Just a week or so until Titor is proved wrong!

Eleutherios

Temporal Novice
Well, it looks like we're only a week away until Titor is proved completely and entirely wrong. (He predicted a civil war in 2004, and we only have about eight days until 2004 is over.)

So if there's no civil war before New Years, John Titor is proven to be a hoax. Since a civil war doesn't look very likely in this final week, what do you think the believers will do?

I mean, if he's from the future, he would have to predict this event correctly, since it was one of the only dates he explicitly stated.

I think we'll see some apologists for Titor, but mostly it'll all die out really quickly.

What do you think?
 
No, he predicted the waco-like events at the start of the war would be in 2004. And with our corporate sellout media not reporting any wrongdoings of the current administration, especially the items surrounding the latest "election", he was likely correct.

Pay close attention to what happens if the monkey decides to attend Times Square on New Year's Eve with Colin Powell.
 
Here's something to consider: Do we really know how to spot the exact moment that the civil war begins? Yes, I know that titor wrote that there would be a Waco type event every month, but he didn't say that those would be the same size as the Waco raid was. Those things could be happening on a smaller scale and just not being played up the way Waco was.

But back to my point. Not every war has a clear beginning. Sometimes it is a matter of perspective. When did WWII start? Most people in the US who know US history will say 12/7/41, the day Pearl Harbor was attacked. It started much earlier for England and France. Would a civil war in America start at the same time for New York as it would in Montana or Arizona?

Sometimes the "official" beginning of a war changes decades after the war ends. Most people commonly accept that the end of the Cold War was the day of the big party in Berlin when people were standing on and chipping away at the Berlin Wall. But when did it begin? Was it the day after Japan surrendered in 1945? Was it the day that the Soviet Union detonated it's first atomic bomb? Was it the day after the Korean War ended?

Perhaps the triggering event for the civil war has already happened but it won't be acknowledged that that was the start of the war until much later. History depends upon whoever is writing it.
 
good point, and like titor also said, the timelines are not the same for everyone. Who knows what may have changed, if the civil war takes a bit longer to start? But we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

I'm not too worried about it all, i'm in canada anything happens i'm grabbing my stuff, going north and stockpiling arms and supplies.
 
I think your right I mean he didn't mention the recent tsunami which is one of the largest natural disasters there has ever been, with over 100,000 dead.
 
Well, here we are in 2005! We successfully passed into 2005 without a civil war breaking out -- and it looks as if our country is far from the brink of absolute unrest.

We've also survived the November election without the scale of political unrest that Titor "predicted".

So I guess this proves Titor completely wrong. If Titor was from the future, he would have gotten this right.

To anyone who uses the world-line excuse... why bother? If you're just going to explain everything away by saying he hopped a world-line or whatever, you might just cut to the chase and make up an entire fake universe for him.

It seems as if Titor is wrong. Glad that's over.
 
Yea, that was a close one. No mad cow, CERN not planning to research blackholes, no z-compression discoveries, no advances in cesium clocks, iraq had wmd's and handed them over so there was no war, we found the original pics John posted in a university textbook, all those people reproduced the car image and posted a video of them doing it, wireless internet flopped, the flawless elections you had, nobody got arrested the national d/r conventions and was denied due process, nobody dead from shiney new non-lethal weapons, a designer of the 5100's didn't come forward and say it could read many formats, oh and the voting map doesn't look anything at all like it did before the other civil war... yea. Pfhew.
 
newbie,

Yea, that was a close one. No mad cow, CERN not planning to research blackholes, no z-compression discoveries, no advances in cesium clocks, iraq had wmd's and handed them over so there was no war, we found the original pics John posted in a university textbook, all those people reproduced the car image and posted a video of them doing it, wireless internet flopped, the flawless elections you had, nobody got arrested the national d/r conventions and was denied due process, nobody dead from shiney new non-lethal weapons, a designer of the 5100's didn't come forward and say it could read many formats, oh and the voting map doesn't look anything at all like it did before the other civil war... yea. Pfhew.

You're guilding the lilly to make your point. By that I mean that you're not stating the situation as it was stated by Titor.

No mad cow

That's not what Titor said at all. He said that Mad Cow would be a major epidemic. It's not.

CERN not planning to research blackholes

Titor said that CERN would make a major discovery of a "mystery" particle central to his gadget using the LHC within a "year or so" of his posts. That obviously didn't happen because, as we knew then, the LHC won't come online until 2006-2007. Five or six years isn't "a year or so." And that's the time when they come online with the new collider. Even if they conduct an experiment on the first day they won't know the results of the experiment for one to two years. It would then be one to two more years before they would publish the results. That's 10 years after he stopped posting...minimum. But, gosh, if his story was true we'd be in the middle of a civil war and Europe would be totally destabilized. And a year or so later Russia nukes us both into the Stone Age. Poor timing, eh?

no advances in cesium clocks

He didn't say that there would be advances in cesium clocks. In fact, cesium clocks were not the state of the art for portable atomic clocks when he posted. Rubidium clocks are the state of the art in portables.

iraq had wmd's and handed them over so there was no war

The jury is still out on that one, but Titor said that Iraq had WMD's. I told him that a war in the Middle East was a no brainer to which he answered, "and a no armer and a no legger." No one should have been surprised by war in the Middle East.

we found the original pics John posted in a university textbook

No, we didn't. But we did find a graphic art production studio, sound studio and movie production studio all using the same address and entertainment industry attorney as the John Titor Foundation. And further discovered that the staff in one or more of those businesses produced "The Book" and "The Radio Program."

the flawless elections you had

Thanks. But Titor made no predictions about the 2004 election process.

nobody got arrested the national d/r conventions and was denied due process

Correct. No one was denied due process. But he made no predictions about either convention. (Or maybe you need to define what you mean by "denied due process." It's a technical legal term that has a specific meaning.)

wireless internet flopped

No, it didn't. And, no, it wasn't a secret nor was it unavailable at the time that he posted. It was just too expensive for the average Internet user to purchase. And there hasn't been a huge demand for this item. Yes, cellular customers who can afford it partake. But cable Internet is the huge market...and he missed the call on that entirely.

nobody dead from shiney new non-lethal weapons

Not true. But it wasn't something that hadn't occured before. Even the Brits had this problem going all the way back to the 60's in Belfast with republican demonstrators and rubber bullets.

a designer of the 5100's didn't come forward and say it could read many formats,

You either didn't read the entire article or you're purposely leaving out the pertinent facts. The Expert also said in the article that the story was an obvious hoax and that he'd got a laugh out of it. He even thought back to his team members to figure out who was behind it. He concluded that it wasn't any of them because none of them had the time to waste on the hoax.

oh and the voting map doesn't look anything at all like it did before the other civil war

You missed his point entirely. That wasn't a prediction. He was asked where it would be safe to go during the nuclear war, not the civil war. Titor refered the poster to the county-by-county voting map. He obviouly meant that the red areas were the safest. Two reasons for that:

1. The blue areas are also the areas that he said that his Russian allies targeted with their nukes - the large U.S. cities;

2. His "side" were country people - ranchers and farmers (red). His enemy were the city people (blue).

Titor was not a liberal democrat. They were his enemy.

In any case, none of the "predictions" that you've sited have come to pass.
 
That's not what Titor said at all. He said that Mad Cow would be a major epidemic. It's not.

So when CNN says it's an epidemic - thats when it becomes an epidemic? What if it's been misdiagnosed as alzheimers or filed under "brain cancer" because doctors just havn't figure it all out yet? Maybe he meant it's an epidemic in terms of goverment corruption because there is NONE AT ALL and it's just hype into getting us to accept mandatory psychiatric assesments? Point is, it was hardly ever in the news in 2000 but now it in the news quite a bit. The author picked a winner.

Titor said that CERN would make a major discovery of a "mystery" particle central to his gadget using the LHC within a "year or so" of his posts. That obviously didn't happen because, as we knew then, the LHC won't come online until 2006-2007.

Where did he talk about mystery particles?

"JT:I'm pretty sure they have a number of experiments going on at the same time at CERN. The one I'm referring to involves very high energies using protons. "

....and about a year or so after his posts it did begin to be mainstream news that CERN spoke about the LHC being powerfull enough to look for black holes and higgs boson. But I don't recall him mentioning LHC specifically. And back when CERN announced that, before I had heard of John Titor, the news was pretty major.

He didn't say that there would be advances in cesium clocks. In fact, cesium clocks were not the state of the art for portable atomic clocks when he posted. Rubidium clocks are the state of the art in portables.

Rubidium clocks are not as accurate as cesium. And cesium clocks are too big today to fit in his tiny machine. He did say cesium so you would have to assume someone is researching how to make cesium clocks smaller. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/10/14/atomic.clock/index.html Now he's got make it more accurate.

The jury is still out on that one, but Titor said that Iraq had WMD's. I told him that a war in the Middle East was a no brainer to which he answered, "and a no armer and a no legger." No one should have been surprised by war in the Middle East.

No, Titor implied they did NOT have WMD's.

"JOHN: FEB 25, 2001 - Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"

He was implying that Iraq did NOT have nukes AND the admistration was lying about it.

I was surprised by the war. For some reason I expect everyone to get along. I expect other nations to have war, but the US should set an example and not go to war. It's so big it doesn't have to go to war.

No, we didn't. But we did find a graphic art production studio, sound studio and movie production studio all using the same address and entertainment industry attorney as the John Titor Foundation.

All in the same building? That's not so odd for a lawyer to have an office in a building that has a lot of different companies inside.

And further discovered that the staff in one or more of those businesses produced "The Book" and "The Radio Program."

So your claim is that it's impossible for someone who is in the book business to share an office with a lawyer. Impossible for a publisher to read the story and decide himself and his lawyer buddy will cash in on a creation that doesn't belong to them? Nah, lawyers and publishers would never try to profit from someone elses hard work.

Thanks. But Titor made no predictions about the 2004 election process.

"I would use the word 'elections' a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?"

...Plural.. Interesting. 2000 stands out in my mind as the real stolen election he would have been talking about. But I listened to a debate in your senate today about the Ohio votes. They sound more upset this time around.

Correct. No one was denied due process. But he made no predictions about either convention. (Or maybe you need to define what you mean by "denied due process." It's a technical legal term that has a specific meaning.)

Why do you say nobody was denied due process but the people who actually went out and protested things like Bush, Free trade or the war say otherwise. Peacefull free people are being arrested en mass for protesting. And there are lots of pictures. Just not on CNN. That is not right Darby.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/09/1694424.php


No, it didn't. And, no, it wasn't a secret nor was it unavailable at the time that he posted. It was just too expensive for the average Internet user to purchase.

I know it didn't everything I posted I was being sarcastic. There are hotspots everywhere, a lot of them free. The widespread acceptance of wifi by large corps like starbucks has already lead to more wireless research.

But cable Internet is the huge market...and he missed the call on that entirely.

Cable and dsl were huge before he posted. If the north america has to use wireless internet in the future, it implies the cable infrastructure got destroyed with the nukes.

Not true. But it wasn't something that hadn't occured before. Even the Brits had this problem going all the way back to the 60's in Belfast with republican demonstrators and rubber bullets.

Any non-leathal weapon deaths on US soil pre-2000?

You either didn't read the entire article or you're purposely leaving out the pertinent facts. The Expert also said in the article that the story was an obvious hoax and that he'd got a laugh out of it. He even thought back to his team members to figure out who was behind it. He concluded that it wasn't any of them because none of them had the time to waste on the hoax.

He still said it could read many formats.. And detail in the JT story makes him think only someone working on the actual unit could have written the hoax? Dun duh dunnn.

You missed his point entirely. That wasn't a prediction.

I wasn't refering to his comments about the country-by-country voting map. His prediction was of civil war. The voting map is pretty much identical to the way it was before the 1st civil war.

1. The blue areas are also the areas that he said that his Russian allies targeted with their nukes - the large U.S. cities;

2. His "side" were country people - ranchers and farmers (red). His enemy were the city people (blue).

Titor was not a liberal democrat. They were his enemy.

I agree it's easy to look at the story and say he's not a liberal democrat. But it's easy to look at it and say that he WAS a liberal democrat. His "side" were the people who fled the city. They had the choice to stay and have their rights taken away, or to flee to the country. If Bush wanted to kick some hippy liberal ass, they would end up having to flee to the country. Neat how it works both ways.

In any case, none of the "predictions" that you've sited have come to pass.

Well except for mad cow, CERN annoucing blackhole research, the Z machine, tiny cesium clocks, iraq not having wmd's, bush admiting it was all BS to get us into accepting the next war, election troubles, civil unrest, people being denied due process, non-lethal weapons deaths.

There's no doubt this is a story to sell newsletter subscriptions. But Darby, I'd really like to see you write a story about the future and get everything so friggen perfect. That would be the ultimate proof of a hoax. Write a better story than JT and admit it's a hoax before you start. Good luck.
 
I love how no one even brings up the US's "pain ray" pretty much it's mounted on the back of a hummer they shoot it at people, burning pain all over thier bodies, and they "drop their weapons" i'd like to know what would hapen if you turned this bad boy up full. if thats not a leathal non-letahl weapon than i don't know what is
 
Ya know, I really (REALLY) get ticked-off when foreigners try to tell us how things really are in America because of something they read on the internet or see on their foreign news...

but the US should set an example and not go to war. It's so big it doesn't have to go to war.
Shows you don't understand the US, or have not really comprehended US history. We are a country of people who are proactive, especially if it comes to someone (anyone) thinking they are going to threaten us. We don't wait until things are too late (like a certain French-speaking country that is 0/2 in stamping out aggression in its own backyard). America is like no other country on this planet....thank God.

But I listened to a debate in your senate today about the Ohio votes. They sound more upset this time around.
That's just pure baloney. Don't you remember all the contests and court wranglings last time? NONE of that this time. What you saw today was staged by TWO Democrats (one Rep and one Sen), and even the leaders of the DEM party were distancing themselves from this, and Kerry (who was in Europe) said he did not support it. Believe me, the DEMS have so forgotten how to win elections, that they are being awfully cautious in how they reinvent themselves. And I know because I live in a big democratic state.

Why do you say nobody was denied due process but the people who actually went out and protested things like Bush, Free trade or the war say otherwise. Peacefull free people are being arrested en mass for protesting. And there are lots of pictures. Just not on CNN. That is not right Darby.
No, it is you who are the one who is not right. Are you aware that you just can't show-up somewhere en-masse and have a protest? Are you aware that you have to register your intent to protest? Here, your own story alludes to how our American laws work for protests and what the police can and cannot do:

At 4:30 pm organizers and police huddled surrounded by most of the media present. The agreement, “Stay on sidewalk, abide by traffic lights, and keep it moving” was announced. Basically, the minimal allowed by law for “unpermitted” assemblies.

And I shouldn't have to point out the obvious that the news source you cite is far from unbiased, now isn't it? Dontcha think a website with huge "NO WAR" pictures on the top of its pages would have a little more interest in twisting how they tell the story....like telling it with a distinctive LIBERAL slant?

I always hear non-Americans complain how us Americans are brash and arrogant. Well, don't you think it is a bit arrogant of you to tell us "what is really going on" in our country? I've lived in Germany for long stretches, but I am not about to try to be an expert and tell Germans how crooked their government is, or something silly like that. Why do non-Americans think they are so smart about what America is really all about?

RMT
 
Rainman,

I agree. Titor quipped that people would be trading security for liberty. I've looked around and I don't recall that America signed on as a member of trhe European Union. I wonder if any of the Euro-volken have actually read their new Constitution...the E/U Constitution...to see just how much liberty they had to trade for security.

We fought two world wars with Germany...and in the end they all bent over and took a German boot up their keesters without a shot being fired. They signed it over to Germany and call leibstraum "The European Union"...they just think that it's a union. And they're going to defend their E/U in the next post.

At least the chose Beethoven's 9th Symphony (Ode to Joy) as their German anthem instead of the Horst Wessel Lied. That would have been too obvious.


...Roel, I'm still there for you. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Your family has "been there and done that" re. German occupation.
 
Ya know, I really (REALLY) get ticked-off when foreigners try to tell us how things really are in America because of something they read on the internet or see on their foreign news...

Well don't take it personally, I'm saying it because it's "america" and it's a punishment or anything. The biggest most powerfull nation, no matter who it is at the time, should set an example for the rest of the world. If everyone had the same firepower and had the same level of aggression and same type of foreign policy it would be catasrophic.

That's just pure baloney. Don't you remember all the contests and court wranglings last time? NONE of that this time.

It was a radio broadcast from a live protest outside the debate. It was loud and angry. The republicans called the democrats conspiracy theorists more than once. They listed major irregularities in Ohio and there will be no investigation because if you have the majority, you can vote down opening a discussion.

No, it is you who are the one who is not right. Are you aware that you just can't show-up somewhere en-masse and have a protest?

*shrug* In highschool they told me you had the right to assembly to petition. As long as you were peacefull you could do it. I thought corraling a peacefull march into an eclosed area and starting to arrest them was pretty out of this world. Guess it's business as usual. I'll stop worrying.


And I shouldn't have to point out the obvious that the news source you cite is far from unbiased, now isn't it? Dontcha think a website with huge "NO WAR" pictures on the top of its pages would have a little more interest in twisting how they tell the story....like telling it with a distinctive LIBERAL slant?

Why do you think a liberal slant means it's fictional? I've always understood that to mean they will post the guys FIRST HAND ACCOUNT whereas other slants will not (because of the advertising moneah!)

I always hear non-Americans complain how us Americans are brash and arrogant.

I would never say that!

Well, don't you think it is a bit arrogant of you to tell us "what is really going on" in our country?

I'm not telling you anyting. I'm just saying Darby can't convince me there is no tension, denial of due process or civil unrest, because I can listen to it myself. Live!!
 
Too bad you didn't predict that 2004 would mark the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party. Maybe then, your credibility wouldn't be in question. This "Titor" fantasy is the product of a naive, inexperienced political ideologue. I wish I had all the spare time that you left wing kids seem to have, to wreak havoc in the streets with your protests, and weaving ridiculous tales of time travel and Civil Wars. No wonder your Party is going down for the third time. Maybe a REAL time traveler will come back and show the DNC their future. That may be the only way to save our 2 party system. (Scare em straight)
 
All of the US's elections are rigged, the presidents are picked by the people who are really running the country, which ever candidate is more willing to follow orders wins.
 
Too bad you didn't predict that 2004 would mark the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party

The elite decided skull & bones will be prez. And you got to vote for skulls or nothing. Why does that sound familiar... In what other country does the elite pick the candidate and the populace can vote for him or stay home.. Aww. It's on the tip of my tounge...
 
The elite decided skull & bones will be prez. And you got to vote for skulls or nothing. Why does that sound familiar... In what other country does the elite pick the candidate and the populace can vote for him or stay home.. Aww. It's on the tip of my tounge...

Nobody wants a one party system, but both parties have to be sane and credible in order for our system to work. I'm, afraid the Democrat Party revealed a lack of self control and wisdom.
BTW......John Kerry was a Skull & Bones....
 
I'm, afraid the Democrat Party revealed a lack of self control and wisdom.
Agreed. And if they elect Howard Dean (radical leftist) to become the new DNC Chairman, they will only be telling America that they did not learn their lesson of this, or the last, election!

RMT
 
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