SERIOUS time travel question
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I think they deleted some of the stuff in the wayback machine, because I can not find the original thread there anymore, just junk mainly it seems there anymore. I looked and the original postings of "I am from 2036" give an error message, but all those threads are over on the first page of the Time Travel discussion at the Anomalies Network anyway.
Darby
Epochal Historian
TimeNot,
It actually was rather odd about the manner in which Art Bell and Keith Rowland ended the Post-2-Post forum. It was like this: One day it was there, the next it was closed down without notice.
Rick Donaldson and I contacted Bell, Rowland and Premiere Radio and asked why this was done without notice. Our responses were, to say the least, rather chilly. In short we were told that they did it because they could. In the end the original thread can be had - but it is archived and can be purchased through Bell's current site Coast-to-Coast AM (at least this was the case about two years ago). It was for this reason why the P2P TT forum moved to Anomalies. We didn't have access to the original thread other than what Pamela had archived on her personal computer but we did move the discussion to Anomalies. Raul had a problem here with the first 11 pages of "Time Travel Paradoxes" because his defaults only allowed 11 page for a single thread. When we spilled over onto page 12 the thread went "Crash". We continued the discussion on the thread "Topic Limited to 11 Pages...". It was only in the last year that Raul fully recovered the original part of the discussion.
It actually was rather odd about the manner in which Art Bell and Keith Rowland ended the Post-2-Post forum. It was like this: One day it was there, the next it was closed down without notice.
Rick Donaldson and I contacted Bell, Rowland and Premiere Radio and asked why this was done without notice. Our responses were, to say the least, rather chilly. In short we were told that they did it because they could. In the end the original thread can be had - but it is archived and can be purchased through Bell's current site Coast-to-Coast AM (at least this was the case about two years ago). It was for this reason why the P2P TT forum moved to Anomalies. We didn't have access to the original thread other than what Pamela had archived on her personal computer but we did move the discussion to Anomalies. Raul had a problem here with the first 11 pages of "Time Travel Paradoxes" because his defaults only allowed 11 page for a single thread. When we spilled over onto page 12 the thread went "Crash". We continued the discussion on the thread "Topic Limited to 11 Pages...". It was only in the last year that Raul fully recovered the original part of the discussion.
I don't know which way is better anymore. I think it depends mainly mostly sometimes on emotions instead of intellectual thought. It is what people do not want to read mainly, but still the threads should only serve to make anyone who does more aware or more concerned with their own future.
John Titor or Zeshua -- will the real time traveler stand up?
First, let's pretend that Zeshua is the real deal. How do we know that Z is posting from our future? Z may be posting from a different world line and either is lying or doesn't know it. Z can claim just about anything and we would never know it.
Second, J T and Z are both very skilled at being vague. They both have said things that could be interpreted a hundred different ways. Reminds me of Nostradamus and the daily horoscope.
Third, let's run with alternate world lines from which we would have to suppose that there are an infinite number of universes. Only about half of all possible universes would have life in them. Only a very small percentage of the universes with life would have the solar system as we know it with the surrounding stars as we know them. (Would Scorpius or Ursa Major be known by their respective names if these constellations had completely different configurations?) Even if the stars were in the “right place†what about the thousand or more major historic events that gave us the languages that we speak, our religions, our politics and our forms of government. What would the world be like if the Carthaginians had defeated the Romans and had established the Carthaginian Empire instead? What if the Romans had systematically exterminated all Christians and Jews? What if Harald Hardradi of Norway had won the battle of Stamford Bridge and afterwards managed to defeat William of Normandy? What if the Vikings had managed to colonize North America? (The little ice age helped to prevent that. However, in an alternate universe, the little ice age did not occur and the Vikings did colonize North America.) What if George Washington had been defeated by the British? What if the South had won the Civil War? What if the Germans had won World War II? If the infinite number of universes turns out to be the correct model then some poor souls are living in universes where evil triumphed over good. (Horrors! That means I have an alternate personality who speaks German and says Heil Hitler.) Now the problem I see is if you have the technology to jump from one universe to another how do you avoid jumping into a universe that is the result of a series of unfortunate events. (My apologies to Lemony Snickett.) I for one will not volunteer to try out a time machine. There are many more interesting ways to commit suicide.
Fourth, J T’s technology sucks. His time machine diagram is labeled with OCR type. And one of his missions was to dig up an ancient IBM computer with amazing capabilities. I guess he didn’t read the Wall Street Journal articles in 1998 or 1999 that told how the US Army now has officers who are skilled in using Powerpoint. Yes, that’s a believable story. We invented a time machine in 2032 using dinosaur computer technology. (Oh yeah, and learn COBOL so you can save the world from impending disaster.)
Fifth, I don’t think that Stephen Hawking has recanted on two points. His question was if time travel is possible, where are all the time travelers? I have yet to see that question retracted. Also, he formulated the Chronology Protection Conjecture. If any one knows that he has in fact retracted those two points, title of book and page number, please.
Those are my objections to those who claim to be time travelers. I’ve noticed that someone is reaping the economic benefits by publishing a book by John Titor. Maybe Zeshua is hoping for the same thing.
Now, I have some thoughts on who the real persons are who posted as J T and Z. J T is a history professor who taught at University of Florida and is now teaching at University of Nebraska. He is known to make snide remarks about Microsoft. He was born around 1962 and may have been in the US Army in the 1980's. He has one son named John who should be around 8 years old. He was probably the only one in Nebraska celebrating the Gator’s win over Ohio State. His wife is the one handling the book deal through a lawyer who has never met her.
Z is a former employee of that psychic hotline that went bankrupt. (They never saw that coming.) Z is bored with the job that Z has had since then as a postal clerk and has decided to use the psychic training to “predict†current events from a “future†time. This is all done as a public service.
As for me, when I wish to time travel, I pop open a history book or use the nice history software from the store. Also there’s a lot of information of historic value on the internet. Oh yeah, and I work for the CIA profiling time travelers and undermining their efforts to bring us a better world. (Just kidding!)
Thorolf
P.S. This isn't a direct reply to any one person. These are just my thoughts on the original question of this thread.
First, let's pretend that Zeshua is the real deal. How do we know that Z is posting from our future? Z may be posting from a different world line and either is lying or doesn't know it. Z can claim just about anything and we would never know it.
Second, J T and Z are both very skilled at being vague. They both have said things that could be interpreted a hundred different ways. Reminds me of Nostradamus and the daily horoscope.
Third, let's run with alternate world lines from which we would have to suppose that there are an infinite number of universes. Only about half of all possible universes would have life in them. Only a very small percentage of the universes with life would have the solar system as we know it with the surrounding stars as we know them. (Would Scorpius or Ursa Major be known by their respective names if these constellations had completely different configurations?) Even if the stars were in the “right place†what about the thousand or more major historic events that gave us the languages that we speak, our religions, our politics and our forms of government. What would the world be like if the Carthaginians had defeated the Romans and had established the Carthaginian Empire instead? What if the Romans had systematically exterminated all Christians and Jews? What if Harald Hardradi of Norway had won the battle of Stamford Bridge and afterwards managed to defeat William of Normandy? What if the Vikings had managed to colonize North America? (The little ice age helped to prevent that. However, in an alternate universe, the little ice age did not occur and the Vikings did colonize North America.) What if George Washington had been defeated by the British? What if the South had won the Civil War? What if the Germans had won World War II? If the infinite number of universes turns out to be the correct model then some poor souls are living in universes where evil triumphed over good. (Horrors! That means I have an alternate personality who speaks German and says Heil Hitler.) Now the problem I see is if you have the technology to jump from one universe to another how do you avoid jumping into a universe that is the result of a series of unfortunate events. (My apologies to Lemony Snickett.) I for one will not volunteer to try out a time machine. There are many more interesting ways to commit suicide.
Fourth, J T’s technology sucks. His time machine diagram is labeled with OCR type. And one of his missions was to dig up an ancient IBM computer with amazing capabilities. I guess he didn’t read the Wall Street Journal articles in 1998 or 1999 that told how the US Army now has officers who are skilled in using Powerpoint. Yes, that’s a believable story. We invented a time machine in 2032 using dinosaur computer technology. (Oh yeah, and learn COBOL so you can save the world from impending disaster.)
Fifth, I don’t think that Stephen Hawking has recanted on two points. His question was if time travel is possible, where are all the time travelers? I have yet to see that question retracted. Also, he formulated the Chronology Protection Conjecture. If any one knows that he has in fact retracted those two points, title of book and page number, please.
Those are my objections to those who claim to be time travelers. I’ve noticed that someone is reaping the economic benefits by publishing a book by John Titor. Maybe Zeshua is hoping for the same thing.
Now, I have some thoughts on who the real persons are who posted as J T and Z. J T is a history professor who taught at University of Florida and is now teaching at University of Nebraska. He is known to make snide remarks about Microsoft. He was born around 1962 and may have been in the US Army in the 1980's. He has one son named John who should be around 8 years old. He was probably the only one in Nebraska celebrating the Gator’s win over Ohio State. His wife is the one handling the book deal through a lawyer who has never met her.
Z is a former employee of that psychic hotline that went bankrupt. (They never saw that coming.) Z is bored with the job that Z has had since then as a postal clerk and has decided to use the psychic training to “predict†current events from a “future†time. This is all done as a public service.
As for me, when I wish to time travel, I pop open a history book or use the nice history software from the store. Also there’s a lot of information of historic value on the internet. Oh yeah, and I work for the CIA profiling time travelers and undermining their efforts to bring us a better world. (Just kidding!)
Thorolf
P.S. This isn't a direct reply to any one person. These are just my thoughts on the original question of this thread.