Kairos-Chronos: A Grand Experiment in Time Travel

vodkafan said:
These points are logical . The thing that makes me uneasy is the requirement for people to have "faith" that something will happen. We have seen from the John Titor hoax that this attracts the wrong sort of people and feeds into all kinds of oddball notions and conspiracy theories. You have set a date 11 years hence. Someone from the future will either turn up or they will not. If they do they better have some serious proof. I will wait and see. I will be very interested to see what motivation your project drums up.
I am not "anti" your project at all, far from it.

I don't quite understand what you mean by people "involved" in the project. It only needs a future time traveller ?Surely if a time traveller turns up he is there for everybody to see isn't he? Or is somebody out to create an event they can sell tickets for and make money?
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1. I am not familiar with John Titor. But I agree with your sentiment certain ideas have a tendency to attract troubled people and it is desirable to avoid this.

2. Faith is a word with many meanings depending upon its context and the perspective of the reader. Perhaps I should have used the word “confidence” instead to avoid any religious connotations

3. For this experiment to succeed a time and position need to be enshrined into future history. Every single person that contributes to this increases the probability of success. 10 messages are more effective than 1. A million messages are more effective than 10. One million messages “composed/created” in 1 million different ways are more effective still

Kairos-Chronos is an endeavour perfectly suited to our time. We live in a very interconnected world, a world in which like-minded people can collaborate, a multimedia world, a world in which an idea and information can spread like a virus.

In other words if successful Kairos-Chronos will be a catalyst for this event rather than control it. The ideal outcome would be a large network of people with many nodes/groups of people creating their own fully autonomous implementations. A centralised control scheme could not hope to create the level of diversity and output required to achieve success.
 
Well, your responses and answers are certainly consistent. I apologise for trying to poke holes and challenge your motives. But we get a lot of fake time travel claimants posting.
I will keep my eye out for Kairos-Chronos in the media until the appointed time.
 
vodkafan said:
All valid points. What you are saying basically is that the events set up were too small and may have simply slipped off the grid and not be known about in the future when time travel is invented. Or time travellers might have more important things to do than confirming their presence for our benefit.
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Agreed, it is possible that a time traveller may have better things to do. Or perhaps time travel is not possible, or perhaps humanity destroys itself, or perhaps our "temporal lighthouse" is poorly designed and doesn't transient sufficient generations

But maybe, just maybe, all these things do not occur...........................
 
vodkafan said:
Well, your responses and answers are certainly consistent. I apologise for trying to poke holes and challenge your motives. But we get a lot of fake time travel claimants posting.
I will keep my eye out for Kairos-Chronos in the media until the appointed time.
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Please dont apologise, the aim is to engage with a wide variety of people to understand how best to explain our aims and principles such that the message spreads easily

Your comments have been very useful indeed.
 
vodkafan said:
Well, because if a date is set in the past it circumvents a fraudulent claim...and it is the ultimate proof that time travel exists. I didn't really know how else to phrase it...everybody would know about Kairos-Chronos project from this point on is what I was trying to say..so if a TT turned up BEFORE the project was even thought of but quoting it ....you see what I mean?
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Yes I see what you mean. But it's the whole "I'm-a-time-traveller-from-the-future" concept that my mind cannot comprehend. My own logic tells me that it's impossible. Tomorrow's date will be 8/01/14 and it has not occurred yet. The date this time next year will be 7/01/15 and it has not occurred yet. The year 2036 has not occurred yet, so a future time-traveller responding to a message from Stephen Hawking about some convention just does not make sense to me. It infers that the future has/is occuring as I type this message.

What my mind can grasp more easily (but still quite incredulous), is the claim of a time-traveller who says they have arrived in 2014 from 1988 on a one way trip forward. At least my mind can comprehend that the year 1988 has occurred (through photos/videos/books etc). Additionally, it would be much easier to test the claims of the 1988 time-traveller through DNA, census records, dental records, birth-certificates etc. If the time-traveller departed at age 18 and arrives in 2014 aged 18, then his claim can be easily refuted or accepted. I hope this post clarifies what I was trying to convey in my previous posts, (i.e. the future does not exist yet, imo).
 
Mylo.X. said:
Yes I see what you mean. But it's the whole "I'm-a-time-traveller-from-the-future" concept that my mind cannot comprehend. My own logic tells me that it's impossible. Tomorrow's date will be 8/01/14 and it has not occurred yet. The date this time next year will be 7/01/15 and it has not occurred yet. The year 2036 has not occurred yet, so a future time-traveller responding to a message from Stephen Hawking about some convention just does not make sense to me. It infers that the future has/is occuring as I type this message.

(i.e. the future does not exist yet, imo).
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Hi Mylo, the first part -the travelling to the past bit your mind doesn't like- is the bit I find most exciting. You are right that if a time traveller turned up at a moment in the past then he would then become part of the past and would always have been there. It took me a while to realise that; but it's really exciting.

About the second part- the future does not exist yet- think about this- the past does not exist either, in effect in much the same way. (although subtly different?) It is closed off from us. We just think it exists because we remember it, and we have invented devices that remember it. But it has gone just the same. There is only the present. Only events . Who is to say that causality really exists, that one thing causes another ?

Further, are you familiar with the physics idea of blocktime ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternalism_(philosophy_of_time)

Basically, that yes the future is already out there. But this leads to theories of predestination v freewill.
 
vodkafan

It looks like the link you provided no longer exists at wiki.

There is a problem I see with traveling to the past in a time machine. What happens if you materialize inside a solid object when you arrive? That sounds like what happened with the Philadelphia experiment. Also the weird experiments of John Hutchison seem to produce similar effects.
 
Einstein that's easy. The same reason that you can't put your hand through a door or a pencil doesn't melt into a table when you put it there. The integrity of atoms; the four forces of physics. Atoms will repel: you wouldn't materialise inside a solid object but just next to it.
Besides that, in my story the time machine has to be very accurate in order to work. The point in spacetime is exact , worked out by quantum computers. So they pick an empty space with only air in it.

I don't know anything about John Hutchinson and I am sceptical of the PE .
 
Mylo.X. said:
What exactly is a Zero Time Generator and how does it relate to the notion of time-travel?
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The Zero Time Generator has always been mentioned in the literature as part of the Philadelphia experiment. I ran across the plans to make one on the internet and decided to make one.

Here is the website that I initially got the plans from.

Warren Ellis » Tesla’s Zero-Time Reference Generator

And here is some more in depth info on its construction by someone else calling it Tesla's flying machine.

Tesla’s Flying Machine, page 1 | Fuel-Efficient-Vehicles.org

The reason I built one was because it was stated in the PE literature that the device rotates. It was also mentioned that an external field is present. I looked at the schematic and based on what I know about machines, I determined it should not rotate, but oscillate in a rotating pattern. Well, I was wrong. There is something there in the third plane where no rotational force exists. Something that has a co-varying relationship with the oscillations that are present.

So here is a YouTube video I made of my Zero Time Generator.



Presently I have the device on a flat surface. I have a variable speed control I made for it. As I crank up the speed, initially it rotates counter-clockwise. Then stops and reverses direction. That made me stop and think. That's two opposing forces. But this is different. Because these forces are separated in time. And of course mother nature puts forces together in threes. So naturally I had to check for a third force. I have an accelerometer sensor that I was using for my gravity field experiments with my Tesla coil. So I hooked it up. This is the part that blows my mind. The sensor shows this device emits gravity waves while in operation. And of course right after that observation, the device throws a gear out. So the gravity wave emission is not definitely confirmed. I have new gears made for it, and I'm ready for testing. But I'm procrastinating.

You see I already have a Tesla coil that makes gravity waves. But this device is mechanical. Two different ways to make gravity waves? Or two types of gravity? Bob Lazar is the only one that has put forth that idea. But he states you need element 115 to make the other type of gravity.

So basically what I have read about this device seems to be true. I honestly didn't expect that outcome. I thought I was just making a cool device to put on display with the label reading Tesla's Zero Time Generator.

What it really is, is a mechanical oscillator that accesses nuclear force. That would be No No knowledge. And apparently the real reason behind why they tried to teach us centrifugal force is a fictional force. My physics and science education is starting to look like pure fiction.

I'm still procrastinating...
 
Einstein said:
The Zero Time Generator has always been mentioned in the literature as part of the Philadelphia experiment. I ran across the plans to make one on the internet and decided to make one.

Here is the website that I initially got the plans from.

Warren Ellis » Tesla’s Zero-Time Reference Generator

And here is some more in depth info on its construction by someone else calling it Tesla's flying machine.

Tesla’s Flying Machine, page 1 | Fuel-Efficient-Vehicles.org

The reason I built one was because it was stated in the PE literature that the device rotates. It was also mentioned that an external field is present. I looked at the schematic and based on what I know about machines, I determined it should not rotate, but oscillate in a rotating pattern. Well, I was wrong. There is something there in the third plane where no rotational force exists. Something that has a co-varying relationship with the oscillations that are present.

So here is a YouTube video I made of my Zero Time Generator.



Presently I have the device on a flat surface. I have a variable speed control I made for it. As I crank up the speed, initially it rotates counter-clockwise. Then stops and reverses direction. That made me stop and think. That's two opposing forces. But this is different. Because these forces are separated in time. And of course mother nature puts forces together in threes. So naturally I had to check for a third force. I have an accelerometer sensor that I was using for my gravity field experiments with my Tesla coil. So I hooked it up. This is the part that blows my mind. The sensor shows this device emits gravity waves while in operation. And of course right after that observation, the device throws a gear out. So the gravity wave emission is not definitely confirmed. I have new gears made for it, and I'm ready for testing. But I'm procrastinating.

You see I already have a Tesla coil that makes gravity waves. But this device is mechanical. Two different ways to make gravity waves? Or two types of gravity? Bob Lazar is the only one that has put forth that idea. But he states you need element 115 to make the other type of gravity.

So basically what I have read about this device seems to be true. I honestly didn't expect that outcome. I thought I was just making a cool device to put on display with the label reading Tesla's Zero Time Generator.

What it really is, is a mechanical oscillator that accesses nuclear force. That would be No No knowledge. And apparently the real reason behind why they tried to teach us centrifugal force is a fictional force. My physics and science education is starting to look like pure fiction.

I'm still procrastinating...
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I am sorry, test subject, but my analysis does not support your conclusion.

The unbalanced rotating weights are out of phase, causing a circular shift in CG (rotation). This can be caused by manufacturing defects or torsion-induced angular displacement along the rods.
 
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