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I'll start off bluntly. I'm NOT (Edit: Not was missing. Edited back in) going to claim I'm a Time Traveller (by technical difficulties, one cannot travel anyway - Do you know how fast Earth moves? The universe?) but I am going to provide something that twisted my mind on Time Experience (or if you want to boost your ego, Time Travel).

I'm sure all of you have, at some point in your lives, been awoken from the most wonderful of dreams just to meet some boring and daily task. You mutter, grumble, how you enjoyed the dream where you had what you wanted, were beating some guy up that you absolutely hated, saw a beutiful place etc...

What if I told you, that all your times of grumbling you had been ignoring one of the greatest possible discoveries of your life. Yes, you're thinking 'how do dreams and being awoken relate to time experiences/travel'?

Well, have you ever woken up normally (no interruptions) to go, 'hey, thats funny, I didn't dream'?

Here's the time paradox you're all going to love...

(Sigmund) Freud reckoned there was a defence system in your brain that erases your dreams to protect you from harm (he didn't know exactly what the harm could be). As demostrated when you have slept normally but have not dreamt. However, the process of erasing the dream cannot be completed (normally) if you are awoken abrutly. This is where the paradox lies - the awakening causes the dream to be 'remembered', but the dream is known before the awakening occurs! So the dream already predicts the awakening and you people didn't even know on it!

Yes, yes there are cases where you have woken up normally and remember, and have been awoken and don't remember (the defence system isn't perfect), but I bet you, for the most of the times where you remember your dreams, you were awoken by something or someone!

You quite literally slept on the problem! How's that, Time Travelled solved! And easy to prove!
 
I disagree with your statement that you only remember your dreams. I experience my dreams, and , if as you say correctly, are disturbed awake during REM sleep, then you will "remember" the dream you just experienced.

You do not dream every night. You don't need to, and sometimes, you don't want to. Lucid dream machines are simply a device that "almost" wakes you during REM sleep. A slight sound, some flashing LEDs, etc. can cause you to startle enought to just barely come out of REM and be conscious of what you were momentarily previously dreaming. REM is about frequency. The rate at which your brain waves are cycling. Time travel has to do with frequencies. Very low frequencies. The lower the freq, the longer the time span. That is why dreams that you experience as hours or even days or weeks long can happen in a matter of moments or minutes.

Try smoking some bananna peels and you'll see what I mean.

ps - i do know how fast the earth the solar system moves, however the universe requires certain software that I do not yet have.
 
I disagree with your statement that you only remember your dreams.
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'Only'? I did not state you only remembered them.

What I was trying to point out was, that, in most cases, the dreams are experienced before being awoken, as Freud says, being awoken disrupts the process that usually clears the dream. But how can the process know that you're going to be disrupted and let you experience the dream as it can't work?

Surely isn't that bending time?
 
"ut how can the process know that you're going to be disrupted and let you experience the dream as it can't work?"

uhhhhh.... could you please re-phrase the question?
 
Only issue with time, so hard to explain.
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Alright, I'll do it from the inverse (if that helps)...

When you dream, what usually follows after it ends is someone or something has awoken you...
Freud reckoned that the process of being awoken disrupted the system that stops you from remembering dreams... but this is a paradox, you dream before you are awoken, but the action of being woken up causes the dream!

Perhaps if I broke it down...

Action A (being awoken)
Action C (the system that removes dreams from memory)
Action B (dreaming)

Action C removes action B from memory. Action A stops action C occuring. Action B occurs before Action A, which is before Action A has a chance to disrupt action C, thus meaning Action B should not exist until it has done so but Action B already exists befor Action A. So Action B must predict action A for this paradox to work.
 
I smoke crack too! . Its ok.

"When you dream, what usually follows after it ends is someone or something has awoken you..."

I don t agree. I think you dream in times other than times when you are awoken. You just don;t remember them (thye have been erased). I also think that the body does not always dream.

The action of benig awoken, causes the memory of the dream, but not the dream itself.

When you are awake, you rbrain is cycling firings of synapses around 15-30 Hrtz. Wen you are drowsey, at about 12 hrtz. Sleeping at 7 hrtz. DREAMING (or REM sleep) at 2 Hrtz. When your conscious state (12Htrz) transitions to sleeping, you cross into the subconscious state. There is bottle neck there where the information from con and subcon do not flow back and forth fully (info just trickles for most people). Ithink that was Carl Youngs expansions of Freuds findings. Drugs, can alter the size of the bottle neck and open up new thoughts, which is appealing and why so many people become addicted to drugs. Freud loved his coke! Back to your q.

When your brain is running at 2 Hrtz you are dreaming. You are fully in a subconscious world. On a normal night, after you dream, your brain will raise its frequency slowly to waking waves at 12 Hrtz. as the brain passes through the bottle neck, around 7 Hrtz, the subcon informatio that is fresh in your head (your dream) is left behind. It is considered not needed for your conscious life. You wake up and do not remember the dream, however the fact that you dreamt could be shown through rapid eye movement during your REM sleep.

WHen you are REM sleep and awoken suddenly, your brain transitions from 2 to 12 Hrtz in a few seconds. The info of teh dream which fills your brains grey matter does not have time to be filtered out. The dream is remembered. Ever notice that when dreams are remembered and you et drowsey again and ready for bed, you all of asudden remember the dream again? Thats becaus ethe memories of the dream in your conscious mind are being associated with your crain waves at the 12 hrtz range, not the 20 -30 or even 40 hrtz range that you run on when you are driving, talking, at work, etc.

I do think there is a lack of linear time in the subconscious. which is why you can experience dreams that last weks or months in a single night. When that has happened to me I wake up fully exhausted and often can't stop thinking about the dream for days.

The big question I think is why is that balance needed between conc. and subcon, and why is the hole that connects the two so small?
 
The action of benig awoken, causes the memory of the dream, but not the dream itself.
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But if you 'remembered' it, that would occur AFTER being woken up. The dream takes place before it. Which is the paradox I'm trying to explain. The action causes the dream as it stops it being erased or forgotten, but it occurs after the dream. The dream occurs before the action. You get the idea. If time is differently perceived like you say then you are already changes the very basis of time itself - if you slow down, or speed up the perception of time, you have more or less time to react, which is bending the rules of time (and fair reaction tests) as we know it.

And interesting assumption about smoking crack. I haven't smoked, let alone taken drugs.
 
i think the key here that we are talking about is the division between conscious and subconscious. The dream happen in your linear time. After a dream, you can either A. not remember it (you awoke slowly) or B. remember it. Lucid dreamer know they are dreaming while dreaming, while most people only know they were dreaming after they wake (switch realities).

I;m not seeing the paradox here. jUST BEcause you only remember a dream after it occurred, does not mean that an event happened back in time from your memory. I think you mean to say that your conscious remembers the dream that your subconscious previously dreamt.
 
you only remember a dream after it occurred
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I did eh? But it's a strictly known fact that dreaming occurs before the awaking, so why would you say that I remembered it after I experienced if I experienced it before I remembered it?

Look at how you wake up tomorrow and tell me if you just remembered it or experienced it before-hand. Then you'll see the paradox I'm on about.
 
isn;t everything you remember you experience before hand? When I dream I know I'm dreaming. When I wake up I remember the dream, being in teh dream, and remember knowing I was dreaming while dreaming.

I remember my dream the same way I remember eating breakfast (mmmmmmmm blueberries and rice krispies).

Sometimes I don;t remember my dreams, and therefore I'm sure if I even was dreaming.

whats the paradox?
 
As I understand physics, as a layman, You can accomplish a whole lot of speed and movement with two stable blackholes. The "Z" machine can already produce unstable blackholes that "evaporate" almost as fast as they are created. I fully expect the C.E.R.N. to make stable blackholes within the next 15 years or sooner.

I would put Vegas odds on it.
 
You've asked consistantly 'what's the paradox' four times in a row despite repeat explainations in several different formats. Also, good sir, it is not to do with the fact if or if not you have a terrible memory after dreams, it only matters if you experience the dream before the event (being awoken unnaturally) occurs (which you do - as er, you dream whilst asleep).

Your counter argument would create an alternate paradox to the one I am explaining. If you remember, instead of experience the dream, then how do you come to have the dream in the first place?

Very simplified version of my own explaination. If you still don't get it, then most of your posts cannot give any relevant feedback (also known as being 'off-topic).

A causes B.
B occurs before A.

Which implies many things, including the distortion of time.


Titorite - If my own time experiences hold any water, they do succeed, and, it also miserably fails. If I am also not mistaken, it causes time to loop, although I am not sure. Experiences of the future are either incredibly vague if far into the future, or incredibly precise if very close. The problem with the gravimetric shears that as soon as you develop stable gravimetric shears they start pulling in everything around them - including each other. They do not cancel themselves out as first proposed. Orbit between objects is only achieved as one object is larger than the other, and, can I point out, no-one has ever seen a black hole orbiting another black hole without merging.
 
You can accomplish a whole lot of speed and movement with two stable blackholes.
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True. But you wouldn't want to be near a black hole, would you? So it isn't a practical way to send humans backwards in time.

The "Z" machine can already produce unstable blackholes that "evaporate" almost as fast as they are created.
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No it can't. It's a fusion reactor, isn't it? And fusion has NOTHING to do with blackholes.

I fully expect the C.E.R.N. to make stable blackholes within the next 15 years or sooner.
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No it won't. Granted that the LHC is about 50 billion times more powerful than the Z machine, but that's still far short of the energy required to create holes in spacetime.

Don't expect any blackholes coming out of any other 21st century accelerator, either.
 
No it won't. Granted that the LHC is about 50 billion times more powerful than the Z machine, but that's still far short of the energy required to create holes in spacetime.

Don't expect any blackholes coming out of any other 21st century accelerator, either.
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You say that with incredible certainty.

The LHC is a worrying device in itself. We intend to create a smaller version of one of the biggest (assumed to exist) explosions in the universe with an undefined limit to it's expansion point. Imagine that - a nice explosion that just rumbles out of the France/Swiss border.

And there's a nice spacetime thought for you - Universe creates earth creates LHC creates universe.
 
Yea I just did a search and it looks as though C.E.R.N. is pretty determined to make a black hole


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Wait a minute. There's conflicting reports on what the LHC is actually for...

One says it to study the big bang, and the other to form a black hole.

It's worrying either way, but it's even more worrying if what we're being told isn't true.
 
How about this answer. BOTH! It is to study high enegry partical physics. I will tell you this. I am dead certian it will create a black hole. certian.

Be good
Be ready
 
if theres a will, theres a way. when it comes down to the fate of the world, brainiacs should just shutup and dream, instead of making nukes and black holes...
 
Unfortuantly that, they don't.

What gets me is such a device on such a large magnitude has not been veto'd or voted upon. Apply the factor of Human Error, plus a device that generates so much energy it's unbelievable... and you're sitting on a timebomb. Run that, fault occurs, Zham, we'll have a lot of over-cooked French and Swiss cheese.
 
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