time dilation

At 17,500 mph they said if you stayed at that speed for a year you would get 3.9 seconds.So 8,750 objects on each other going 20 mph would go 17,500 mph.Each one of these would have a different time dilation.And if you started all these at january 10,2014.And let them move for a year.They would move a year and after they stopped moving it would be january 10,2015 and 3.9 seconds.Then you make another row of these 8,750 objects which are going 20 miles per hour.You start all the objects in that row at the same time at january 10,2014 and3.9 seconds and let them move for a year.When they stopped moving they would be in january 10,2015 and 7.8 seconds.Going at 17,500 mph 3.9 seconds of motion would not be much time dialation.So you could go 3.8 seconds before the second row stops.
 
time tunnel said:
At 17,500 mph they said if you stayed at that speed for a year you would get 3.9 seconds.So 8,750 objects on each other going 20 mph would go 17,500 mph.Each one of these would have a different time dilation.And if you started all these at january 10,2014.And let them move for a year.They would move a year and after they stopped moving it would be january 10,2015 and 3.9 seconds.Then you make another row of these 8,750 objects which are going 20 miles per hour.You start all the objects in that row at the same time at january 10,2014 and3.9 seconds and let them move for a year.When they stopped moving they would be in january 10,2015 and 7.8 seconds.Going at 17,500 mph 3.9 seconds of motion would not be much time dialation.So you could go 3.8 seconds before the second row stops.
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No. Gamma = 1.000000000340329 at 17,500 mph, where Gamma = 1/(sqrt 1-(v^2/c^2)). The time dilation would be ~.02 sec/yr. Therefore the remainder of the assumptions in your post are incorrect.

There are 31,536,000 sec/yr. If Gamma = 1.000000000340329 then the relationship is 31,536,000/1.000000000340329 ~= 31,535.999.98

Don't be too discouraged, however. Though the Gamma factor is only 2/100ths of a sec/year it is enough to absolutely require constant calibration updates for GPS satellites.
 
so, to go back (sorry, being a bit thick here) do we therefore assume that there is the same relationship with light speed and gravity as there is with magnetism and electricity. Move one with respect to the other and a reaction occurs?

If we move a copper wire in a magnetic field, we get electricity. If we put electricity 'into' a copper wire, we get a magnetic field. and if we put an electrified wire in a magnetic field, we get movement....

So, if we have light speed and gravity being two sides of the triangle, would time be the third side of this triangle?

and if it is either the speed of the waveform, photon or the wavicle (if that term is still used)not the distance in metres covered in a time period, why?

Is it because there is the same triangular relationship with either the energy, composition or the frequency of movement that has some hitherto unmeasured field?

obviously, if you twiddle around with a piece of copper wire in a magnet, you will be able to show someone the movement of a meter needle (changing digits on a DMM). But to really create power, you need far more copper and far greater speed. Hence the generators in power-stations are huge. Therefore, dohuge magnetic fields produce changes in light speed, therefore changes in time......

If this is the case, can we use the time equivalent or harmonics to achieve greater flux densities and therefore achieve greater control of light speed..........


kind of a rambling set of questions..... but I wonder how close the relationships are between the two. For example, I am primarily an electronic engineer. But because pneumatic solenoid valves work so much like transistors and relays, I can design a working pneumatic circuit. So can we look for laws that although written for the electromagnetic spectrum, could be used as rough guide posts for the chronolight spectrum? If we assume that the interaction of two sides of the triangle will create the third, then maybe we can use this to learn what the third side is?

At that point time dilation could be on tap.......
 
Hi time tunnel, I have slept on it and looked at all your posts afresh and I still don't get it. o_O You have a series of a"bunch of objects" (from your first post you are mentioning rockets) on top of each other on the ground (not in orbit) won't go anywhere but you want to accelerate it to high speeds to create time dilation effects. But what is it's usage? Is it supposed to carry a man? What does he do and how will he survive being spun around for a year ?(as you imply you do not want the device to go in a straight line) Is it supposed to somehow throw him into the future or past?
 
Darby so what is the time dilation of a object moving at a speed of 17,500 miles per hour for a year.Since there is no gamma like you say.Vodkafan these two rows of moving objects that are in a spiral will allow you to walk to the future.If you walk around around the two spirals.
 
Phil Wainwright said:
so, to go back (sorry, being a bit thick here) do we therefore assume that there is the same relationship with light speed and gravity as there is with magnetism and electricity. Move one with respect to the other and a reaction occurs?

If we move a copper wire in a magnetic field, we get electricity. If we put electricity 'into' a copper wire, we get a magnetic field. and if we put an electrified wire in a magnetic field, we get movement....

So, if we have light speed and gravity being two sides of the triangle, would time be the third side of this triangle?

and if it is either the speed of the waveform, photon or the wavicle (if that term is still used)not the distance in metres covered in a time period, why?

Is it because there is the same triangular relationship with either the energy, composition or the frequency of movement that has some hitherto unmeasured field?

obviously, if you twiddle around with a piece of copper wire in a magnet, you will be able to show someone the movement of a meter needle (changing digits on a DMM). But to really create power, you need far more copper and far greater speed. Hence the generators in power-stations are huge. Therefore, dohuge magnetic fields produce changes in light speed, therefore changes in time......

If this is the case, can we use the time equivalent or harmonics to achieve greater flux densities and therefore achieve greater control of light speed..........


kind of a rambling set of questions..... but I wonder how close the relationships are between the two. For example, I am primarily an electronic engineer. But because pneumatic solenoid valves work so much like transistors and relays, I can design a working pneumatic circuit. So can we look for laws that although written for the electromagnetic spectrum, could be used as rough guide posts for the chronolight spectrum? If we assume that the interaction of two sides of the triangle will create the third, then maybe we can use this to learn what the third side is?

At that point time dilation could be on tap.......
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I think your confusion stems from the fact that you are making assumptions. There are plenty of facts right in plain sight that spell out how mother nature assembles reality.

For instance the propagation time of the gravitational force only works out mathematically if the time of transmission is zero. Any other value and the planets fall into the sun. Yet time dilation exists within gravity fields. Kind of like gravity is creating a drag on the flow of time. So there is your triangle right there in the observations. A dominant forward time flow. An additional not so powerful back time flow. And an orthogonal time flow.

It works the same with electricity. In a wire you have the forward voltage force, the ground state force, and the orthogonal magnetic force.

It also works with inertial propulsion. You have the forward acceleration, you have the backward weight force, and if allowed to continue accelerating across the curvature of the earth, an orthogonal centrifugal force develops making the object lighter.

Did you see the pattern? It's always two opposing forces and an orthogonal force. And from what we are told, a three body problem is unsolvable mathematically. So the orthogonal force is always ignored when math is applied. You don't see the magnetic force in ohm's law. The concept of current is created, which is really just a proportionality factor between voltage and resistance. If you think back when ohm's law was created, you realize they had no way to actually count the amount of electrons in the circuit.
 
Darby you have not giving me much reason not to believe it can work.Because it could work even at a time dilation rate of .02 of a second.But the device would have to run for a hundred years.It could even be stopped for repairs and then restarted.
 
time tunnel said:
Darby so what is the time dilation of a object moving at a speed of 17,500 miles per hour for a year.Since there is no gamma like you say.Vodkafan these two rows of moving objects that are in a spiral will allow you to walk to the future.If you walk around around the two spirals.
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The Gamma factor isn't exactly zero at 17,500 mph. But that speed is only .0026% the speed of light. There is a relativistic effect - its just that it is very, very small for most situations. Where it is important is in GPS satellite positioning, for example. Tiny errors due to clock de-synchronization leads to unacceptable errors in calculating Earth surface positions.

To answer your question "Darby so what is the time dilation of a object moving at a speed of 17,500 miles per hour for a year?"

There are ~31,536,000 sec in a year (rest frame). With the Gamma for an object moving at 17,500 mph with respect to the rest frame the difference will be ~.011 seconds/yr.
 
I am correcting post 31.It really would not take a hundred years because a hundred years is a hundred years no matter what time you start at.So i could just use years instead of hundreds of years.
 
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