Titor

[antiskepticspray]

It seems that John Titor has become something of a religious Icon, here... there.... and everywhere. The parallels to religious prophets who have come before are striking. For example religious prophets anounce who they areboldly, and make bold predictions about the future, wildly chastise their flock, and create multiple disciples, often choosing a few, or perhaps a single favorite.

Scholars sit around debating if the prophet really was who he said he was and wether or not he spoke the truth. Some believe with blind faith in the word of the prophet- others attempt to debunk the prophet citing the truth of science or some other speculative subject that prooves he was not who he said he was.

Often times the prophet said things that are simple common sense but commen sense isnt always the easiest thing to accept. Nor is it the easiest thing to see. People pretend to be the prophet returned from oblivion- and debunkers feed on the lies and deception of the imposter some citing that prophet never existed and it is all a lie, still others scream foul over an abrupt attempt at identity theft.

And truth be told everyone of the scholars sit around and wait for the prophets return.

JT sounds a bit like.... JC.

Now imagine that prophet leaving a secret handshake with a disciple before leaving. Why would he do this?

To be able to ensure the disciple would recognize him. The motivation here would be a personal one to ensure the disciple and he could meet again even if the prophet were in different form. It would be foolish for the disciple to share the handshake with one single person because anyone would be able to decieve the disciple and lay claim if it were in turn shared again and again by strangers.

The second reason the prophet would share the handshake with the disciple would be if he were a fake, so that at a time of his choosing he could reveal himself in his true form to the disciple, and the disciple would know the truth.

The third reason for a prophet to share a secret handshake with a disciple would be in the case of the Prophet never existing at all. The handshake doesnt even need to exist, in this case, just the idea of a handshake. The disciple would then be able to claim ownership of the prophets identity if they should ever choose and be the one and only person able to debunk all other claims, without having to explain the reason they know the imposter is an imposter because they were the imposter the first place.

But that is all just speculation because there has never been a prophet and disciple that shared a secret handshake in the event the departing prophet ever returned. Especially when the prophet made it SO very clear that they would not return nor would they be able to return.

At least not to my knowledge.

 

[Kanigo2]

I get your point , but would you like to put some names to those fictional characters and allow them to answer for themselves?

Really no point to beating around the bush here.

Thinly veiled motives won't get you very far in this forum, spit it out.

 

[antiskepticspray]

There are no names, or thinly veiled motives. Just a thought on my part, that I felt like sharing. You do encourage open minded discussion here in this forum do you not?

Besides if there is one thing I have learned posting over the years, people hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see. It doesn't matter what I say or what I show them. No one is blinder than the blind man swimming in the Nile.

SO, since we're here and since we are talking why don't you tell me what you heard in my original post? I bet it was ONLY the last three paragraphs, judging by the Zeal of your response.

 

[Darby]

ASP,

It seems that John Titor has become something of a religious Icon, here... there.... and everywhere. The parallels to religious prophets who have come before are striking. For example religious prophets anounce who they areboldly, and make bold predictions about the future, wildly chastise their flock, and create multiple disciples, often choosing a few, or perhaps a single favorite.

I don't know if the equating of TTO/Titor to a religious icon is really accurate though I do agree that it seems that there are some people among the Believers who appear to have elevated him to that level - at least from the perspective of a surface look at their positions. You should probably take into consideration in your JT = JC position that "Titor" as a name only existed, while he posted, during the last few weeks that he was posting after he opened a new thread on the Art Bell forum. During the majority of his posting he was known as TimeTravel_0 and not John Titor. The "religious fervor" only became real after August of 2003, two-and-a-half years after he stopped posting. The discussion of TTO/JT prior to that was virtually limited to this site and Anomalies.net (where we moved the discussion after Art Bell closed the Post-2-Post forum). At most there were maybe a dozen regular posters discussing the topic while he was posting and during the two years after he stopped posting.

By the end of 2001 the "John Titor" topic was almost a dead topic. I was the Mod of the Anomalies "Time Travel" forum (later joined by Pamela) and a site Admin as well. Anomalies was an established site for what I call the "Marz Barz" discussion as we were the primary host for The Enterprise Mission (Richard Hoagland's Mars site). The Time Travel forum was a new addition addded because Art Bell closed his forum. I purposely pumped up the John Titor discussion to attract the "lost" members of the suddenly closed-without-prior-notice Art Bell Post-2-Post John Titor discussion group. (Sorry about that but it was business.) On this site the discussion had devolved to nonsense personal posts between the few members who were still posting after Titor left. I contacted the site owner (MOP) and asked him to get a moderator for the TT forum because there was none. I then pumped the topic here. The nonsense personal posts became fewer and the discussion of the TTO/JT topic was renewed (not to mention the renewal of the TT topic in general). The effort was successful to the extent that the two sites were active.

But in August of 2003 the situation changed dramatically. "JTFan", in less than 48 hours, blitzed the Internet and UseNet with spam posts - thousands of them - promoting The Book. The John Titor Foundation was born during the blitz. The JTF is headed by an entertainment attorney (Larry Haber) who had access to an audio recording studio, motion picture studio and graphic arts studio all housed (at that time) in the same building where his office was locatiod (he was General Counsel for the business VISI Corp). That's where your John Titor story took off. Oliver WIlliams soon thereafter started his JohnTitor.com site. The email address of "JTFan", BTW, was shared by several people at the John Titor Foundation as they promoted not only The Book but The Radio Program. (This is a viable answer to the question of if it was a hoax who would have the ability to create such detailed graphics and a prop "time machine" - a movie/graphic arts studio.)

others attempt to debunk the prophet citing the truth of science or some other speculative subject that prooves he was not who he said he was

Its somewhat unfortunate that you lump "speculative subject(s)" in with science. If you carefully review the JT Saga you'll discover that TTO/Titor introduced physical science into the mix. That people use the same science as a basis for criticism of the story is not only fair but it is consistent with the thesis as posed by Boomer (the author of the John Titor Saga).

Now imagine that prophet leaving a secret handshake with a disciple before leaving. Why would he do this?

Now I do agree with your assessment here. The secret handshake is the title of The Song that TTO/Titor shared with Pamela. The name of the song relates to the place that he told Pamela, prima secculus, to retreat to "when the bombs start falling".

 

[recall15]

NAVIGEMVS OMNES

Now I do agree with your assessment here. The secret handshake is the title of The Song that TTO/Titor shared with Pamela. The name of the song relates to the place that he told Pamela, prima secculus, to retreat to "when the bombs start falling".

Ave amici,

Fortuna audaces iuuat

sacculus meus plenus est aranearum

Gratias plurimas,

<font color="blue"> Salve, Pamela [/COLOR]

 

[Kanigo2]

You do encourage open minded discussion here in this forum do you not?

Of course.

My only point of the matter is , is that the very people that have been here all along still come here.

No point in speculating about the "level of enthusiasm" or "secret handshakes" when you can just ask them.

Thanks for answering Darby.

If ya want to talk to Pamela, you could just speak up and ask her.

 

[pamela]

Now imagine that prophet leaving a secret handshake with a disciple before leaving. Why would he do this?

To be able to ensure the disciple would recognize him. The motivation here would be a personal one to ensure the disciple and he could meet again even if the prophet were in different form. It would be foolish for the disciple to share the handshake with one single person because anyone would be able to decieve the disciple and lay claim if it were in turn shared again and again by strangers.

The second reason the prophet would share the handshake with the disciple would be if he were a fake, so that at a time of his choosing he could reveal himself in his true form to the disciple, and the disciple would know the truth.

The third reason for a prophet to share a secret handshake with a disciple would be in the case of the Prophet never existing at all. The handshake doesnt even need to exist, in this case, just the idea of a handshake. The disciple would then be able to claim ownership of the prophets identity if they should ever choose and be the one and only person able to debunk all other claims, without having to explain the reason they know the imposter is an imposter because they were the imposter the first place.

But that is all just speculation because there has never been a prophet and disciple that shared a secret handshake in the event the departing prophet ever returned. Especially when the prophet made it SO very clear that they would not return nor would they be able to return.

At least not to my knowledge.

<font color="blue"> wow talk about exaggerating things. I am really sorry I ever shared anything about John. I should have just kept my mouth shut and stopped posting about him after he left. I should have never even mentioned the song. Infact there are several things I should have kept quiet about. I won't answer any more questions about it because frankly it wasn't meant for the public to know. It got thrown out there in all of the excitement at the time. It is no big deal and everyone should just forget about it. It got blown out of proportion just like everything else did.

In all honesty I kind of wish I would have never met John. [/COLOR]

 

[Kanigo2]

The second reason the prophet would share the handshake with the disciple would be if he were a fake, so that at a time of his choosing he could reveal himself in his true form to the disciple, and the disciple would know the truth.

The third reason for a prophet to share a secret handshake with a disciple would be in the case of the Prophet never existing at all. The handshake doesnt even need to exist, in this case, just the idea of a handshake. The disciple would then be able to claim ownership of the prophets identity if they should ever choose and be the one and only person able to debunk all other claims, without having to explain the reason they know the imposter is an imposter because they were the imposter the first place.

But that is all just speculation because there has never been a prophet and disciple that shared a secret handshake in the event the departing prophet ever returned. Especially when the prophet made it SO very clear that they would not return nor would they be able to return.

I swear there are just some things I should stay out of... I just didn't like where it was going.

(Edit: and I can see from the next post that I was right..)

 

[antiskepticspray]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

Dangerous Path? Sounds Like a threat to me.

Fortune favors the bold? It does, doesn't it?

Another pursuer in your spider web? Sounds like a confession of some sort.

I hate when people talk in Latin. It's a dead language. Let me ask this, do you do it because it makes you feel smarter? Or do you do it because you want to pass secrets...

Here is a latin Song I had to learn when I was a little boy, a long time ago....

Veni, veni, Emmanuel,
Captivum solve Israel
Qui gemit in exilio,
Privatus Dei Filio.

Gaude! Gaude! Emmanuel
Nascetur pro te, Israel.

Veni, O Sapientia,
Quae hic disponis omnia;
Veni, viam prudentiae
Ut doceas et gloria

Veni, veni, Adonai,
Qui populo in Sinai
Legem dedisti vertice
In majestate gloriae.


Veni, O Jesse Virgula,
Ex hostis tuos ungula;
De secu tuos tartari
Educ et antro barathri.


Veni, Clavis Davidica,
Regna reclude caelica,
Fac iter tutum superum,
Et claude vias inferum.


Veni, veni, O Oriens
Solari nos adveniens,
Noctis depelle nebulas,
Dirasque mortis tenebras.


Veni, veni, Rex gentium
Veni, Redemptor omnium,
Ut salvas tuos famulos
Peccati sibi conscios.

I don't know who Jesse was but I knew one of his cousin, he was a Baptist. He Had a Mule and her name was Sal. Which reminds me of another Latin song:

I've got a mule quod suus nomen est Sal
Quindecim miles in Erie Canalis
She's a bonus vetus opus quod a bonus vetus pal
Quindecim miles in Erie Canalis

Nos haul'd nonnullus barges in nostrum dies
Repletus per lumber, carbo carbonis, quod faenum fenum
Nos teneo sulum inch of via
Ex Albany ut Plaga

Mugio pontus, everybody down
Mugio pontus, yeah we're coming ut a urbs
Quod you'll usquequaque teneo vestri vicinus
Quod you'll usquequaque teneo vestri pal
Si ya umquam navigo in Erie Canalis

Or something like that. Now I thank you since I am new here for indulging my Lyrical nonsense temporarily. I will from time to time find myself doing such a thing and I will from time to time indulge in sarcasm, so I will ask for your patience and forgiveness in doing so. At this point I have not figured out yet how to quote properly, so please understand i may be a Newb to you and others but quite soon we'll be holding hands and skipping merrily through the daisy and flowered filled green meadows, whistling songs about the bright, bright future.

Please see my responses below.

I don't know if the equating of TTO/Titor to a religious icon is really accurate though I do agree that it seems that there are some people among the Believers who appear to have elevated him to that level - at least from the perspective of a surface look at their positions.

I think it is very fair after numerous discussions of JT that he has become every bit a religious Icon and far deeper than the surface in many cases. Faced with the truth some people will never believe.

You should probably take into consideration in your JT = JC position that "Titor" as a name only existed, while he posted, during the last few weeks that he was posting after he opened a new thread on the Art Bell forum.

Let me make sure I am clear here because I may have been a little unclear- I do not think JT=JC I do think there are many parralels in a very General way to JC... minus the miracles, the passion, the death on the cross, and the ressurection after death followed by assension into heaven etc...

During the majority of his posting he was known as TimeTravel_0 and not John Titor.

I was not aware of that. Thank you.

The "religious fervor" only became real after August of 2003, two-and-a-half years after he stopped posting. The discussion of TTO/JT prior to that was virtually limited to this site and Anomalies.net (where we moved the discussion after Art Bell closed the Post-2-Post forum). At most there were maybe a dozen regular posters discussing the topic while he was posting and during the two years after he stopped posting.

I arrived shortly after and read an awful lot of the threads. I do not profess to know it all, as I was not an original participant. Why did Art close his post 2 post forum?

By the end of 2001 the "John Titor" topic was almost a dead topic. I was the Mod of the Anomalies "Time Travel" forum (later joined by Pamela) and a site Admin as well. Anomalies was an established site for what I call the "Marz Barz" discussion as we were the primary host for The Enterprise Mission (Richard Hoagland's Mars site). The Time Travel forum was a new addition addded because Art Bell closed his forum. I purposely pumped up the John Titor discussion to attract the "lost" members of the suddenly closed-without-prior-notice Art Bell Post-2-Post John Titor discussion group. (Sorry about that but it was business.)

I appreciate the candor.

But in August of 2003 the situation changed dramatically. "JTFan", in less than 48 hours, blitzed the Internet and UseNet with spam posts - thousands of them - promoting The Book. The John Titor Foundation was born during the blitz. The JTF is headed by an entertainment attorney (Larry Haber) who had access to an audio recording studio, motion picture studio and graphic arts studio all housed (at that time) in the same building where his office was locatiod (he was General Counsel for the business VISI Corp). That's where your John Titor story took off. Oliver WIlliams soon thereafter started his JohnTitor.com site. The email address of "JTFan", BTW, was shared by several people at the John Titor Foundation as they promoted not only The Book but The Radio Program. (This is a viable answer to the question of if it was a hoax who would have the ability to create such detailed graphics and a prop "time machine" - a movie/graphic arts studio.)

Haber is taking advantage of the situation IMO- he saw an indefensible position (If it was real how could JT's real Mom and Pop go after him for stealing the story without endangering their young son john who should be 10ish about now. If its false then the hoaxer would have to reveal himself and that would destroy the allure of the legend.) Habers a scumbag lawyer to be certain and hes behind the money making end of it, but he's not JT. I wouldn't believe him with a signed confession and witnesses. Someone else is Titor.

Its somewhat unfortunate that you lump "speculative subject(s)" in with science. If you carefully review the JT Saga you'll discover that TTO/Titor introduced physical science into the mix. That people use the same science as a basis for criticism of the story is not only fair but it is consistent with the thesis as posed by Boomer (the author of the John Titor Saga).

I did not mean to lump, I meant to include both seperately- but equal. I agree 100% that if you are going to bring science into the mix it must be argued by its adversaries. I am dissappointed that the participants focused on the science as a manner of debunking JT and not the culture expressed in his posts. I think there is far more evidence in his descriptions of culture, daily life and religion to debunk than the science. The best part is JT nearly begged for someone to challange his descriptions of culture. (Asking for further description of culture is not challanging it.) But they jumped at the chance to attack the science.

Now I do agree with your assessment here. The secret handshake is the title of The Song that TTO/Titor shared with Pamela. The name of the song relates to the place that he told Pamela, prima secculus, to retreat to "when the bombs start falling".

The secret song reminds me of Divergence factors, and the 2008 Olympics. It is vanity personified. If John was going to reconnect with her why announce it? He'll bring it up himself.

My only point of the matter is , is that the very people that have been here all along still come here.

Do you think John still comes here?

No point in speculating about the "level of enthusiasm" or "secret handshakes" when you can just ask them.

Thanks for answering Darby.

If ya want to talk to Pamela, you could just speak up and ask her.

I'm not interested in talking to Pamela. I'm interested in talking to the others.

 

[recall15]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

I'm not interested in talking to Pamela. I'm interested in talking to the others.

Please Define:
who are the Others?

Then:



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[Darby]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

ASP,

It was a rather long post so I'll try to handle the parts as individual posts.

Why did Art close his post 2 post forum?

I'm not sure why he shut the site down. I can say that I contacted both Art Bell and Premier Radio Networks (then) President/COO Kraig Kitchin and asked them why the forum was shut down during the night without any prior notice to the forum members. Both of them replied that the decision was made by them and site Admin Keith Rowland at a meeting "for business purposes". It appears that the business purpose was to re-open the forum as a "for fee" site. You can get onto the new forum now only if you are a paid subscriber. There was no indication that it was closed for any reason related to the Titor discussion. At the time the Titor discussion was just another topic concerning alt-sci on a large public BBS "hosted" by a popular radio entertainer (Art Bell).

 

[Darby]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

ASP,

Haber is taking advantage of the situation IMO- he saw an indefensible position (If it was real how could JT's real Mom and Pop go after him for stealing the story without endangering their young son john who should be 10ish about now. If its false then the hoaxer would have to reveal himself and that would destroy the allure of the legend.) Habers a scumbag lawyer to be certain and hes behind the money making end of it, but he's not JT. I wouldn't believe him with a signed confession and witnesses. Someone else is Titor

I think that it's unfair not to mention false to describe Larry Haber as a "scumbag". From everything that I've been able to gather about him he's a well respected member of the Florida and California bar and a mover and shaker in the film industry. While I've entertained (pun intended) the idea that he might be Boomer I really believe that he's the legal conduit for an associate/client who is Boomer.

When you break down how the story appears to have come here to TTI first the Celebration connection stands out. MOP, our site Admin and owner. was also the original SysOp, Admin and Mod for the Celebration (Florida) community BBS. Larry Haber was the first person to move into the Disney developed community. MOP placed a hot link on the Celebration forum to this site. Ultimately Haber becomes the attorney and General Manager of the John Titor Foundation which is based in Celebration. Titor made his first appearance (to our knowledge) on a BBS forum here.

As an aside, he appeared a month before on a UK site's IRC (October 2000) late one night. The chief person with whom he conversed that night was Yariesa, who is a member on Anomalies.net (Shana aka MysticWarrior). She's still there and posted a "shout" about two weeks ago. Just as he appeared here on 2-NOV-2000 he used the handle TimeTravel_0, not John Titor, in the October 2000 IRC.

Even with that said he actually made his first "appearance" during the summer of 1998 by submitting two faxes to Art Bell which were read on the air by Art. What's both problematic and unavoidable is how TTO/Titor described Y2K in the 1998 faxes. He, just as Gary North was saying on the show when he was a guest, described Y2K from his 2036 perspective as a huge deadly disaster.

The unavoidable problem is that as TTO/Titor described his story here and on the Bell forum, he came from 2036 where he already knew the outcome (at least within a "1-2% divergence"). There was no disaster, no frozen bodies on the highways...nothing on Y2K.

This isn't the first time that the fax Y2K vs. the real Y2K has been mentioned. The basic argument in favor of Titor has been that he somehow changed the outcome. If that's the case where does the "1-2% divergence" come into play when he described it as being along the lines of some people have green eyes instead of blue or the outcomes of some football games were different? A Y2K worldwide deadly disaster as compared to a no problem Y2K isn't exactly the same thing as blue eyes versus green.

(And boy howdy did I get OT here.

)

 

[Darby]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

ASP,

I am dissappointed that the participants focused on the science as a manner of debunking JT and not the culture expressed in his posts. I think there is far more evidence in his descriptions of culture, daily life and religion to debunk than the science.

That's a fair cop. His descriptions of culture were just a bit skewed and perfectly open to debate.

To say that he brought any new or surprising political or cultural topic into the discussion that wasn't already a topic being hotly contested on the Internet or UseNet is simply not true.

There wasn't a single topic that he mentioned that a person who had the time and patience to do the Googling couldn't find already being extensively discussed elsewhere (even where "elsewhere" included another forum on the same BBS). It was obvious that he had a bone to pick with Western society and specifically American society. He had a message that he wanted to deliver that had nothing at all to do with time travel. Instead of delivering the message on a poli-sci/soc-sci site he chose to deliver it packaged in a time travel sci-fi story. Thus he chose the forum and on the forum made the physical science side of the debate his first choice. Here are the first words "spoken" by TTO on 2-NOV-2000:

Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.
.
By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you.

(Note: The generalization about Tipler and Kerr was a crock. Had he chosen to post on any physics site he wouldn't have found a single member who didn't know who they are. Tipler is a kook but he's also a well respected and highly regarded astro-physicist mathematician. Kerr developed the first non-static black black hole solution. And not a single person challenged him even though both Kerr and Tipler had been discussed on this site before.)

I can argue the political and social issues. But for people like Rainman and myself the science end is much easier. The political-social side of the discussion is subjective. No matter how one packages the rebuttal there's always another side to be argued.

Science isn't the same breed of animal. The science side is objective, subject to verification and falsification. The science side of the story is so flawed that it is all but dismissible and has been dismissed by the real physicists who have taken the time out of their academic day to actually respond. One big problem with the science side is the issue of the "Many Worlds Interpretation" (MWI). People fall back on MWI by refering to it but in fact the only knowledge they have of it is based on alt-sci forums or simply misunderstanding what it is. They've read a snippet here and there on some site but haven't read any papers on the subject. Without making MWI a sub-topic of the post I'll end by saying that there;'s a lot more to the topic than what one might read in the usual TT forum post.

I will say this for Titor. My career had taken me far, far away from physical science after graduating from UC Santa Barbara. After getting involved in the discussion in 2000 I also got back into physical science as a "hobby". I read papers and text books (not pop-sci) on a daily basis. I brushed up on my calculus which had been long ago set aside. So, though the story is a work of fiction, I gained something valuable from it. If the JTF ends up making some money on the project I certainly have no issue with them.

 

[antiskepticspray]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

The others are the less famous posters whoe posted with John. From what I have seen your Pam cakes has been through enough.

 

[recall15]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

exempli gratia:

well so far to 2044...LOL

Quoted a Senior Citizen that pass away not so long ago:

Pamela- by 2044 there are several documentaries and movies about John Titor and in them all to one degree or another are you, Darby and Javier who play either the people who chatted with Titor or people who stayed and kept his story alive and in 2044 you are deceased- sorry. I don't have/can't get a driver's license and Ohio is quite a ride for me to take a cab. I'll go OT re this.

1.What did you bring back to 2007 with you?
Myself, Old Navy clothes and a small cache of gold bars which I have since sold most of.

2.Why did you come to this particular time?
I did not pick the exact date, my "assignment" was to deliver information to someone at the right moment in time- early December 2006.

3.Was John Titor revealed in 2038?
The "John Titor Story" is very popular in 2044 but it's a story- John Titor does not pop in in 2038 and there is only one reality.

4.Who wins the Super Bowl?
I'll tell you if you can tell me without looking who won the 1923 World Series without looking it up.

5.Do you have any winning lottery numbers?
No- lotteries are random chance and are very causal- they are literally random. If you could go back 5 seconds over and over again to witness the flip of a coin, you could not predict its outcome. This alone makes "predicting Super Bowls" difficult.

6.Do you have any predictions to make?
Nope. Just a story to tell with details.

7.What is wrong with you- "terminal health"?
Cancer.

8.You altering your other self will alter the future, right?
Yes. History from 2011-2044 will unfold slightly differently from my actions but I will be deceased by then. Don't blame me for changing a future that has not yet happened to you.

9.Why have you been registered to this forum for over a month?
I registered here first because I used to post on TTF a long time ago/a few years from now and thought that was too causal but had problems logging onto this site- the moderator of this forum can attest to that. By the time it was cleared up, I already made first contact on TTF and didn't see the point in double posting.

recall15- thanks for the WST links- that short film is playing on a TV in the remake of the movie.

from:
TTI Thread...

Utinam barbari spatioum proprium tuum invadant

 

[Kanigo2]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

The others are the less famous posters whoe posted with John. From what I have seen your Pam cakes has been through enough.

The best part is that you are already talking to them and like yourself I have some sympathy for the people involved.

So as far as getting a straight answer, you have gotten it.

I assume so far that the only person that does not return is Javier, but I do not know the whole story.

I personally do not even concern myself with the rational that anyone uses in these forums. I really didn't even care about the story of John that much.

You would understand then why I came at you in the way I did. (We all know the story of the Special song and who is supposed to be receiving it, I just did not want to lead the posting.)

I care more about the truth and It had just occurred to me that you came loaded with a few preconceived ideas and some baggage and decisions you had made well before you stepped in to post.
Luckily, Darby and Pamela have stepped up and answered your questions.

As far as speculating as what general moves you would make if you believe the social message of the story -is Self Sufficiency. Then again, everyone should be headed that direction anyway. As you can see it has had an effect and will continue to have.... on many people.

I, personally, was more concerned about the source of the message in the first place and came in the forum fully loaded(also) based on things factors that had happened to me.

It was Darby or RMT that made it dead clear that people come in this story looking for a message of what they should be doing with their lives. That fact alone should really make you look a little deeper into your statements and questions concerning this matter.

I hope that helps.
By the way, good luck on your upcoming future.

 

[antiskepticspray]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

The best part is that you are already talking to them and like yourself I have some sympathy for the people involved.

Great I may ask you many questions. I am not doing so to hurt your feelings or anyone elses.

So as far as getting a straight answer, you have gotten it.

I assume so far that the only person that does not return is Javier, but I do not know the whole story.

I have his personal Email. He says he will be back someday. I see he is on the banned list. Don't kid yourself, he lurks here still.

I personally do not even concern myself with the rational that anyone uses in these forums. I really didn't even care about the story of John that much.

You would understand then why I came at you in the way I did. (We all know the story of the Special song and who is supposed to be receiving it, I just did not want to lead the posting.)

I care more about the truth and It had just occurred to me that you came loaded with a few preconceived ideas and some baggage and decisions you had made well before you stepped in to post.
Luckily, Darby and Pamela have stepped up and answered your questions.

Again I have read enough of Pamelas postings here and at other places. I am confused by recall- who is the fool choking on latin? Careful Recall I hear latin is the tongue of the devil and those that speak it often become known by name by he who tempted Christ.

As far as speculating as what general moves you would make if you believe the social message of the story -is Self Sufficiency. Then again, everyone should be headed that direction anyway. As you can see it has had an effect and will continue to have.... on many people.

I, personally, was more concerned about the source of the message in the first place and came in the forum fully loaded(also) based on things factors that had happened to me.

It was Darby or RMT that made it dead clear that people come in this story looking for a message of what they should be doing with their lives. That fact alone should really make you look a little deeper into your statements and questions concerning this matter.

I hope that helps.
By the way, good luck on your upcoming future.

From the perspective of the Bard who sang the song of John Titor- I don't think the real tale was that he was telling you to become self sufficent. He was telling you to get ready for war and to be ready to DIE in that war.

What does that last comment mean, good luck in my upcoming future?

 

[TimeNot_0]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

Do not think that God does not know what He is doing?

Inmates! Stuckies in this inertial frame of reference.

It will not be so easy to Escape from Planet Earth!

Contrivence and other habits are only human traits which humans tend to seemingly fall into so easily yet never admit it!

Now, as to religion, who exactly made Titor into a religious icon? I don't see it in the postings or anywhere else. No, I only see it from others who continously accuse others seemingly being similiar to something called 60 years ago a Nazi. But others still have to go back Centuries to discuss anything like this current world situation. Funny now, for all of those type of people seemingly seem to be time travellers but only living in the present.

Humans will not Escape from Planet Earth so easily.

 

[TimeNot_0]

Re: NAVIGEMVS OMNES

Do you, do you, really do you want to end your lives?

Do you, really do you, are you sure?

Well, no one is getting off of this Planet! (or at least very far away.)

Well....................................................................?

 

[Doghead]

Pamela- Honestly? I am very skeptical you wish you had never "met" "John Titor". There is no reason to withhold information about him, it is a furphy to think that the information is so secret that it is a guaranteed way to identify him in the future. He won't be back, at least in the incarnation in which you met him. And no I am not speaking metaphysically, more intelligence operations style.

So why not come clean? Or is that little bit of knowledge a reflected bit of glitter in a dark world?

I mean no disrespect, but Titor is wearing thin, thin, thin.