“Time Travel” Will Never Be Possible

[Darby]

Pony,

You've now seen a long, detailed and enjoyable conversation between myself (the skeptic), Einstein (self made tinkerer, researcher and inventor) and astroboyuk (open mind but not gullible). The consensus is that a blanket statement of, "Time travel is impossible" isn't really valid. The implications of what can happen with time travel is very much open to debate on scientific terms as well as moral and ethical terms. But none of us totally discount the possibility that it might be possible to construct an actual, working time machine that can travel to the past. It is a matter of what the laws of physics are and, if they do allow time travel, how to use them. The answer here is unknown. We know that we do not fully know and understand all of the laws of physics. Only time will tell us once we make the next new set of discoveries.

 

[Einstein]

Darby

That might work. It's thin but maybe. The problem then becomes one of "a person" inventing time travel. That is highly unlikely. I know that we like to speculate that a time machine can be built with a 12v battery, a few wires, a micro mass black hole, etc. but that isn't likely to happen. A huge research company with thousands of scientists (theoretical, mathematical, experimental and applied physics), an entire division of engineers and technicians plus investors is the likely scenario.

You might think that's what it would take to make a time machine. But I don't. I think a time machine is much easier to invent than making the atom bomb was. And I have a very interesting theory about the operation of a time machine that even you could understand. I constructed the theory with real world facts. But I would have to get you to look at my modified F = MA equation before exposing you to what I found. But also I don't believe I'm the first person to come across this. And also the possibility that you could be a religious skeptic with unwavering skepticism has crossed my mind.

Had Lise Meitner not been a woman, a Jew and forced to quit her position at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and leave Germany it is very possible that Germany could have beat the Allies to the punch. She was absolutely brilliant! Very much on par with, if not ahead of, her contemporary German physicists, including Heisenberg. At the time she may well have been the best particle physicist on the planet.

I find that interesting. It's almost as if Hitler hadn't had it in for the Jews, he might have won the war. Don't you find it kind of odd that our side seemed to have had all the cards stacked in our favor? Or maybe there was a time traveling card shark playing behind the scenes.

However time played out originally, I believe it was our side that developed time travel technology first. And with that kind of power, we would have a card up our sleeve to ensure victory in every outcome. But it's just like you said. Secrets don't stay secret forever.

 

[Mylo.X.]

I find that interesting. It's almost as if Hitler hadn't had it in for the Jews, he might have won the war. .

I think that if somebody other than Hitler was in charge, the Germans may have won the war.... But yes, I've also read that some of the scientists involved in the development of the a-bomb had defected from Germany.

"However time played out originally, I believe it was our side that developed time travel technology first."

Hang on. How did you jump to that assumption/conclusion....?

 

[Einstein]

Mylo.X.

"However time played out originally, I believe it was our side that developed time travel technology first."

Hang on. How did you jump to that assumption/conclusion....?

Well it is mere speculation. There was the claim about the Philadelphia experiment reported by eye witness accounts, that the Navy denies ever took place. I got to talk with someone that had a conversation with one of the original witnesses. So you could say I'm biased into believing the story, based on secondhand information. So this is the basis for my belief that time travel exists.

Don't you find it kind of convenient that history played out in favor of the United States. Or was somebody cheating by any means necessary? After all it was a war. So technically, getting information from the future, would be an acceptable war tactic. A war tactic that even I would approve of, had the future gone sour the first time around.

Of course with a technology like that, the ability to change the past, is something those in power would prefer to keep secret. In order to insure the past doesn't get changed again. But with time travel technology, you also could go back in time and rewrite the science that made time travel technology possible. Thus thwarting the efforts of anyone else following along in time travel technology development.

I keep alluding to the equation "F = MA" as part of the altered science, that was put forth, to effectively prevent anyone even suspecting time travel technology could be used as a war tactic.

And of course we all were taught about Einstein. The good and the bad. A guy with a very mediocre education that didn't seem to fare to well academically. Who got a job as a patent clerk (with help). So I personally have some serious doubts that he could be the originator of the fantastic science he is credited with bringing to the science community. It's kind of like he was someones puppet. Possibly people from the future getting him to go along with the ruse of becoming a famous and renowned theoretical physicist. Of course the science he duped everyone into believing, is gradually turning out to be false. Just part of the ruse to prevent future generations from developing time travel technology.

 

[Darby]

I think that if somebody other than Hitler was in charge, the Germans may have won the war.... But yes, I've also read that some of the scientists involved in the development of the a-bomb had defected from Germany.

Without Hitler there may not have been a war to win (or lose), though Stalin would have likely invaded Poland, with eyes next on Germany, in any case. Had that occured Germany without Hitler may have been part of a western European alliance in a war with the USSR.

The majority of the scientists didn't defect. Most of them were Jews. They were "asked" to leave. Enrico Fermi was Italian and Catholic but his wife was Jewish. The Fascist racial laws in Italy were very similar to German Nazi law. They were forced out of Italy.

In the above No Hitler - Russia Invades Poland and Germany scenario the German/Jewish scientists may still end up in the US. Stalin murdered more Jews because they were Jews than Hitler - far more. We rarely hear about the Soviet Holocaust because the victors get to write the history. Stalin made no pretense as did the Nazis. The Nazis passed laws, had trials - and then murdered their victims. Stalin cut out the law and trial part and proceeded straight to the murdering. And, part and parcel to his Marxist-Stalinist doctrine, he did not trust scientists. He liked to murder them. His post revolution pogrom in the early 1930's purged most of his scientists. If the war was not going well and the Soviet Union was successfully swollowing up eastern Europe the scientists may have decided that it was time to go.

Time to leave for America, tovarich - before comrade Stalin causes head to leave shoulders.

 

[Mylo.X.]

Mylo.X.



Well it is mere speculation. There was the claim about the Philadelphia experiment reported by eye witness accounts, that the Navy denies ever took place. I got to talk with someone that had a conversation with one of the original witnesses. So you could say I'm biased into believing the story, based on secondhand information. So this is the basis for my belief that time travel exists.

Don't you find it kind of convenient that history played out in favor of the United States. Or was somebody cheating by any means necessary? After all it was a war. So technically, getting information from the future, would be an acceptable war tactic. A war tactic that even I would approve of, had the future gone sour the first time around.

Of course with a technology like that, the ability to change the past, is something those in power would prefer to keep secret. In order to insure the past doesn't get changed again. But with time travel technology, you also could go back in time and rewrite the science that made time travel technology possible. Thus thwarting the efforts of anyone else following along in time travel technology development.

I keep alluding to the equation "F = MA" as part of the altered science, that was put forth, to effectively prevent anyone even suspecting time travel technology could be used as a war tactic.

And of course we all were taught about Einstein. The good and the bad. A guy with a very mediocre education that didn't seem to fare to well academically. Who got a job as a patent clerk (with help). So I personally have some serious doubts that he could be the originator of the fantastic science he is credited with bringing to the science community. It's kind of like he was someones puppet. Possibly people from the future getting him to go along with the ruse of becoming a famous and renowned theoretical physicist. Of course the science he duped everyone into believing, is gradually turning out to be false. Just part of the ruse to prevent future generations from developing time travel technology.

I must admit, you do present a very thought-provoking theory...

 

[Mylo.X.]

. Stalin murdered more Jews because they were Jews than Hitler - far more. We rarely hear about the Soviet Holocaust because the victors get to write the history. Stalin made no pretense as did the Nazis. The Nazis passed laws, had trials - and then murdered their victims. Stalin cut out the law and trial part and proceeded straight to the murdering. .

That's a bit of info I was not aware of...this was never taught to me whilst I was in school. Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna do a bit of research on the matter.

 

[Darby]

That's a bit of info I was not aware of...this was never taught to me whilst I was in school. Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna do a bit of research on the matter.

Yes, Comrade Stalin was a piece of work. During the Great Depression he realized that the USSR would have a food shortage. Solution? In 1934-35 flood, destroy, plow under and generally remove all roads, phone lines, radio stations and mail delivery routes to and from Ukraine. No roads or electronic transmission means no people or communication in or out. Next, cut off the food supply. The Ukraines call it "Holodomor" - death by starvation. He murdered 4 to 10 million with that one program *. Not all Jews to be sure but human beings none the less. And he managed to keep it a secret (there's that word ) for a very long time, even within the USSR. The party put out news articles about the tragic goings on in Ukraine and no one really wanted to question the explanation, which obviously did not tell anything close to the truth. Ukraine is a large country. Even inside Ukraine it would have been almost impossible for them to figure out what was really going on.

In Europe today it is a crime in several (all?) countries to openly publish Hollocaust denial articles. But to my knowledge, nowhere in Europe is it a crime to publish Holodomor denial articles. As I said, the victor gets to write the history.

* I understand that there is a big gap between 4 million and 10 million victims. But it was the Soviet Union, a very closed, secretive society where, as in Nazi Germany, asking questions could and did get people killed. Like the Hollocaust, the actual number of victims will never be known. But we are very sure about the minimum numbers. Ukraines have long memories. Nazi's liked to keep detailed written records.

MSgt (Hauptfeldwebel) Schultz (Hogan's Heroes): "I see notttthing! I know notttthing!" Sgt. Schultz had no intention of getting shipped to the Eastern Front.​

 

[Darby]

One thing that intrigues me...is that IF ununpentium exists...why 'might' it float of it's own accord?

Ununpentium (one one five) does exist. It was synthesized in 2004 through hot fission: Americium_243/95+ Calcium_48/20 ---> Uup 291/115

Unfortunately it neither "floats" nor is it stable. It's a superheavy radioactive element with a half-life of <3 ms. It emits 3 neutrons ---> Uup 288/115 and then an alpha particle ---> Uut 284/113. It's entire decay chain is radioactive with U_235 in the middle and ultimately terminates with Lead_207 (with a slight chance on one branch to end with Lead_206).