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[creedo299]

There were know links between the CIA and Ben Laden.

The toppic of their conversation, mmmh, might have been how to afford mobile homes, to their part of the world?

In his former part of the world, his type of people will shoot you, even if you look at them wrong.

Its their way and not to be argued.

 

[swear]

Oh I assure you that you have made incorrect assumptions, and they have lead you to an incorrect conclusion. I would suggest that you consider how your lack of knowledge in this area lead you to these incorrect conclusions as a mere example of how you could also be jumping to conclusions in your other beliefs. It is quite relevant, one to the other.

Ok, how do autopilot and FMS work?

Now just think about how many OTHER things in your rants could be (and likely are) wrong because of your lack of knowledge of what really transpired in certain events.

I could say the same for you

So now you are expecting me, and others on this forum, to trust that you know when Bin Laden is being honest and when he is not? Give me a break!

There was no motive for him to deny involvement in 9/11, absolutely none. Do you have any idea why terrorists do these attacks? To send out some sort of a message and claim bragging rights for the attack, and this was the BIGGEST terrorist attack EVER.

There are plenty of other video/audio tapes where Bin Laden DOES admit training the minions for the 9/11 job, as well as bragging about how none of them knew the plan, and also how they didn't expect the buildings to come down as quickly as they did.

Oh really? I have only seen two, of which one is definately a fake and the other is questionable. If you have some inside information that we others don't, please do share.

And your link to the Swiss labs was showing how a LATER tape could not be verified as Bin Laden, not "the first one" as you claimed.

No, there have been two videotapes of bin Laden saying he was behind 9/11, first one in 2001 and the second one in 2004 right before the US presidential elections.
The 2001 tape is definately a fake, this was confirmed in 2002 by a Swiss research institute. The 2004 tape is questionable since there have been so many reports of bin Laden dying in 2002 due to kidney failure, the man was very sick.

 

[RainmanTime]

Swear,

Ok, how do autopilot and FMS work?

Care to be more specific? What do you want to know? I've told you, and explained why, the flight control systems do not need transponder information. Autopilots are as easy as engaging them (pushing a single button) and then selecting the Altitude, Airspeed, and Heading you want the airplane to fly. The FMS is just like a "moving map" GPS that you can buy today. You can program a flight path in them, and you can "couple" the autopilot to follow the FMS flight path. I guarantee you that terrorists could've learned how to use them to hit the WTC buildings in less than 3-4 days of training.

There was no motive for him to deny involvement in 9/11, absolutely none.

You've gotta be kidding, right? You mean to tell me the threat of having the US hunt you down, capture you, and "destroy your dignity" by parading you around prior to and during a trial is not motive for him to deny his involvement? "Absolutely none" eh? That is a real laugh. But forget what he said AFTER 9/11. What about the FACT that he was warning the US that he was planning attacks in the US PRIOR to 9/11? The fact that he issued his own "fatwa" for a jihad against the US? The guy pretty much declared war on us before 9/11! So I guess you think he was lying in that case, but not lying when he denied being involved in 9/11? Again, I want to know what you use to determine when he is lying or telling the truth? In fact, the CIA and other intelligence agencies would like to know how you make such determinations!

Oh really? I have only seen two, of which one is definately a fake and the other is questionable. If you have some inside information that we others don't, please do share.

More proof that you only collect information that supports what you wish to believe. Are you aware that there have been at LEAST 18 tapes (either audio or video) from Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri since 9/11. You focus only on the ones that cannot be absolutely verified to be Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri.

Here's a suggestion: Instead of only looking for evidence that Al Qadea is a concoction of the US government, try looking for information that confirms they are a terrorist organization. Here is one suggestion: Read some of the work of Peter Bergen. Much like I am an expert on aircraft, and can tell you when your conclusions about them are wrong, Mr. Bergen is an expert on terrorism, and especially Al Qaeda. In fact, he has a new book out: The Osama Bin Laden I Know.

So...given that this guy has certainly done way more research on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda than you, and he has actually VISITED the group in Afghanistan before 9/11, don't you think he might be a much more credible source than the places you have so-far quoted?

RMT