NSA conducts Domestic Surveillance on Web

How far does the new wiretap law go?

FAQ: How far does the new wiretap law go?

By Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+far+does+the+new+wiretap+law+go/2100-1029_3-6201032.html?tag=st.num

Published: August 6, 2007, 1:40 PM PDT

Just before leaving town for a month's vacation, a divided U.S. Congress acceded to President George Bush's requests for expanded Internet and telephone surveillance powers.

Over strong objections from civil liberties groups and many Democrats, legislators voted over the weekend to temporarily rewrite a 1978 wiretapping law that the Bush administration claimed was hindering antiterrorism investigations.

To help explain what the Protect America Act of 2007 means, CNET News.com has prepared the following Frequently Asked Questions, or FAQ list.

What does the new Protect America Act actually do?
The new law effectively expands the National Security Agency's power to eavesdrop on phone calls, e-mail messages and other Internet traffic with limited court oversight. Telecommunications companies can be required to comply with government demands, and if they do so they are immune from all lawsuits.

It also says, as George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr notes, that 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants are not needed for Internet or telephone "surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States." What that means is that the National Security Agency can plug into a switch inside the United States (when monitoring someone outside the country) without seeking a court order in advance.

How long will this law last?
The law signed by Bush is set to "sunset" in 180 days. That addition was tacked on as an amendment after last-minute negotiations among politicians and the Bush administration, who remain at odds over how a permanent law should be worded.

"Our main objective at this point was to ensure that a bill passed that would give us the tools we needed to continue to fight the war on terror," a spokeswoman for Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell told CNET News.com on Monday. "The politics of it were such that that was the concession we were willing to make in order to get this bill passed sooner than later."

Translation: If the protracted skirmishing over the Patriot Act renewal is any indicator, this won't be settled easily, quickly or amicably.

Why did House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leadership bring this bill to a vote over the weekend, instead of delaying it until fall or killing it outright?
The short answer? Political concerns. House of Representatives rules let the majority party control the schedule of votes, so Pelosi had the power to push back a vote indefinitely. In fact, Pelosi even said the legislation "does violence to the Constitution of the United States."

Many Democrats were worried about rushing to approve a bill just before Congress left town for a summer holiday. "Legislation should not be passed in response to fear-mongering," said Rep. Rush Holt of New Jersey.

But in the end, the Democratic leadership became fearful about appearing weak in the so-called "War on Terror" and interfering with intelligence gathering, and scheduled the vote before they left town. Liberal publications such as Mother Jones responded by saying: "The Democrats can rest easily over the August recess knowing that they haven't left themselves vulnerable to political attacks. The rest of us can worry about whether the NSA is using its enhanced surveillance authority to spy on Americans." An article on DailyKos.com was even less complimentary.

Weren't there some concerns about a recent court ruling?
Yes, although details remain murky. House Minority Leader John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, told Fox News last week: "There's been a ruling, over the last four or five months, that prohibits the ability of our intelligence services and our counterintelligence people from listening in to two terrorists in other parts of the world where the communication could come through the United States." Because the ruling--and even the existence of a ruling--is not public, there's no way to tell what's really going on.

A subsequent Los Angeles Times article says it was a ruling by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that imposed new restrictions on the National Security Agency's ability to intercept communications that are between people overseas, but that "transit" U.S. data networks operated by Internet service providers and telecommunications companies. The newspaper, citing an anonymous source, said the FISA ruling dealt with a request for a "basket warrant," meaning a kind of dragnet approach rather than warrants issued on a case-by-case basis for surveillance of specific terrorism suspects.

The Washington Post elaborated on the impact of the ruling, saying its effect was to block the NSA's efforts to collect information from a large volume of foreign calls and e-mails that pass through U.S. communications nodes clustered around New York and California.

The FISA court is relevant because Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said in January that the Bush administration would seek its approval for future electronic surveillance.

What does this mean for lawsuits against the telecommunications companies for allegedly opening their networks to the NSA in violation of federal law?
It may be too early to tell. The Justice Department declined to comment about the various pending suits, and the ACLU said it was still assessing the effect of the new law on its case.The law does immunize telecommunications companies going forward, but does not exempt them from legal liability before this week. So the court challenges would become weaker but could, at least in theory, continue.

What are groups that support privacy and individual rights saying about all of this?
American Civil Liberties Union Executive Director Anthony Romero said: "That a Democratically-controlled Senate would be strong-armed by the Bush administration is astonishing. This Congress may prove to be as spineless in standing up to the Bush administration as the one that enacted the Patriot Act or the Military Commissions Act."

The Cato Institute's Tim Lynch wrote: "If a member of Congress does not support the proposal under consideration, it means he or she is too 'soft.' Even though we're about six years past 9/11 and even with the track record of Attorney General Gonzales, most legislators put their reservations aside, curl up into the fetal position and say 'I am against the terrorists too,' as they vote in favor."

What do telephone companies think about this new law?
A: Representatives from Quest, Verizon and AT&T--which has hinted in the past about how it could be required to cooperate with the NSA--declined to comment. Last year, AT&T accidentally leaked information in a legal brief that sought to offer benign reasons why a San Francisco switching center would provide a mechanism to monitor Internet and telephone traffic.

McConnell told Democratic congressional leaders in a private meeting late last week that some major telecommunications firms are concerned about the law's provision that could force them to cooperate with law enforcement based on orders from the attorney general or the DNI, a Democratic congressional aide told News.com. The companies reportedly indicated they would rather comply with a court-sanctioned warrant.

Why is the Bush administration making such a fuss about getting these new powers, anyway? Doesn't it already believe programs like the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program are already legal?
It's true that the Bush administration has steadfastly defended the legality of a National Security Agency undertaking publicly known as the "Terrorist Surveillance Program," which officials have indicated in recent weeks is just one of many such intelligence programs that the government has been operating. More broadly, the administration has been agitating with increasing urgency over the past year or so for changes to FISA because it claims the law has become outmoded, delaying critical intelligence collection.

FISA said that investigators generally must obtain warrants from a secret court before tapping into communications with foreigners that originate in the United States. But intelligence officials have argued that because communications today are often physically routed through American soil, distinguishing between calls and e-mails that occur inside and outside the country only stymies their efforts to snoop on suspects. "Simply due to technology changes since 1978, court approval should not now be required for gathering intelligence from foreigners located overseas," McConnell said in a recent statement.

Opponents to such changes, such as the ACLU, argue that FISA has already been updated dozens of times since 1978 and that the justifications for further tweaks offered by the Bush administration are really just looking for new ways to wiretap Americans without a warrant.

Which presidential candidates voted for or against the wiretapping bill?
Voting against the bill: Democrats Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd and Dennis Kucinich.

Voting for the bill: Republican Sam Brownback.

John McCain and Ron Paul did not vote, but based on his congressional record and public statements, Paul would have likely opposed the legislation. The Senate voting results and House of Representatives results are now online.

Did the votes in the U.S. Congress fall mostly along party lines?
Yes. In the Senate vote on Friday night, not one Republican joined the 28 Democrats who voted against the measure, though 15 Democrats were among the 60 members who voted for the bill.

Some Democrats who voted to approve the bill indicated they did so based on the experience of members of their party who are on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "They chose to give significant weight and deference to the intelligence community on FISA reform, and so did I," freshman Virginia Sen. Jim Webb said in a statement.

On the House side, 41 Democrats joined the 186 Republicans voting for the bill's passage, while just two Republicans joined the 181 Democrats opposing it.

What happens when this thing expires? Is there any chance it'll be replaced with something different before then?
Both supporters and opponents of the law already have begun publicizing their hopes for the next version of the law. "Our work is not done," President Bush said in a statement after signing the bill--which he characterized as a "temporary, narrowly focused statute"--on Sunday. He called for "comprehensive reform," singling out "the important issue of providing meaningful liability protection to those who are alleged to have assisted our nation following the attacks of September 11, 2001." He was almost undoubtedly referring to shielding the telephone companies that allegedly assisted the government in a less-than-legal way.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, meanwhile, has already sent a letter to fellow Democrats Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Silvestre Reyes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, instructing them to craft a new bill that "responds comprehensively to the administration's proposal while addressing the many deficiencies" in the approved law.

Details on that new proposal weren't immediately clear, but a Conyers representative said the chairmen "will want to move swiftly on introducing and moving the legislation in September."

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Interesting... We'll see what the next version of the law is...

TheCigMan
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

Is there a single living soul, that doesn't already think that this bill, was just another turn on the wheel, that is already on motion. This spin just make it legal, and it was done by those who you guys trusted to be the honest of all. Would you guys have voted it, by knowing what you already know, if they would have asked? Does illegal surveillance gets legal if it get stamped by a law. Is it right to spy on own people and do what they do, when enough becomes enough. I think if we would have gone by Titor sayings, then the world would be already in turmoil that leads Europe to 'bloody catastrophy' and America in 'civil war'. However, if you think that Titor was right, then the way the US government is acting, is much along like of way his talking about the event before the bombings. Maybe we really are the 'useless people, who had everything, but didn't do jack s***'.
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

ctg,

Most people in America will ignore it. It's an american culture thing.

Any talk of the "NSA" is considered "extremely paranoid" and makes you eligible for the looney bin. :)

There is this widely accepted notion that anyone "who worries" is "paranoid"..

It's very strange.

I would say it's the CIA's greatest achievement.

If only they knew the truth as to how much Americans are "wiretapped"...

TheCigMan

As for "Maybe we really are the 'useless people, who had everything, but didn't do jack s***'."

You might be right...
 
WSJ attacks \"TheCigMan\" for NSA Stance :)

Reason and Wiretaps
August 8, 2007

By Some Right Wing Neocon Nutbag at the Wall Street Journal :) <Added by TheCigMan>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118653676253891266.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

To hear the critics tell it, the warrantless wiretapping law passed by Congress this weekend is an immoral license for a mad President Bush and his spymasters to eavesdrop on all Americans. For those willing to believe such things, mere facts don't matter. But for anyone still amenable to reason, the deal is worth parsing for its national security precedents, good and bad. The next Democratic President might be grateful.

The good news is that the new law will at least allow the National Security Agency to monitor terrorist communications again. That ability has been severely limited since January, when Mr. Bush agreed to put the wiretap program under the supervision of a special court created by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The new law provides a six-month fix to the outdated FISA provision that had defined even foreign-to-foreign calls as subject to a U.S. judicial warrant.

The first duty of Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell is to prevent the next terrorist attack, and it's disgraceful that some have vilified him for trying to revive our intelligence ability in that cause. His effort has been no different, and no less honorable, than a general arguing for more troops.

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But it's important to understand for the debate ahead why all of this has become so ferociously controversial. Opposition from the Democratic left to this intelligence program isn't merely part of the partisan blood feud against a weak President near the end of his term. It is part of a far larger ideological campaign to erode Presidential war powers. Goaded by the ACLU and much of the press corps, many Democrats want to use the courts and lawsuits to restrict Mr. Bush and future Presidents in their ability to gather intelligence in the war on terror. For a flavor of this strategy, spend a few minutes on the ACLU's Web site.

In that regard, even the weekend deal is far from encouraging. For example, the new law does not offer explicit liability protection for telecom companies that cooperate with the wiretap program. Instead, the most Democrats would accept is language to "compel" the cooperation of these companies going forward. The Administration hope is that this "I had no choice" claim will be an adequate defense against future lawsuits, but in the U.S. tort lottery that is no sure thing.

Meantime, Democrats blocked any retroactive liability protection for companies that thought they were doing their patriotic duty by cooperating with the National Security Agency after 9/11. The goal here isn't merely to open another rich target for the tort bar. It is to use lawsuits to raise the costs for private actors of cooperating with the executive branch. Even if they lose at the ballot box or in Congress, these antiwar activists still might be able to hamstring the executive via the courts.

That's also the explicit strategy in trying to expand the reach of the special FISA court to all wiretaps, foreign and domestic. The left is howling that the NSA will no longer need a FISA warrant for each wiretap (of which there were 2,176 in 2006). That's the best part of the bill. But the Administration did concede to let FISA judges review the procedures for wiretapping up to 120 days after the fact. If a judge objects, the wiretapping can at least continue, pending appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.

This is the kind of review that judges are neither allowed to perform under the Constitution, nor equipped to provide as a matter of policy. Whatever the merits of the 1978 FISA law, no Administration has ever conceded that that law trumped a President's power to make exceptions to FISA if national security requires it. To do so would be a direct infringement on the President's Article II powers as Commander in Chief to protect the nation against its enemies.

The courts have been explicit about this, with the FISA appellate court asserting in a 2002 opinion (In Re: Sealed Case) that "We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power." FISA established a process by which certain domestic wiretaps in the context of the Cold War could be approved, not a limit on what wiretaps were ever allowed.

In the weekend deal, the Bush Administration grants the FISA court power to review procedures even for foreign communications, which is unprecedented. Under Article III of the Constitution, the courts are granted the power to settle disputes. The judiciary also has power under the Fourth Amendment, which gives courts the ability to issue warrants. But nowhere does the Constitution empower our nation's judges to serve as foreign policy advisers or reviewers of intelligence policy. Judges have no particular expertise on intelligence, and in any case they are unaccountable to voters if their decisions are faulty. Recent news reports have suggested that several current FISA judges are uncomfortable with making such intelligence decisions, and rightly so.

As for the possibility that Presidents will abuse this power, fear of exposure is an even more powerful disincentive than legal constraint. The political costs of being seen as spying on Americans for partisan ends would be tremendous. Congress, on the other hand, is only too happy to use the courts to squeeze executive power, in part because this allows the Members to dodge responsibility themselves. If there's another terror attack, the President still gets the blame even if some unelected judge refused a warrant. Congress can blame everyone else.

This is a statutory version of Senator Jay Rockefeller's famous decision to write a letter to Dick Cheney objecting to the warrantless wiretap program after he'd been briefed on it, but then sticking the letter (literally) in a drawer. Only after the program was exposed did he unearth the letter to show he'd objected all along, though he'd done nothing at all to stop it.

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Like El Presidente Bush doesn't have dictorship like powers now? :)

Laughable :)

TheCigMan
 
Leahy sets final deadline for WH - wiretapping doc

Leahy sets final deadline for White House on wiretapping docs

Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday August 8, 2007

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Leahy_sets_final_deadline_for_WH_0808.html

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee has given the White House another 12 days to hand over documents it requested nearly six weeks ago regarding the administration's legal justifications for its warrantless wiretapping program.

"Despite my patience and flexibility, you have rejected every proposal," Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) wrote in a letter to White House counsel Fried Fielding. The administration has "produced none of the responsive documents, provided no basis for any claim of privilege and no accompanying log of withheld documents."

The requested documents relate to President Bush's authorization of a foreign surveillance program he approved in the wake of Sept. 11. Just before adjourning last week for a month-long recess, Congress approved a temporary expansion of the government's ability to spy on conversations between people in the US and surveillance targets abroad. The legislation, which expires after six months, allows the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on such phone calls and e-mails without first getting a warrant.

In June, the Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the Justice Department, National Security Council, the White House and the Office of the Vice President seeking information on the program. Existence of the program was first revealed by the New York Times in December 2005.

Leahy first gave the White House until July 18 to produce the documents, and then he agreed to give the administration until Aug. 1 to comply. The letter to Fielding sent Wednesday sets Aug. 20 at 2:30 p.m. as the "new return date" for the subpoenas.

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Interesting...

TheCigMan
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

TheCigman, I find it funny that people think that the NSA talk is being paranoid. It is because I have many times talked to many people about the NSA and what they can do, at the end they are very fine with and not surprised at all.

Would you feel surprised, if I told you that any transmissions inside the States is monitored, tagged, analysed and filed in real-time?
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003914.php

What's happening in Room 641A of 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco remains one of the most closely-held secrets in the U.S. government. According to a former AT&T employee who assisted two technicians cleared to work in the telecommunications complex on Folsom Street, 641A served as a vacuum cleaner for phone calls and e-mails of terrorism suspects, routing them to the National Security Agency.

The claims made by the ex-employee, Mark Klein, are the basis for a class-action lawsuit against AT&T and affiliated telecoms for illegally harvesting information from U.S. citizens. Tomorrow, reports The Washington Post, judges from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will hear arguments as to whether the class action should go forward -- or whether the government is right that 641A is a state secret, and can't be litigated without compromising national security. The answer probably won't be determinative -- both sides have vowed to appeal up to the Supreme Court -- but if the case is shut down, a public window on the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance activities, recently blessed by a Congressional overhaul of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, will slam shut.

As many have suspected since the 2005 disclosure of the warrantless surveillance program, what Klein has described at Room 641A is a capacity that far exceeds the technical ability to focus on mere international communication. Essentially, it's part of a West Coast-based constellation of communication hubs of fiber optic cables that the government instructed telecoms to physically tap.

Klein provided a detailed list of 16 communications networks and exchanges targeted in San Francisco, including MAE-West, a Verizon-owned Internet hub that is among the largest in the country. Klein also said "splitter cabinets" similar to the one on Folsom Street were installed in Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego.

[J. Scott] Marcus, the former FCC adviser, said in a legal declaration recently unsealed in the case that the operation described by Klein "is neither modest nor limited" and was far more extensive than needed if it was focused only on international communications or on tasks other than surveillance.

"I conclude that AT&T has constructed an extensive -- and expensive -- collection of infrastructure that collectively has all the capability necessary to conduct large-scale covert gathering of [Internet protocol]-based communications information, not only for communications to overseas locations, but for purely domestic communications as well," said Marcus, a veteran computer network executive who worked at GTE, Genuity and other companies before joining the FCC.

The Justice Department contends that the whole enterprise is a state secret, and that both the class action and a related suit -- filed by an al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic charity that says it has proof of being wiretapped -- need to be accordingly dismissed. Klein, according to the DOJ, was a mere "line technician who . . . never had access to the 'secret room' he purports to describe." (Needless to say, it's not confirming whether 641A is anything like what Klein says it is.) Challenging the standing of the plaintiffs to sue is important: judges dismissed a similar case brought by the ACLU last year on the grounds that no one involved in the suit could prove he or she had been surveilled -- the occurrence of which, of course, is itself secret.

But if the case progresses, it underscores why President Bush sought widespread retroactive liability protection for telecoms that, in his famous phrase earlier this month, "are alleged to have assisted our Nation following the attacks of September 11, 2001." Before the program was brought under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act for secret-court review, telecoms simply complied (or, perhaps in some cases, didn't; we don't know) with administrative demands for culling surveillance despite the law. Should the Ninth Circuit panel reject the government's arguments and allow the case to proceed, even those who can't prove they've been surveilled might have grounds to sue telecom companies, a nightmare scenario to a Bush administration that fears a chilling effect on compliance with the National Security Agency.

The case is set to go before the three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit tomorrow at 2 pm West Coast time. Stay tuned.

Update: This post originally misreported that the panel will decide the two cases tomorrow, when in fact it will hear arguments on them and subsequently rule. I regret the error, and thank reader KB for pointing it out.
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

ctg,

As for "TheCigman, I find it funny that people think that the NSA talk is being paranoid. It is because I have many times talked to many people about the NSA and what they can do, at the end they are very fine with and not surprised at all."

The CIA have been working with Psychiatric foundations for years :)

Probably to prevent 'conspiracy theorists' into looking into the JFK Assassination and Cuba Plots :)

They have 'social engineered' a culture that anyone who "worries" or "is concerned" is scorned by their peers as "paranoid"

People in America don't even know that it is the NSA that is the biggest intelligence agency NOT THE CIA.

Would you feel surprised, if I told you that any transmissions inside the States is monitored, tagged, analysed and filed in real-time? group for years :)]

As an American and 'a guy with computer science degree', I cannot comment.

TheCigMan
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

"As an American and 'a guy with computer science degree', I cannot comment."

Not every IT pod know what you know, and not every man has your integrity to say what you have said.
 
Re: How far does the new wiretap law go?

"As an American and 'a guy with computer science degree', I cannot comment."

wasnt even a smiley behind that one, uh oh...
 
TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS - MEAT PUPPETS

We can tell you now who are the Meat Puppets...

It is people who use the following technologies:

Cell Phones (Microwaves)
PDAs like the Blackberry and iPhone (Microwaves)
Personal Computers (CRT scenese and wi-FI (Microwaves)
TVs (CRT and 3 Electron Gun Color)
Radio Hand Set Phones (Sublimial undetectable tones)
Land line phones (Rings have subliminal undectable tones)
Microwave Ovens (Microwave Pychotronic Generator in your home)
Edison Lights (Pychotronic Lightwave Weapons)

The HUMAN BRAIN has a "MICROWAVE LIKE" THOUGHT SIGNALS for your INNER MONOLOGUE!!!

You shouldn't use these technologies or technologies in unison in home.

YOU can be REPROGRAMMED into a CYBERTRONIC MEAT PUPPET for THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

Your MIND will be REPROGRAMMED for EVIL!!!

We finally understand what ADMIRAL POINDEXTER meant by TOTAL INFORAMATION AWARENESS and HUMAN RESOURCING!!!

IT's a HORROR SHOW!!! SO BAD WE CAN'T TELL YOU!!!

Eliminate or cut down on your usage of these technologies...

Use only 1 at a time...



TheCigMan
 
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