Teleporting to travel through time?

"your conscienceness experiences time"

as a whole yes...but remember even conscienceness is made up of many particles and cells
without the exact same tangible, physical cells....you do not have the same conscienceness
so it is not "you" it is a different person, I think we are forgetting biology a bit here....
in order to pass to another world...after death...you MUST have a soul...a religious, spiritual, intangible soul, because once you die...all your cells are accounted for...in this world...so what is being sent to the other world??? just your conscienceness?? sounds like hoobajoo to me


"ain't life grand" - WSP
 
you MUST have a soul...a religious, spiritual, intangible soul, because once you die...all your cells are accounted for...in this world...so what is being sent to the other world??? just your conscienceness?? sounds like hoobajoo to me
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I don't have an explanation for this religious, spiritual, intangible soul. Could you give any explanation about where is this "soul" of a person was before he is born? How it got created, biologically? And how biologically it exists after death? I am sure you don't have an explanation for that, nor does anyone else on this board.

The concept is simple. each person is to himself or herself and infinite times we are dead and reborn. We can time travel and go to our past and meet our former selves. We can be "reborn" and meet our future self from another worldline. A distortion ar manipulation of gravity could make this possible. I was also talking about gravity donuts, but this could lead to a lot of problems(politically). /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Now, I am not prepared for a long debate with anyone, so if you don't like the idea, toss it. I am also open to all sorts of other ideas and opinions. But mixing each other's opinions and debating them would not lead to anywhere.
 
Bleah...you guys. LOL.

First of all, saying that the big bang can predetermine all aspects of existence just doesn't make sense. Saying that mechanical forces dictate future emotional, spiritual, intellectual actions doesn't make sense. You could view the universe as one giant Incredible Machine in which via an infinite number of mechanical wonders, a whole process of cascading actions is kicked off by a single domino (big bang). Like that honda commercial. But that doesn't take into account humanity's spiritual/intellectual, consiousness. The universe isn't just one giant Incredible Machine of cause and effect events. It's not even one with inifite world lines of different sequences of cause and effect events. That's because neither of those explain the element of human consciousness.

This has come up now and then on these boards. A long time ago, I posted a question about what precedes a thought. What does? What physical element makes up a thought? I don't think there is a physical element. RMT has said before, and I would tend to go this route that the consciousness of a human is energy. And engergy is neither created nor destroyed. Your souls/spirits are energy, and energy is neither created nor destroyed. It is converted. hmmmm. Seems like this principle is just a couple of millenium old. This isn't new thinking. It has been known that an aspect of humanity is eternal...that would be your soul.

I love knowing that. I see more and more in science a confirmation of my faith.
 
“And engergy is neither created nor destroyed. Your souls/spirits are energy, and energy is neither created nor destroyed. It is converted. hmmmm.
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It has been known that an aspect of humanity is eternal...that would be your soul.”
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Just curious….So what is this soul getting converted into?

I do agree with this:

“Energy can neither be created nor destroyed” - This applies to everything, even life.

Every living being is eternally present in its timeline. For I am present eternally in my lifetime, I can take any possible decisions that shape my future events. But the effects of nature has an impact on it and shape it. Every possible event that is supposed to happen has happened somewhere else. And there are also events in the past still happening. Perfect condition for TIME TRAVEL!!!

“It can only be transformed from one form to another”

You are transformed from a baby to a child, then a teenager, and so on. But “you” are eternal.
 
Saying that mechanical forces dictate future emotional, spiritual, intellectual actions doesn't make sense.
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How do you figure? Might we just be a more complex mechanical system? Think about the stimulants that cause emotion or intellectual thought: Photons hitting my eyes. Sound waves hitting my ear drums. Chemical reactions on my tongue and in my nose. The pressure of any external or internal objects triggering nerve endings. All of this data is sent to the brain. As time goes by, the brain gets smarter and better at what it does. All reactions in the future are processed against what the brain has already collected.
 
I'm saying that sitting here im my chair typing this response...what physical mechanism is controlling the thoughts in my brain? None. Where do those thoughts come from? Yes there is a physical brain, and if you wanted to, you could boil it down to nothing but a big hard drive of information, but how is it possible for me to pull information from that hard drive that doesn't exist on that hard drive? I can pull a thought from nothing. If it was only possible to envision or think about things that already were experienced or already existed on our hard drive brains, what sort of world would we live in? So, what precedes a thought? What dictates the next thing that enters my brain? Blue, rollerskate, aerospace, golf ball, tonka truck, fizzle. Where does that come from?

I don't think it makes sense that mechanical cause and effect events that were theoretically started billions of years ago dictated that I would type this post. That to me is a dangerous road to travel down. What is the logical conclusion of that type of thinking?
 
Just curious….So what is this soul getting converted into?
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Information, which is at a higher level than physical energy. See my other thread "Information Subsumes Physical Energy". It may sound a little high-handed, but I am confident that I have figured out the relationship between energy and information, and it is obvious when one considers that one uses information (measurements as feedback) in closed-loop control systems as a means to minimize energy requirements to achieve any systemic result. It is also obvious when one examines the human body from a systems standpoint: Your ability to process information is the key aspect that allows us to (a) Set goals, (b) develop plans to achieve those goals, (c) take actions to work towards the goals, and (d) use feedback to assess our progress to our goals.

I also have the full-blown vector calculus worked out that expands on my simple equation given in the other thread. Of course, I am not about to share that here... It will be published in a peer-reviewed technical journal in the coming year or two.

On another subject that has often come up in this thread and others: I think many people here are using the word "infinite" with wreckless abandon. It is a much bigger "space" than anyone here can ever imagine, and that includes me. Beyond that, there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that anything in physicality could possibly correspond to the concept of infinity. That should be obvious since once you define something you call "physicality" you have established a boundary. There must be something (aphysicality) that lies beyond this boundary. And "infinite" would then say that these boundaries extend outwards... forever.

You're fooling yourself if you think you have any sort of rational "explanation" that includes infinite anything. You don't. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

RMT
 
I'm saying that sitting here im my chair typing this response...what physical mechanism is controlling the thoughts in my brain? None. Where do those thoughts come from?
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They come from all of the assumptions built from previous senses data.

Yes there is a physical brain, and if you wanted to, you could boil it down to nothing but a big hard drive of information, but how is it possible for me to pull information from that hard drive that doesn't exist on that hard drive? I can pull a thought from nothing.
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You are hardly pulling a thought from nothing. The brain is loaded with information gathered throughout your lifetime. The brain is also more than just a hard drive. It processes information like a multiple core system does. There are too many variables to account for and pin pointing them (to find reasoning in randomization -- which, BTW, a computer can also do) would only lead to confusion. I believe it is this complexity that gives us the illusion of independent thinking. How can one being think above and beyond what he is in order to belittle himself?
 
RMT,

You're fooling yourself if you think you have any sort of rational "explanation" that includes infinite anything.
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Again, your need to insult other's opinions.

I agree with Creedo.

You encourage any idea that mathces "your" logic and insult other opinions.

Sure this is a board of Time Travel and all possibilities are to be discussed. I would't pull this thread over and over, but I think I made my point.

I do respect your opinion, but that does not match mine.
 
You are hardly pulling a thought from nothing. The brain is loaded with information gathered throughout your lifetime. The brain is also more than just a hard drive. It processes information like a multiple core system does. There are too many variables to account for and pin pointing them (to find reasoning in randomization -- which, BTW, a computer can also do) would only lead to confusion. I believe it is this complexity that gives us the illusion of independent thinking. How can one being think above and beyond what he is in order to belittle himself?
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Here would be a good example...if consciousness is a result of mechanical cause/effect events over time...how in the world did something like the concept of language get started? And that's a basic concept...it doesn't even delve into the non-physical aspect of consciousness. Would you say that the cause/effect events lead to an organism that had a brain that had the ability to process information and then develop the concept of a language? What pre-existing information did the first brain access to develop language? Perhaps the organism was built, with a brain that was built and preloaded with the requisites necessary for consciousness?

How can one being think above and beyond what he is in order to belittle himself?
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This is an interesting quote given my disposition towards faith in God.
 
What I said was not an opinion, nor an insult, Herc. It was a fact. By definition, infinity (or the infinite) is not a rational number, nor a rational concept. And therefore any attempt to rationalize it will always fall short of the mark. You can have all the opinions you want on it, but neither you, nor I, nor anyone else will ever be able to rationalize the infinite. That is the domain of God. And if you have the opinion that you can rationalize the infinite domain of God, then you are, quite literally, fooling yourself.

I'm sorry you thought it was an insult, but it was not.
RMT
 
In reply to:
'I don't have an explanation for this religious, spiritual, intangible soul. Could you give any explanation about where is this "soul" of a person was before he is born? How it got created, biologically? And how biologically it exists after death? I am sure you don't have an explanation for that, nor does anyone else on this board.'

I don't know how it was named, or what the name was originally saying, but here is the breakdown of my opinion of a soul.....
because of the fact that each individual person will experience a "unique" set of events in their lives, they develope a unique...uhh program I guess you could call it...your own internal "how you react to everything" based on your unique event-line. this creates a unique personality, a unique "essence" something that is almost mystic, but it is not an intangible soul that actually "does" something... SOUL is a word used to describe a set list of morals, feelings, and passions, all based on past events, you translate that word a few hundred times over a couple thousand years, and you will end up with a different meaning, as with most things written in past tongues. I don't believe in ghosts, and wandering spirits, simply because they do not exist, in order for them to exist, they would have to exist inside us, or at least seperate from us at death, and neither is true. words are words are words.....language came from the capacity to remember and process information, our brains contain the proper cells, and as a whole, every species on the planet can communicate, with or without language, we just made it standardized, because we have the capability. the first "over there!" was surely a system of grunts and pointing, if a person deemed "smart" by the tribe, had a new sound for everything, the rest of the tribe might just follow suite to be cool...that's the way we are now, why would it be different? trends are powerful, and it's always started by a single person somehow, but it's not special. don't hold so much value to these words, they could be exchanged for a series of grunts and possible be just as meaningful. the word soul is just a word, it means nothing until you give it meaning. sometimes the people who standardize the words don't care if they believe. if the trend says "soul is real and this is what it is" then they print it. dictionaries were written by people....they mean nothing.
 
That is the domain of God. And if you have the opinion that you can rationalize the infinite domain of God, then you are, quite literally, fooling yourself.

I'm sorry you thought it was an insult, but it was not.
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I don’t want to argue with you. You just pull it over and over again. No one in this world can give a CORRECT explanation for Soul or God. What you are providing is your ideas on it and call it FACTS. But I have a different view of that.
 
You just pull it over and over again. No one in this world can give a CORRECT explanation for Soul or God.
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And you pull it over and over again too. Once again you are trying to change the subject. My comment was on mathematical infinite. I was not trying to give a description of the soul or God.

What you are providing is your ideas on it and call it FACTS.
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No. Clearly not. I was providing facts about infinity, not the soul nor God. The idea portion is that infinity is associated with God, which is the idea of quite a few people, but I agree that part is not fact.

Always changing your point, that's Herc.
RMT
 
It's cool though that you can put the "concept" of infinity into an equation, to find the limit of something as it approaches infinity, or have it be the result of an equation.
 
I have a correct explaination for the soul....they do not exist /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm sure you will all love that one


and yes I know it's not a provable fact
but still...it's fact enough hehe
 
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