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Mmmm, I remeber seeing someone talking of Nostradamus’ prophecies here. You talk of July 1999, and seem to be sure that’s the deadline for your exit. So let’s address this date.
Let’s look at where the idea comes from in Nostradamus’ text:
L’an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy d’effrayeur,
Resusciter le grand Roy d‘Angoulmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
Translated:
The year one thousand nine hundreds ninety nine seven months,
From the sky will come a great King of alarm,
To bring back to life the great King of Angoulmois.
Before after Mars to reign by good fortune.
It is very tempting to think of July 1999 when reading this quatrain. But Nostradamus very, very rarely means literally what he says. We must look for a deeper, arcane understanding of the verse.
The answer is that we might read the line quite differently in relation to the Secundadeian system, which Nostradamus himself insisted he was using in the quatrains. This is not the ordinary, familiar calendar, but one in use in occult circles.
In his arcanly written preface “Prophetiesâ€, Nostradamus quite clearly tells us that he is using in the quatrains the system of dating which was promulgated by the great occultist, Trithemius. In his arcane references to this dating system, Nostradamus points out that ‘presently we are ruled by the Moon’. This was quite true, for Nostradamus was writing in 1555. According to Trithemius, the lunar arch angel Gabriel, has begun his rule over the ages in 1525. This rule, Nostrdamus tells us, will last until ‘the Sun shall come’. Now, according to Trithemius, the rule of the moon would end about 1881, when the rule of the “Solar†arch angel Michael would begin. ‘And the Saturn’, will follow, says Nostradamus, again echoing Trithemius. The rule of the arch angel of Saturn, Ophiel, would begin in 2235. If we extend these rulerships by the 354 years assigned to each age, we discover something of great interest. Nostradamus is actually writing about a full periodicity of seven arch angelic rules. In theory, the rules of the Moon will commence again in 4005.
When Nostradamus wrote (March 1st 1555) the reign of Gabriel, was already 28 years old. If we subtract 28 years from 4005, we obtain 3977. This is a neurological anagram for the 3797 which Nostrdamus specifically states is the date of the ending of his prophecies. The occult blind (which is so frequently used in arcane literature) is the tranposing of two internal numbers of a date. What Nostradamus is disguising in his exposition of dates is that his prophecies are linked directly with the periodicities of the Secundadeians.
A month (12) of the Trithemian Secundadadeian period of 354 years and 4 months is about 29.5 years. According to the first line of the quatrain, the event is due for the second month of Ol, which is to say 7x29.5 years after the beginning of the rules of Michael. This is 206.5 years after the first year of Michael’s rule, of 1881. This in turn means that the prophecy in this quatrain could well be related to 2087.
One thing we can be sure of is that whether we read the prophecy as relating to 1999 or 2087, the quatrain is not a prediction of the end of the world. Nostradamus admits as much when he insists that this ‘astronomical stanzas (verses)’ relate to the period extending up to the year 3797.
As Nostradamus published the first batchof prophecies in 1555, this means that the predictions extended over a futurity of 2242 years. Now, this is a most interesting figure, for it is very close to one of the great Ages - the divisions of the so-called Great Year (In Medieval astrology, the Great Year is that period of time taken by all the planets to return to a given fiducial: there is no agreement as to how long this period is, but William of Conches believed that it was 49000 years. The Platonic Year was sometimes called the Great Year – this was the processional periods of 25920 years).
In modern times, it is known that, due to precession, the great Year lasts 2160 this precision of dating was not available to Nostradamus, who must have been familiar with at least 6 theories relating to the length of this Great Year. It was widely believed in the 16th Century, that a period of precession was equal to 1 degree in every century. This was the periodicity popularised by Dante, who had followed the writings of the Arabic astrologer, Alfraganus.
Nostradamus even named a location for this prophecy, “cinq & quarante degrezâ€, which is referred to as 45 degrees. When Nostradamus referred to 45 degrees he may have had in mind the cities Bordeaux, Turin, Pavia, Cremona, Mantua and even (given his clairvoyance) even Minneapolis in the USA. As for the location of the proposed by the irrepressible Roberts, New York, which is wrong as it is 41 degrees latitude – and certainly not San Francisco, which is as low as 36 degrees and nor Chicago (42 degrees).
What ever Nostradamus wrote about or what ever he meant it has never been translated properly. Remember that you can find anything you want if you look hard enough.
If he turns out to be right, I just wish he’d made it before I have to go through the boredem of my A-level exams on July 7th (giggle).
Thanks.
pja
Mmmm, I remeber seeing someone talking of Nostradamus’ prophecies here. You talk of July 1999, and seem to be sure that’s the deadline for your exit. So let’s address this date.
Let’s look at where the idea comes from in Nostradamus’ text:
L’an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy d’effrayeur,
Resusciter le grand Roy d‘Angoulmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
Translated:
The year one thousand nine hundreds ninety nine seven months,
From the sky will come a great King of alarm,
To bring back to life the great King of Angoulmois.
Before after Mars to reign by good fortune.
It is very tempting to think of July 1999 when reading this quatrain. But Nostradamus very, very rarely means literally what he says. We must look for a deeper, arcane understanding of the verse.
The answer is that we might read the line quite differently in relation to the Secundadeian system, which Nostradamus himself insisted he was using in the quatrains. This is not the ordinary, familiar calendar, but one in use in occult circles.
In his arcanly written preface “Prophetiesâ€, Nostradamus quite clearly tells us that he is using in the quatrains the system of dating which was promulgated by the great occultist, Trithemius. In his arcane references to this dating system, Nostradamus points out that ‘presently we are ruled by the Moon’. This was quite true, for Nostradamus was writing in 1555. According to Trithemius, the lunar arch angel Gabriel, has begun his rule over the ages in 1525. This rule, Nostrdamus tells us, will last until ‘the Sun shall come’. Now, according to Trithemius, the rule of the moon would end about 1881, when the rule of the “Solar†arch angel Michael would begin. ‘And the Saturn’, will follow, says Nostradamus, again echoing Trithemius. The rule of the arch angel of Saturn, Ophiel, would begin in 2235. If we extend these rulerships by the 354 years assigned to each age, we discover something of great interest. Nostradamus is actually writing about a full periodicity of seven arch angelic rules. In theory, the rules of the Moon will commence again in 4005.
When Nostradamus wrote (March 1st 1555) the reign of Gabriel, was already 28 years old. If we subtract 28 years from 4005, we obtain 3977. This is a neurological anagram for the 3797 which Nostrdamus specifically states is the date of the ending of his prophecies. The occult blind (which is so frequently used in arcane literature) is the tranposing of two internal numbers of a date. What Nostradamus is disguising in his exposition of dates is that his prophecies are linked directly with the periodicities of the Secundadeians.
A month (12) of the Trithemian Secundadadeian period of 354 years and 4 months is about 29.5 years. According to the first line of the quatrain, the event is due for the second month of Ol, which is to say 7x29.5 years after the beginning of the rules of Michael. This is 206.5 years after the first year of Michael’s rule, of 1881. This in turn means that the prophecy in this quatrain could well be related to 2087.
One thing we can be sure of is that whether we read the prophecy as relating to 1999 or 2087, the quatrain is not a prediction of the end of the world. Nostradamus admits as much when he insists that this ‘astronomical stanzas (verses)’ relate to the period extending up to the year 3797.
As Nostradamus published the first batchof prophecies in 1555, this means that the predictions extended over a futurity of 2242 years. Now, this is a most interesting figure, for it is very close to one of the great Ages - the divisions of the so-called Great Year (In Medieval astrology, the Great Year is that period of time taken by all the planets to return to a given fiducial: there is no agreement as to how long this period is, but William of Conches believed that it was 49000 years. The Platonic Year was sometimes called the Great Year – this was the processional periods of 25920 years).
In modern times, it is known that, due to precession, the great Year lasts 2160 this precision of dating was not available to Nostradamus, who must have been familiar with at least 6 theories relating to the length of this Great Year. It was widely believed in the 16th Century, that a period of precession was equal to 1 degree in every century. This was the periodicity popularised by Dante, who had followed the writings of the Arabic astrologer, Alfraganus.
Nostradamus even named a location for this prophecy, “cinq & quarante degrezâ€, which is referred to as 45 degrees. When Nostradamus referred to 45 degrees he may have had in mind the cities Bordeaux, Turin, Pavia, Cremona, Mantua and even (given his clairvoyance) even Minneapolis in the USA. As for the location of the proposed by the irrepressible Roberts, New York, which is wrong as it is 41 degrees latitude – and certainly not San Francisco, which is as low as 36 degrees and nor Chicago (42 degrees).
What ever Nostradamus wrote about or what ever he meant it has never been translated properly. Remember that you can find anything you want if you look hard enough.
If he turns out to be right, I just wish he’d made it before I have to go through the boredem of my A-level exams on July 7th (giggle).
Thanks.
pja