My conclusion is The John Titor Story is fiction.

Skarpz

Skarpz

Quantum Scribe
No one person could have lived through all that and sure maybe it's all prediction but the story itself is just a story and a fictional one. There is no real John Titor, but it's a cool story bro.
 
Great observation, Skarpz. But I am very aware that there was someone impersonating TimeTravel_0 in forums and chat rooms to set up the story. You should talk to Pamela about it and give her some evidence of your findings, so that she will no longer be delusional about John Titor, unless she is one of those behind the making of the story and has lied to people all throughout the past 12 years.

How about Eloi Cole? What is your conclusion about him?

Notice the time travel theory behind the 2 stories.

TimeTravel_0 (John Titor): Cannot change the past, multi-world view/timelines, anything changes in the past does not affect the future.

Eloi Cole: Past can be changed and he takes action about it. As the time traveler made the changes, the original timeline vanished and become the new changed timeline. Problem is the long-argued Grandfather Paradox.

There are scientists who supported both of these 2 theories.They have been theories for a long time in Quantum Physics. What are your thoughts about this?
 
I know that you don't understand that I'm a fictional writer and a method actor. Don't believe anything I say, but go on your own judgment. I can't tell you the truth. It's something you have to discover yourself. I'm just trying to make it to Hollywood is all. Oh and I play Vampire the Masquerade as a way of getting into my acting career. Any information I may give you may be disinformation or information without proof, but there is proof that this is fiction. This has been proven by Darby.
 
Skarpz said:
I can't tell you the truth. It's something you have to discover yourself. I'm just trying to make it to Hollywood is all.
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Does it mean you know the truth when you say "I can't tell you the truth"? I leave the ideas in my last post open so that people can join into the discussion. (Remember this is a "Time Travel Discusssion" board). ;)

I play Vampire the Masquerade as a way of getting into my acting career.
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The only Vampire I liked in the movies is Brad Pitt in "Interview with Vampires". I used to read vampire books in the library in high school and learn all the methods how to finish a vampire. :p

Talk about the undead, here are some interesting stories to read.

Skeletons buried with stones in mouths to 'stop them returning as zombies' discovered in Ireland | Mail Online

'Vampire' Plague Victim Spurs Gruesome Debate | LiveScience
 
Eloi Cole: Past can be changed and he takes action about it. As the time traveler made the changes, the original timeline vanished and become the new changed timeline. Problem is the long-argued Grandfather Paradox.
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The problem with this scenario, I believe, goes even deeper than the grandfather paradox. If the "original" history disappears and is replaced how can the time traveler be aware, in the future, of a set of events that no longer exist? And what happens if 100 ( or 100,000) seperate time travelers all go back and individually change history in different ways?

The Crab Nebula is estimated to be 6,500 LY away. It was first observed in 1054 as a super nova. So the original star blew up about 7,500 years ago. A thousand years from now (not really enough time but let's just go with 1,000 years) we're a super society that can both manipulate stars and time travel. We decide that we really don't like the look of the Crab Nebula. We'd rather it was a stable star on the Main Sequence. We travel back in time 8,500 years (and space) and "fix" the star. No super nova thus no Crab Nebula. But if the past history is wiped out and replaced, what of the 8,500 LY radius of the light that had been emitted from the super nova? "Fixing" the star is one thing, reaching out and instantly wiping out the light from a distance of 8,500 LY is a bit more paradoxical than the grandfather paradox.

And if we could actually change history in this manner we would have no memory of the Crab Nebula. No Crab Nebula - no motivation to fix anything. There's nothing to time travel to fix. The real paradox here is that the situation is not self-consistent.
 
Darby said:
The problem with this scenario, I believe, goes even deeper than the grandfather paradox. If the "original" history disappears and is replaced how can the time traveler be aware, in the future, of a set of events that no longer exist? And what happens if 100 ( or 100,000) seperate time travelers all go back and individually change history in different ways?

And if we could actually change history in this manner we would have no memory of the Crab Nebula. No Crab Nebula - no motivation to fix anything. There's nothing to time travel to fix. The real paradox here is that the situation is not self-consistent.
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Hi Darby,

So do you think time travel backward is impossible, or if the time traveler's action is setted and cannot be changed in his "fate" if he time travel to the past?

Or, do you think the individual who has changed the cause of history will have any memory back in his mind, but since everyone in the world does not know the change in the past, so the time traveler who spoke about the event would be classified as delusional by others?

Let's say it in the Crab Nebula's case, no one "remember" the existence of Crab Nebula, but only the time traveler himself in the past. And he cannot return to the future time because there was no motivation of time travel in the first place? Nor does he travel in time in the future, therefore, eventually the time traveller who was in the past vanished from existence? Just a thought.
 
Great conclusion Skarpz...I will have to say that given the conditions your conclusion is quite valid...I stand by your side.

Now...about Temporal Dynamics.

We all have our theories about what happens when one goes back and changes time. Please listen to mine. Every temporal reality has a core matrix where every major event is registered as it occurs. Therefore every event, every instant is recorded as a point and given a sequence.

Each time a point is changed or diverted from the still original timeline the sequence is not changed in itself, but another sub sequence is added to the first sequence, thus a new alternate reality (which is real to all experiencing) will emerge.

Whenever this occurs a whole new universe is recreated at a quantum level up to that point of divergence and a new reality will manifest itself with people adjusted to the change in the past. However, those involved in the actual divergence (and I mean the onesw who caused it and where back in time) will not forget their previous past because they actually belong to a previous sequence in time and that sequence is registered in a let's say a sixteenth dimensional temporal matrix manifold.

This is why time travelers will still retain their memories after having changed in the past and find themselves there actually causing the paradox.

Of course this, in time, will create a very cnfusing "present" for a time traveler. Having a wide range of the most unaccurate memories of history ever.
 
Just so you knwo that Darby does speak the truth on things. I'm just hoping for a Star Trek style world. We are launching starships soon like I mentioned in another post. iPad are the next big thing and Apple is going to exclusively focus on that. I'm going to bring back the desktop gaming and cheaper internet TVs or make my own console like the OUYA eventually and compete against them. That's my future goals if my writing and acting skills don't pan out. I have more options but this seems interesting enough.

Oh and I don't know what the truth is but I'm just saying that you can find out what the truth is if you look but you might never find the answer. Darby seems to know the truth. So, listen to Darby and he can verify you what the truth is. I trust in him and RainmanTime. They always keep me in check with reality.
 
Skarpz said:
No one person could have lived through all that and sure maybe it's all prediction but the story itself is just a story and a fictional one. There is no real John Titor, but it's a cool story bro.
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The story is a combination of a GURPs role-playing, apocalyptic time-line from Steve Jackson's game with just a few dates and elements altered. It is also from the plot of the book "Alas Babylon" with just a few of the details altered.

The pictures of the time displacement unit are just combinations of old radio parts in a standard military box housing with some Civil Defense radiological equipment.

John Titor was a very smart and articulate guy. You would think he would at least cover the Civil Defense stickers and change the details of his story so that it wouldn't be traced to its sources. So why didn't he?

Because he wanted to create a story and a world in which we would be intrigued enough to listen to his message. A message of lies mixed in with very important truths. None of his "prediction" dates are correct and he intentionally did this.

Think. If you were a time traveler and you went into the past and showed real pictures of your time traveling device with real schematics showing how to build one.. If you gave exact dates for when things were going to happen.. a desperate person would kill your family, torture you to find out everything you know that would give them an advantage or help them win some kind of gambling, and take your stuff.
 
I agree with you. His story is rather odd. However, why would people vouch for him? If John Titor was a convincing act of lies and adulterations, why did we listen so much and so hard? The answer is that we have to be very careful. We live in a world where half our hopes are burning fast, in a world where there is no guidance, no support. Thus, when Super People arrive (that is people with exceptional stories) we want to believe them, just enough to take the pain of our everyday lives away. I know people that left their families, their families to dedicate to Titor. Can you believe that? Titor gave to the hopeless some hope, however since it was a fallacious monstrosity he did exactly what is expected of Super People, the minute they get burned they go away, and that he did. Leaving behind a half broken down credulous lot looking for their temporal messiah.

Several times I challenged people with his predictions. Utterly predictable and expected, in fact some of them were so vague that people started saying; "ooh he is such a time traveler that he is now being criptic...oh...that is so John Titor"

Please....that is pathetic.

We should be on the lookout for personages like him in the future or past. We should be diligent in questioning and not wanting to believe outright lies. That would make very sorry fools of ourselves and we don't deserve it. We deserve respect and truth.
 
I must say that this thread is one of the best in a while. Cheers to good discussion! I like hearing everyone's conclusions and theories on john and consequence of "time travel".
 
Skarpz said:
No one person could have lived through all that and sure maybe it's all prediction but the story itself is just a story and a fictional one. There is no real John Titor, but it's a cool story bro.
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Time Traveller happy endings results


Kind of what time traveller could be used for if you get my drift i wont show you the other side its messy.

:)

The jt transcript is the paradox.
 
It is really elaborate and it seems like it is the missing story with The Terminator when you see the nuked city. I mean if you see the film Terminator 2 then that would be it. The guy must have been a genius in writing it and based it off of Terminator 2 where parts weren't explained. I think it's cool, but still fictional. Just an elaborate scheme to make money is all.
 
servantx said:
Hi Darby,

So do you think time travel backward is impossible, or if the time traveler's action is setted and cannot be changed in his "fate" if he time travel to the past?

Or, do you think the individual who has changed the cause of history will have any memory back in his mind, but since everyone in the world does not know the change in the past, so the time traveler who spoke about the event would be classified as delusional by others?

Let's say it in the Crab Nebula's case, no one "remember" the existence of Crab Nebula, but only the time traveler himself in the past. And he cannot return to the future time because there was no motivation of time travel in the first place? Nor does he travel in time in the future, therefore, eventually the time traveller who was in the past vanished from existence? Just a thought.
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Servantx,

We have certain laws of physics. Many of them involve conserved quantities. One such law is the conservation of energy, the first law of thermodynamics. But that particular law has been more generalized to include conservation of information. The transmission of information involves some form of energy. Absent rigorous proof that justifies the complete disappearance of the information I'm not even close to being sold on the idea that "the original timeline vanished and become the new changed timeline." Photons, like the photons from the explosion in the Crab Nebula, don't magically disappear and biochemical information stored in several billion human brains doesn't magically disappear. Aside from the photons scattered by the explosion in the Crab Nebula there's the 2-3 solar masses of "stuff" blown off that appears as the gas cloud that has been expanding at ~1,500 km/sec for the past 6,500 years. It just magically disappears when we "fix" the star and reappears back inside the star? And the population of every other planet within 6,500 LY of the Crab Nebula also suddenly forget that the star blew up? (I don't know that there are any occupied planets within the 6,500 LY radius but just roll with it as a "for instance.")

Handwaving pseudo-science Internet palaver posited by self proclaimed time travelers doesn't qualify as evidence.

So do you think time travel backward is impossible
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Impossible? That's a word not usually found in science. Science deals with probabilities. The currently available evidence is stacked high and wide against the probability that ponderous masses like human beings can travel to the past. Can that evidence change? Sure, that's a possibility - just not very likely.
 
Darby,

What happen if the time traveler jumped to an adjacent world of Crab Nebula, and the other planets and human minds are not "forgeting" that the star blew up, but the star never blew up in their world?

What I mean of jumping to adjacent world in time travel is like what Michio Kaku explained in this video. There was no memory in that world with the time traveler because it never happened, rather than they "forgot" it. The co-existence of both worlds in quantum theory of time.

 
If all worlds existed at the same time then time will devour all things, but to me that's fiction and this is the only timeline.
 
Skarpz said:
If all worlds existed at the same time then time will devour all things, but to me that's fiction and this is the only timeline.
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I remember Rainman said this in the other thread:

TIME = Matter X Motion

All three of these quantities are at least vectors, more generally they are multi-index tensors.
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If TIME in physics is a multi-index tensor (that has multi-values) rather than a scalar (that has only one value),
Then in theory, multi-world view (M-theory) can exist and is reality. It is the core of quantum status when 1 and 0 co-exists.
 
But 0 does not exist well it didn't in our time at least a long time ago until recently. Take away 0 you have 1. Add zero and you have 1. Plus 0 you have 1. Multiply by 0 you have 0. Divide by zero you have error. Unless someone else can explain for me.
 
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