you understand that you can not accelerate mass to light's top speed, as mass as you know it is defined to a certain realm.
Work this over and if you can get it fine, if not then talk to someone else.
Creedo says>I'm not like your physics teacher in high school.
I don't care that you don't get it?
You may have a conceptual problem, which gives you trouble in understanding what I'm trying to say to you?
I suggest that you understand that you can not accelerate mass to light's top speed, as mass as you know it is defined to a certain realm.
Work this over and if you can get it fine, if not then talk to someone else.
zerubbabel
Chrono Cadet
Actually, mass can not only reach 99.9999999 of the speed of light and still be considered "normal", recent discoveries of "blazars" the size of stellar systems ejected from unimaginably powerful "sources"--considering the energy necessary to propel proto material at instant light speed (minus .0000000000001 or thereabouts). That seems to be an absolute limit in that particular closed loop system. Just as the sound barrier was, it may be a threshold rather than a limit, but what a glorious threshold it must be. I can understand the awe of those who are beholding light slowed down to such an extent that they can almost "touch" it. In a strangely compelling way, we can literally go faster than light. Photonic research, in my opinion, will show us how to pass the threshold of c.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Agreed, Zerub.
We once thought the speed of sound (denoted by "a") was a barrier, rather than a threshold.
"c" is just another "a" that we will, eventually, transcend... and I agree that it will be a glorious time on this earth when we do learn to transcend it. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RMT
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
newbie, you keep seeing this as a limit on speed. I think the problem is you don't understand its a limit on Mass.
all einstein really said was that mass cannot go THE speed of light. because technically it wouldn't be mass anymore. Energy can go the speed of light. Einstein also never said the Speed of light was the limit, the absolute fastest anything can travel. Only that it was the virtual limit that Mass can travel.
so, to travel faster than light we will have to somehow convert ourselves temporarily into energy. Then when we slow down again, change back into matter. Piece of cake.
all einstein really said was that mass cannot go THE speed of light. because technically it wouldn't be mass anymore. Energy can go the speed of light. Einstein also never said the Speed of light was the limit, the absolute fastest anything can travel. Only that it was the virtual limit that Mass can travel.
so, to travel faster than light we will have to somehow convert ourselves temporarily into energy. Then when we slow down again, change back into matter. Piece of cake.
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
I think Mass should not be allowed to go faster than light. at least not in the traditional manner. but I believe the reason for this is probably very simple, matter going faster than light through regular space would probably just rip the very fabric of space time to Shreds. Energy can do this without causing the after effect.
I like to think of it as the difference between me standing on the edge of a highway as cars go by I feel a soft but still very intense breeze. As soon as that Mac Truck goes by I get blown on my rear end, might even knock me out. Those things really Push a lot of wind.
Now there is no wind in space, the car is the energy the mac truck is the mass, its just an Analogy and probably not a very good one.
I like to think of it as the difference between me standing on the edge of a highway as cars go by I feel a soft but still very intense breeze. As soon as that Mac Truck goes by I get blown on my rear end, might even knock me out. Those things really Push a lot of wind.
Now there is no wind in space, the car is the energy the mac truck is the mass, its just an Analogy and probably not a very good one.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Let's put is this way, and it might sound a little more plausible: Mass cannot travel the speed of light, or even the speed of sound, without being affected in some way...right?
For example, when we make an airplane go as fast, or faster than the speed of sound in a fluid, the Mass of the airplane is changed in a very significant, thermodynamic way. It heats up. It's internal vibration goes up, and the measure of internal vibration is what we call temperature.
Now take this up to the speed of light, and understand that even outer Space, which does not have a "fluid" like air, is still very much a "superfluid" medium. Can you see how if Mass were to travel as fast as, or faster than, the speed of light that it must be MUCH more drastically changed than just when it breaks the sound barrier in a regular fluid?
The speed of sound is a fractal subset of the speed of light.Both are related, ultimately, to FREQUENCY.
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