Today, exactly 24 years from the date of my first appearance on this forum. 2000.11.01

Dapyks said:
I wrote about this a month ago on my personal page.

Oh I ve missed this info! Where’s your personal page?
About dates and time, there’s an ongoing debate amongst scientists and philosophers, not on ‘When’ AI will surpass humans - some AI projects already brilliantly passed the Turing test- but ‘How’, we have a tool to solve problems but first need to figure out what problems we should solve, and that is a paradox. As such, your 2030ish seems reasonable, should AI and quantum computation eventually work together.
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Everyone has a personalized page on this forum.

About AI. Forget about it, it is not capable of inventing anything on its own. Do you seriously think that large corporations that so strongly control freedom and every human being will create an independent and uncontrollable consciousness?

You are sorely mistaken and that's the reason I'm here.
 
Darby said:
No, Titor absolutely did not create his profile on November 1, 2000. First, it was TimeTravel_0 who first posted on 2-NOV-2000, not Titor. Second, below is TimeTravel_0's initial post on this forum. Notice the date. It's 2-NOV-2000 the day after you say you created his profile here. Notice on the same line "Unregistered". Also note "IP: Logged".


"IP: Logged
TimeTravel_0
Unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16

TimeTravel_0

Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.

By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you."

TimeTravel_o didn't register until Raul Burriel aka MOP, the founder of this site, required everyone, including TTO and me, to register. The majority of us didn't register because it was not required. A few weeks later MOP decided everyone had to register due to too many sock puppet posters using other people's handles on multiple forums and causing disruption. Once he required registration our IP addresses were no longer displayed to the community on the "IP:" line. It stated "IP: Logged" on all posts, current and past. That's why you no longer see an IP address in the block.

In any case your assertion that Titor created his profile on November 1, 2000 is absolutely not the truth. The profile was created a few weeks later.
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Look, I respect you, but can you stop writing nonsense and will you finally stop denying what you can't know?. I think I've made many things clear, including the date of my first visit to this forum. There are other dates of visit, earlier ones, but we are talking about a profile from 2000.

Your correlation with lawyers who have appropriated someone else's name is interesting.

It would be interesting to talk to you when CERN completes work in the early 2030s on the technology to create the Higgs field, which is an important part of gravity distortion technology.
 
Time travel_Ο said:
TT0 and John Titor are just nicknames for different purposes.
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I'm absolutely aware of that fact. Boomer adopted John Titor because he had to make up a "real" name, i.e. first and last name, in order to register on Art Bell's forum Post-2-Post. That's because Art Bell didn't actually outright own the BBS. Premiere Radio Networks owned the site. Premiere is a very large US corporation and they had strict rules about registering on their radio programs' related forums including Post-2-Post. They then put Keith and Mary Rowland in charge of the BBS as SysOps, SysAdmins and Moderators. They also didn't allow members of the BBS to register withour "real" email addresses. By they they meant no free email accounts such as Hotmail (now called Gmail). To register you had to have an email issued by a paid ISP such as AOL. So Boomer invented the name John Titor in order to register on Post-2-Post. He borrowed the email address [email protected] from a female friend (not Pamela Moore). This was well documented through Pamela based on her private chatroom conversations with Titor/TTO. Pamela, Rick Donaldson and I were Moderators on Anomalies.net. Rick and I were also Admins. We all shared certain Titor information behind the scenes. Eventually Premiere Radio told Keith Rowland to go ahead and shut the BBS down. It was done at about 0300 hrs one morning without prior warning or notice. It was right in the middle of our posting. It wasn't shut down because of Titor. It was because Keith and Mary had told Premiere that the BBS in general was a "pain in the ass and not worth their time." I know this because Rick and I contacted Premiere Radio and Art Bell directly and asked why the site was shut down. The above was their answer.

But Pamela did keep the answer to "Name That Tune" to herself. I've asked you three times to Name That Tune.
 
The first time I logged in here, I read a post from you John, timestamped at the current day but the forum displayed ‘tomorrow’ and I loved the concept! Thanks for being back John.
To all, happy New Year Eve, here in Europe we’re just ahead of you but time’s relative, as we already know :)
 
Dapyks said:
The first time I logged in here, I read a post from you John, timestamped at the current day but the forum displayed ‘tomorrow’ and I loved the concept! Thanks for being back John.
To all, happy New Year Eve, here in Europe we’re just ahead of you but time’s relative, as we already know :)
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Did you know that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 8th, 1941?
 
Darby said:
Premiere is a very large US corporation and they had strict rules about registering on their radio programs' related forums including Post-2-Post. They then put Keith and Mary Rowland in charge of the BBS as SysOps, SysAdmins and Moderators. They also didn't allow members of the BBS to register withour "real" email addresses. By they they meant no free email accounts such as Hotmail (now called Gmail). To register you had to have an email issued by a paid ISP such as AOL. So Boomer invented the name John Titor in order to register on Post-2-Post.
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Just to further clarify why Premiere Radio Networks demanded a "real" first and last name and a "real" email address. Back in 2000 to about 2004 there were very few free email services. Of those that were available Hotmail had a corner on the market. Virtually everyone had a Hotmail account in addition to their "real" email account issued by their ISP. That Hotmail cornered the free email account market is why Google bought out the company.

Anyway, by forcing people to register with both a first and last name plus an email issued by their ISP Premiere was virtually assured that if someone got really out of hand on their BBS site they could track down a real person if necessary. People like John Titor could use a fake first and last name. People like Titor could borrow a real person's email and use it to register on a Premiere site. But the actual owner of the email account had to supply the ISP with a credit card. At that point one could truly say, "You can run but you can't hide." Titor was not an anonymous person. He was only anonymous to the people on the BBS. He wasn't anonymous to Art Bell because he supplied Bell with his street mail address on the return address label for photos he sent to Bell. He wasn't anonymous to Raul Burriel (MOP) here because he would occasionally forget to to log in using his TimeTravel_0 IP address. On those occasions he would log in using the IP address that he had always used on this site before he became TimeTravel_0. This information came to me directly from MOP. He didn't disclose the information because the then current TOS Agreement forbid him from doing so. He offered to sell me the site and point me to the information in the Admin Logs that revealed his identity. He wasn't anonymous to his ISP. And he would not have been anonymous to Premiere Radio Networks.
 
One of many reasons I was too scared as a teenager to even try signing up for Art's Post to Post. It all seemed so official and intimidating back then, like you had to know exactly what you were doing or risk looking like a total idiot.

Darby, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate having someone like you around who actually witnessed all this unfold. So many people today just assume they know how Raul, Keith, or Art ran things, or what tools they had to work with but the internet was such a different place back then. It wasn’t the chaotic free for all that some imagine today. It was made up of smaller, more controlled spaces where accountability was built into the system and tracking someone down wasn’t all that hard if it really came to it.

I’m still in the process of building a complete "Titor archive" with filterable posts, tags, and everything else it needs (something I really should have done back in 2014 when I bought the place.) The memories and context you’re sharing are absolutely invaluable for being able to tell the full story. And whether you like it or not, I want you to know that you’ll also be immortalized in this story. Perspectives like this are such an important part of all this and I’m grateful that you’re still here to share it.

Beyond just the story itself, what really fascinates me is the context: the internet as it was back then and the people who were there to witness and interact with it. I don’t care whether Titor was real or not and I imagine most people who understand the story beyond just a passing knowledge feel the same way. What mattered is that it was interesting. It was a story that resonated with dreams, insecurities and the cultural mood of the early 2000s. It’s a time capsule, a snapshot of what people were thinking and feeling at that moment in time. That’s the reason I keep this site up, and it’s voices like yours, capturing that context, that keep it alive, meaningful and worth exploring today.

And that's today's TED talk. Happy new year!
 
Time travel_Ο said:
At this moment, a few hours ago my older version first created a profile on this forum, after a while my older version will start posting at the same time as me, thus linking past and present in a single cycle. I will be here for a while while one of the stages is being carried out, in a few days a test of the global, anonymous communication system will be carried out in different parts of the world, so I will be absent sometimes, just like my older version, which in the past will lay the foundation for the actions of the present.
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Dude, what the absolute fuck
 
Jared Thompson PhD said:
John, the chances are you are a well-meaning hoaxer, but on the off chance you are not, I wanted to tell you that I've been waiting to talk to you for my whole life.

You should know that the Future Circular Collider you said was required to prepare and clean singularities is being built in Switzerland. The U.S. civil war you predicted, however, has not come to pass - yet. Many things that might have lead to the civil war continue to happen - the U.S. government has been revealed to be totally corrupt, and we are on the cusp of realizing a national movement of populism against it. I wonder if your presence on this timeline has pushed the civil war back somehow.

In other news, a Canadian science team has detected motion on the negative time axis a few weeks ago; something absolutely required for the machine to work. What hasn't been worked out - to my knowledge - is the ability to use a singularity to warp temporal motion. Yet.

In other news, we are nearing a state of nuclear war with Russia. The ground war in Europe you discussed is happening, years after your prediction. Anyway, I hope this is you for real.
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It's me follow me or some shit. No time now
 
Darby said:
Just to further clarify why Premiere Radio Networks demanded a "real" first and last name and a "real" email address. Back in 2000 to about 2004 there were very few free email services. Of those that were available Hotmail had a corner on the market. Virtually everyone had a Hotmail account in addition to their "real" email account issued by their ISP. That Hotmail cornered the free email account market is why Google bought out the company.

Anyway, by forcing people to register with both a first and last name plus an email issued by their ISP Premiere was virtually assured that if someone got really out of hand on their BBS site they could track down a real person if necessary. People like John Titor could use a fake first and last name. People like Titor could borrow a real person's email and use it to register on a Premiere site. But the actual owner of the email account had to supply the ISP with a credit card. At that point one could truly say, "You can run but you can't hide." Titor was not an anonymous person. He was only anonymous to the people on the BBS. He wasn't anonymous to Art Bell because he supplied Bell with his street mail address on the return address label for photos he sent to Bell. He wasn't anonymous to Raul Burriel (MOP) here because he would occasionally forget to to log in using his TimeTravel_0 IP address. On those occasions he would log in using the IP address that he had always used on this site before he became TimeTravel_0. This information came to me directly from MOP. He didn't disclose the information because the then current TOS Agreement forbid him from doing so. He offered to sell me the site and point me to the information in the Admin Logs that revealed his identity. He wasn't anonymous to his ISP. And he would not have been anonymous to Premiere Radio Networks.
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Sorry for my long absence from this forum.

I'll start answering. I see in this thread there is a person claiming to be a traveler from the 2060s, it's a fake. He is not a traveler and does not have the technology to move, but I will be happy to receive any messages from him and from you.
 
Darby said:
Just to further clarify why Premiere Radio Networks demanded a "real" first and last name and a "real" email address. Back in 2000 to about 2004 there were very few free email services. Of those that were available Hotmail had a corner on the market. Virtually everyone had a Hotmail account in addition to their "real" email account issued by their ISP. That Hotmail cornered the free email account market is why Google bought out the company.

Anyway, by forcing people to register with both a first and last name plus an email issued by their ISP Premiere was virtually assured that if someone got really out of hand on their BBS site they could track down a real person if necessary. People like John Titor could use a fake first and last name. People like Titor could borrow a real person's email and use it to register on a Premiere site. But the actual owner of the email account had to supply the ISP with a credit card. At that point one could truly say, "You can run but you can't hide." Titor was not an anonymous person. He was only anonymous to the people on the BBS. He wasn't anonymous to Art Bell because he supplied Bell with his street mail address on the return address label for photos he sent to Bell. He wasn't anonymous to Raul Burriel (MOP) here because he would occasionally forget to to log in using his TimeTravel_0 IP address. On those occasions he would log in using the IP address that he had always used on this site before he became TimeTravel_0. This information came to me directly from MOP. He didn't disclose the information because the then current TOS Agreement forbid him from doing so. He offered to sell me the site and point me to the information in the Admin Logs that revealed his identity. He wasn't anonymous to his ISP. And he would not have been anonymous to Premiere Radio Networks.
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About the song, I've answered this before and more than once.

As for the brothers and the whole story, I have also answered many times. I tried to convey the fact that what you see and know is an elaborate hoax from some organizations, which for some reason decided that they have some right to what happened in the period from 1998 to 2001.

In the first fax to Art, we made one very important point. “It is not possible to travel into the future after the year 2564”, do you want to know why?. The fact is that more advanced technology of distortion of gravity will allow to create conditions for the emergence of imitation “big bang” inside our space, roughly speaking in the future modification of this technology will allow to create their own universes. Time distortion technology was the starting point. In the near future you can move between world lines, and in the more distant future - between world lines and artificial universes, but the attempt to create an artificial big bang in the canvas of time space in the future led to a catastrophe of planetary scale.
 
Hello John! With your advanced technology, is it easier to travel backwards or forwards? I know you can’t disclose details, however it seems that a leap into the future requires far more energy than going back to the past, am I right?
 
People continue to discuss the Titor "Time Travel Gadget" as if it was representative of actual physics. Here's what TimeTravel_0 (TTO) had to say to Pamela in one of their private chatroooms. Pamela posted the following with, as it says, permission:

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pamela
Member posted 06 November 2000 22:13
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posted with permission:
TimeTravel_0-

Greetings:

Pamela: 1. can you explain to me in detail the basic physics and mathematics behind how the machine operates? and exactly how it distorts gravity.

TimeTravel_0: For those asking how come a microsingularity doesn't swallow the Earth or want to know details about the size, stability, mass, temperature and resulting Hawking radiation from such a thing.. those details I must keep to myself.

Note that TTO says that he doesn't want to talk about the details concerning the mass of his black holes or Hawking radiation. But he does acknowledge that Hawking radiation is a factor to consider as is mass. They factor in so much that he has to keep those details to himself.

Unfortunately for Boomer, the author playing the role of Titor/TTO, he did state the mass of the Time Gadget. The details of the physics behind Hawking radiation isn't a secret and are known (apparently to everyone but Boomer)

Here is what Titor said about the mass of his Gadget:

Posted by John Titor on 01-30-2001 06:21 AM “I Am From 2036”:

<snip for brevity> The means by which I travel in time is very physical. I require a “machine” to do it. It weighs about 500 pounds and gets quite hot.

So the mass of the entire gadget, box, components and two micro-mass black holes was 500 lbs. That converts to about 226 kg. Round that down to 225 kg because it makes the math simpler - and at these scales 1 kg is irrelevant.

If the whole gadget is 225 kg then:

Let the mass of the box and components be 25 kg. Let the mass of each micro-mass black hole be 100 kg. So what will be going on with a couple of micro-mass black holes in your back yard (and by back yard I mean your planet aka Earth)?

How long will it take one of Titor’s 100 kg black holes to evaporate? The time (t) can be estimated using the formula:

t≈5120πG^2M^3/ℏc^4

Let the following equal:

  • G is the gravitational constant (6.674×10^-11 m^3 kg -1s^-2)
  • ℏ (h-bar) is the reduced Planck constant (1.055×10^-34 J/s)
  • c is the speed of light (3.00×10^8 m/s)
  • M is the mass of the black hole in kilograms
  • 5120 is a dimensionless scaling factor derived from the Stefan-Boltzman Law
Plug and chug and the approximate time for a 100 kg black hole to evaporate by Hawking Radiation will be 8.4*10^-11 seconds. In about one hundred millionth of a billionth of a second 100 kg of mass will be converted to pure energy.
At a distance of 100 km (60 miles) from the evaporated black hole what will the temperature (T) be? Using the Stefan-Boltzman Law:

T = (P/4r^2σ)^1/4

  • P is the power radiated from a black hole
  • R is the radial distance from the black hole
  • σ (lower case sigma) is the Stefan-Boltzman Constant 5.67*10^-8 W/m^2K^2
  • At the temperatures we are considering a temperature given in Kelvin is the same as a temperature given in Celsius.
Plug and chug and you discover that the temperature 100 km/60 miles from the black hole 10^-11 seconds later is ~22,200,000 K (or Celsius) or 40 million degrees F. Just for comparison, the temperature of our star Sol, at its core where the nuclear fusion is taking place, is about 15 million Kelvin or 22 million degrees Fahrenheit.

The earth, of course, is a globe with a circumference of ~40,000 km. The greatest distance you can separate two objects on the surface is half that value, 20,000 km. So what is the temperature 20,000 km away, on the surface, considering the surface is a globe? It’s 1,370,000 Kelvin (1,370,000 degrees Celsius).

In other words, if you exposed our little planet to a 100 kg micro-mass black hole it will completely evaporate in about one hundred millionth of a billionth of a second and instantly raise the surface temperature of the entire planet to about 1.37 million degrees Celsius which is 228 times hotter than the surface of the sun.

One can hand wave all they want and talk about Wiggle VGLs and gravity til the cows come home. But this is just one place in the Titor Saga where his version of physics fails the reality check.











 
Darby said:
raise the surface temperature of the entire planet to about 1.37 million degrees Celsius
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It would raise the temperature at the greatest possible distance away, while remaining on the surface, to 1,370,000 Kelvin. The average temperature will be around 3 million Kelvin. Life on Earth would not survive this event which is equal to setting off a 2,150 megaton nuclear device. And remember - according to Titor there are two such black holes, not just one.
 
Darby said:
It would raise the temperature at the greatest possible distance away, while remaining on the surface, to 1,370,000 Kelvin. The average temperature will be around 3 million Kelvin. Life on Earth would not survive this event which is equal to setting off a 2,150 megaton nuclear device. And remember - according to Titor there are two such black holes, not just one.
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These equations you refer to are quite complex and difficult to do without making mistakes. They also require a lot more factors than you list, such as surface area and the hole's density or gravity constant, whether it's rotating, or feeding, etc. Not trying to criticize you, just curious what your background or experience is in making these calculations. You seem to have a lot of knowledge in these things.

I need to point out that the quantum foam that is all over the place contains zillions of tiny black holes that fully evaporate, and they do not raise the temperature of your body yet alone the surface of the earth.

And, finally, even just outside of the event horizon of a black hole, there is massive time distortion where to a far away observer, time is slowed down. This retards the propagation of electromagnetic waves, making them seem to almost stand still. So, how does the heat travel? Or, are you saying half the pair of virtual particles goes flying out at such a speed that when it collides with something else it registers as intense heat?
 
Cosmo said:
One of many reasons I was too scared as a teenager to even try signing up for Art's Post to Post. It all seemed so official and intimidating back then, like you had to know exactly what you were doing or risk looking like a total idiot.

Darby, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate having someone like you around who actually witnessed all this unfold. So many people today just assume they know how Raul, Keith, or Art ran things, or what tools they had to work with but the internet was such a different place back then. It wasn’t the chaotic free for all that some imagine today. It was made up of smaller, more controlled spaces where accountability was built into the system and tracking someone down wasn’t all that hard if it really came to it.

I’m still in the process of building a complete "Titor archive" with filterable posts, tags, and everything else it needs (something I really should have done back in 2014 when I bought the place.) The memories and context you’re sharing are absolutely invaluable for being able to tell the full story. And whether you like it or not, I want you to know that you’ll also be immortalized in this story. Perspectives like this are such an important part of all this and I’m grateful that you’re still here to share it.

Beyond just the story itself, what really fascinates me is the context: the internet as it was back then and the people who were there to witness and interact with it. I don’t care whether Titor was real or not and I imagine most people who understand the story beyond just a passing knowledge feel the same way. What mattered is that it was interesting. It was a story that resonated with dreams, insecurities and the cultural mood of the early 2000s. It’s a time capsule, a snapshot of what people were thinking and feeling at that moment in time. That’s the reason I keep this site up, and it’s voices like yours, capturing that context, that keep it alive, meaningful and worth exploring today.

And that's today's TED talk. Happy new year!
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Thank you for the kind words, Cosmo. Going "way back" when I was one of the Admins and Moderators on Anomalies as well as being a member here and on Paranormalis Rick and I decided that it was important to do our best to keep all of the original materials concerning Titor/TTO archived in their original, or as close thereto as possible, form. It wasn't that we believed the back story. It was the historical aspect of documenting the initial growth of the World Wide Web through this one story. For instance, as it applies to early growth and your reference to the somewhat "controlled" free for all it appeared to be, back in 2000 to 2004 few people had any sort of internet security on their rigs. A hardware based security device was expensive and the software was not readily available. None of us really had a clue about how often someone was trying to break into our systems over the internet. Then on Anomalies and here the regulars started installing software firewalls and antivirus programs. We knew that we were on BBS systems that were populated with an extraordinary number of...well...psychotics and sociopaths. But when we started monitoring we discovered dozens to hundreds of illegal attempts to break in every day. We put a stop to the vast majority of it. The worst of the worst actually weren't the Snowflake Pro-Titorians. It was the Rabid Dog Anti-Titorians who saw him as both a real time traveler and a potential physical threat to their well being. Yikes. "Is only game. Why you heff be so mad?" ~Goalie Ilya Bryzgalov
 
Time travel_Ο said:
About AI. Forget about it, it is not capable of inventing anything on its own. Do you seriously think that large corporations that so strongly control freedom and every human being will create an independent and uncontrollable consciousness?

You are sorely mistaken and that's the reason I'm here.
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Commenting just to say that this is going to age like raw unpasteurized milk. AGI is already here. OpenAI has just been slowing the rollout of o3 so as not to disrupt things too fast. The next target is ASI and it appears that's going to happen even faster than expected now too. I used to look to 2036 but we're really now looking at like 2028.
 
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