RE: Deleting long posts, browbeating yes, evidence no!
Well hopefully I haven't offended anyone. When the people who believed that satan was a means of time travel showed up I was merely explaining why he was deceiving them (kind of like when fake time travelers show up and claim to have seen the future and everyone explains why they are fake). I tried to make sure my responses were polite.
But TTA, incase you wanted to remind yourself of it, I saved the post
Guess I got a heads up from God or something that time was drawing to an end on this topic huh?
Here you can copy and save the answer for yourself:
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Mike I've come to the conclusion that you will say or do anything to come across as correct. From insulting me to flat out lying. I can turn the other cheek. But now I will answer exactly what you have asked so that no one can say otherwise. While you have seen fit to reference all sorts of material, you request that I be limited to just the bible. A bit one sided but since you have me using only the bible, the odds are in my favor. In your own words you ask -
>"The Xians tell me the devil is real. Below I have proved the >devil is not a created entity. Now prove to me that what I >wrote below is bogus, using YOUR OWN bible."
Using the bible just as you have asked I will give you proof that Satan is 1)created and 2)very much real. But note that you have just admitted that you hold the bible to be a book of TRUTH since you have asked for the proof to be shown from there. I'm glad to see you admit that the bible is a factual resource...
...and I will do so just as you have asked with ONLY the Bible.
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MIKE said:
"The Xians tell me the devil is real. Below I have proved the devil is not a created entity.
TRUTH:
Colossians 1:16, 17. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Now that the bible has "clearly" stated that ALL things were created by God let us be more specific to the creation of Lucifer a.k.a. Satan a.k.a. The Devil.
What was the origin of Lucifer? What responsible position did he hold? How does the Bible describe him?
"Thou was created." Ezekiel 28:13, 15. "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth." Ezekiel 28:14. "Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty ... every precious stone was thy covering ... the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. ... Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Ezekiel 28:12-15.
Lucifer was created by God, as were all other angels (Ephesians 3). Lucifer was a "covering" cherub, or angel. One great angel stands on the left side of God's throne and another on the right (Psalm 99:1). Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leaders. Lucifer's beauty was flawless and breathtaking. His wisdom was perfect. His brightness was awe-inspiring. Ezekiel 28:13 seems to indicate that his throat was specially prepared to make him an outstanding musician. Some think he led the angelic choir.
Now to make sure we are not mistaking someone else for The Devil, let's find out using scripture a.k.a. The Bible.
With whom did sin originate?
"The devil sinneth from the beginning." 1 John 3:8. "That old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan." Revelation 12.
Satan, also called the devil, is the originator of sin. Without the Scriptures, the origin of evil would remain unexplained.
What was Satan's name before he sinned? Where was he living at that time?
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" Isaiah 14:12. Jesus said, "I behold Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Luke 10:18. "Thou wast upon the holy mountain of God." Ezekiel 28:14.
His name was Lucifer, and he was living in heaven. Lucifer is symbolized by the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 and as the king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28.
MIKE said:
>"...Now prove to me that what I wrote below is bogus, using YOUR OWN bible."
TRUTH:
Using my bible, Mike, The source you asked for proof to be shown from, I have shown you what you have asked. Satan is real. You can play with words and you can deny him until the cows come home. But the truth is that Angels, good and bad exist.
Now that I have proven to you that Satan was created by God, using only the bible, allow me to share some "extra" notes for you to ponder from a book by Joe Crews .
"If they are real beings, some might ask, why can't we see them? How many believe that a glass of water is full of little wiggling bits of life? Of course, we all believe it. That water is full of germ life, and if we could look at a drop through the microscope right now, it would come alive with movement. There are lots of things that are real that we cannot see or hear. The room where you sit is full of voices of all kinds. Music is filling the room at this very moment, but you cannot hear it. All we need to do is bring in a radio and turn it on. Immediately we can hear these sounds which fill the air. The fact that we cannot see or hear a thing is no proof that it does not exist."
Mike I truly believe that God is calling you and you don't realize it. Something is tugging at your heart. It's calling you to be here day after day. You claim to want nothing of God, yet you continue to spark debate about him. Mike, surrender to God and you will see the many wonderful things he has in store for you. As always, I will keep you at the top of my Prayer list.
As always God Bless.
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