John Titor officially a Liar?

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mikey31

Temporal Novice
John said a Cival War will begin in 2004. 3 Months to go until 2004 comes to and end and 2005 begins.
Even though the way the world is at the moment it is still possible and with the election happening very soon.

What are you thoughts. In 3 months we will find out if John is real or a liar.
 
Technically' Titor was right.

He said that the police would fire the first shot.

This did happen during the Miami protest, with a protestor being cut on the ear, with the ragged edge of a gel enclosed pepperbal.

This pepperball, is much the same as a paintball used for mock combat pourposes, however the velocities that these are shot at, are considerable.

2.As of late a woman passenger who was attempting to board an airline flight, was horrified, to hear that the frisk-down security specialist, want to feel her breast.

The lady said no and was ejected from the airport, at which she had rented a car and drove the five hundred miles of her journey.

If these occurrence would have occurred within either a doctor's office, or a major hospital, the patients would have sued to beat the band.

The question must be asked, irrespective of said John Titor; what is going on here?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20041010-9999-1m10transcol.html

Story copy>October 10, 2004

A new layer of security at the nation's airports last month caught a Mira Mesa woman by surprise. Now Ava Kingsford wants other women to know just how uncomfortable the "secondary screening" process can become.


Kingsford, 36, was traveling back to San Diego from Denver International Airport with her 3-month-old son when she was flagged for a pat-down search, possibly because of an expired driver's license.

She took the procedure in stride until the female Transportation Security Administration screener announced, "I'm going to feel your breasts now."

Kingsford, wearing a snug-fitting tank top, objected to what she considered an unduly invasive search. More security agents arrived, warned her that she couldn't board her flight without submitting to the final step of the search, and the situation escalated.

"I was crying; I was shaking," she said. And just after she tugged down the top of her shirt just a bit to show that she wasn't hiding anything, the agents told her she wasn't going anywhere. She ended up renting a car for a two-day drive home.

"It was unbelievable," Kingsford said. "I think there is a line they cannot cross."

But Transportation Security Administration officials say their screeners did nothing wrong and that Kingsford's experience reflects a brutal new reality in passenger checkpoint screening.

The agency announced the extra security measures Sept. 16, just a few weeks after two Russian jetliners exploded in midair, killing all aboard. Authorities believe two women smuggled explosives onto the aircraft, possibly in "torso packs" underneath their clothing.

Bob Kapp, customer service manager for the TSA in Denver, said that to conduct a thorough pat-down search of women, "it does require going beneath, between and above the breasts."

In these first few weeks of the procedure, Kapp said, "a few people have been a little bit alarmed" by the touching. But he called it "a sign of the times" that is probably here to stay. Screeners are coached to try to minimize the discomfort by explaining each step as they go along.

Kingsford, however, thinks there ought to be some common sense to the approach and that the TSA is going to get a lot more complaints.

"There is nothing that I could possibly have been hiding there," she said.
 
When a US Civil war doesn't happen hopefully it will convince some Titorites to lose their belieif in Titor, but of couse the die hard Titorites will always believe, as they will think the Civil War didn't occur because we must be on a different timeline. In that case I could predict that Mt St Helens will erupt with lots of ash and lava tomorrow on October 18th 2004. If it doesn't happen, remember, it did happen on a different timeline.

--- Razimus
 
after readin all of TT's post, I dont see how he is wrong YET.

He said the "War" would begin in 2004-2005

HE said it woudl start Slowly and bee all out in 2008.

If you dont remember, ther ewas an incident a short while back where a perp fired at a police officer and then fled. He went thru an area full of houses. The police could not find him and concluded that he must Live in one of the houses in that area. They went door to door forcing their way into houses WITHOUT search warrents, confiscateing EVERY gun they could find. This is COMPLETELY unconstitutional!

This is EXACTLY the kind of stuff JT ws talking about... Perhaps you jsut dont watch the news enough?

You should cherish your right to own a firearm and take heed to what Titor said, time traveler or not.

All you anit-gun people out there need a slap in the face and a real education of history and the direct relation between disarmment and genocide.
 
I'm English and live in Los Angeles and if you people think that it's gonna be a war with big guns and bravado your wrong. The war has started. The election is already a mess, this is a war of ideolougues. Once the election takes place if it's tight Kerry is going to claim a win before the counting is final he has 10 attorneys already in place to contest any decision and supporters of President Bush will be demonized as they are already with vicious attacks like the ones happening in campaign headquarters in different states. The loony left are pushing the intolerant right to move to a standpoint where liberty and freedom has to be questioned and action has to take place to secure major cities from upheavel. I believe whoever wins the election will move down a route of ID Cards, removal of arms and restriction of movement in and out of major cities. I believe a Kerry administration would be worse for America than a second term for Bush but ultimately they will let down America. I got here November 2nd 2000 just as all the silliness with Gore and Bush was coming to a head. If you look at the news and especially CNN they are already piping on everyday about faults in the voting system creating doubt and it's such a divide down the middle their is no escape from either Ideology. Your one of the other, who ever wins will persucute the beliefs of the others and call it UnAmerican. So it matters not as either Kerry or Bush will have to rule with an iron fist and with the great unwashed in the middle east desparate to inflict damage on the US how can you believe that the constituion will hold out in the face of mounting evidence that you cannot have a free society 'till war is exhausted and everyone is sick of it. The weakness being shown to the World by America's lack of unity right now will spur the Chinese and their ultimate need to expand as they are that huge. Today Iran made a missile test that confirms their intent and with Syria making waves the writing is on the wall peeps. Europe is a complete toilet and they have no idea and already the media have turned the idiots there against the United States and it's not very 'cool' to support US foreign policy. I am now preparing for the inevitiable I have no opinion on whether Titor is for real but what his warning signs cannot be ignored. It's destiny for us to lock horns globally again and I for one am now making my preparations. I keep seeing Bush signs here mangled and vandalised and it makes me mad and who ever wins the election the other guys are gonna go nuts. Kerry wins the folks that cherish their right go nuts and rightfully so as Kerry is a lawyer a liar and a big government man and his admin will tell everyone how it should be done and if Bush wins well we already see the idiots protesting and vandalising property, even shooting at Republican HQ's and the Bush admin will have no option than to clamp down on these morons and they will keep fighting and attacking 'till we realise that we're now fighting amongst ourselves to enforce 2 different ideologies that ultimatly will push the country to the same conclusion.... division anger neighbor vs neighbor from debate to heated debate to 'we won you lost and it's gonna be this way' 'no it's not' people fight shoot and die and the cities become a problem that have to be policed and micromanaged. Can this war of the ideologies be beaten, I think not and it's already on it's way and was so when the democrats went on the hardcore intiative and dirty campaign drawing the same from the republicans and fuelling all our emotions.....

Even if he was not a time traveller he is correct in the fact that this is going to be one hell of 10 year spell for all of the world.

Mikey
 
Mikey,

Intersting post.
You seem to lean to the right a little in your idealogy but that is ok. I agree essentually in your premise about "no matter who wins this election...FOUL will be called" and the loosing side will think cheating is involved. We are in a NO-Win scenario right now.

As to civil war??? anything is possible but I doubt it will happen any time soon. Riots? Yes

P.S. ya might try breaking a long post like yours into paragraphs in the future....easier to read. Thanks
 
I think we're in big trouble but your right I do lean with the Republicans I think they were the best bet for smaller less obtrusive government. Point taken about the paragraphs, sorry about that.

I feel the groundwork is being laid out by the idiots who are forcing us down this road with political correctness and forcing their warped views on people who have no desire to take them on board like they do in Europe which is why I left on funnily enough November 2nd 2000 (uncanny that).

http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html

http://www.wbir.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=20241%20%20

When was the last time you or I heard of a campaign office being shot up in the western world... I don't see Republicans shooting Democrats in their office or storming their buildings and here in California I never see Kerry posters cut up vandalized but Bush/Cheney gets the thug treatment and the media here the way they portray Bush as the devil incarnate fuelling the already blinkered loony left. Most people in the big cities are Democrats thats no secret and the farmers and places in the country are Republicans on the whole.

You ask most people who 'hate' Bush and they probably couldn't tell you much about the constitution but when Bush squeezes in which I'm sure he will you watch the students and the leftists and how they react. They will claim fraud and cheating like when Bush beat Gore and they will never accept him as their President and many do not now. They will burn and destroy and loot and protest which will lead to riots on a regular basis targeting business' and this will become the 'norm'. Police action and the need to put a stop to this organised protests/riots that the loony leftists will try and organise all thru' his second term will see a need for houses being raided and intelligence developed on Americans, it's like a giant snowball and everyone blames it on Bush but the truth is that it's those morons that believed the leftist media and bought the horseshit making him a demon in their very blinkered eyes will create a police state that no one can come back from.

Some folks will feel safer with the military presence and procedures to 'gaurentee' their saftey and the others will be forced to leave and they won't be divided by political lines but by those that agree and disagree with the things put in place by the Patriot Act. Bush will try his hardest to unite the country to explain why this has to be but he will lose his grip and the Hillary Clintons will start shrilling and screaming and then we will see the Rudy Guiliani's step into the fray for the political race. Rudy would have made a great President but by this time I feel that the democrats and their negative disgusting campagins and their stranglehold on the working classes and ability to debunk efforts to show that things will change are to late after 8 years of Bush being demonized and the Republican party will suffer as well as the American political system.

Hillary will win and she will raise the ire of the regular folk outside of the cities of which she lost touch with after moving from Arkansas and the run for her presidency I'm sure will be bloody and brutal, the shrilling and screaming the spin and the lies from both sides will be massive losing the confidence of the American people and those of around the world. The negativity will be rife and when she becomes the first female President I am absolutely sure she will force taxes and ideology on people who will not accept it, they in turn will say 'NO' not in our America and the constitution will become their only tool against the now already established military and police shakedowns that people like Clinton promised to get rid of and actually used as a tool. All you have to do is look at the signs from Arkansas and in the William Jefferson Clinton administration with the hounding of certain talk radio hosts on anything from their taxes to sex life looking for information and finding dissdents who swear they know nothing. They will leave the cities where she will socialise and make her voters rely on her programs.

In her run for a second term her awful international relations will thrive on money and backhanded dealings slashing budgets and protection of the American people and Billions cut from intelligence like 9/11 will kick America right in the nuts and her bad decisions will render it impossible for the US to monitor other nations much like under her husbands watch. We will be succeptible and I don't think the world will view the United States as the world leaders I feel that will go towards to Chinese. Russia will be easily coerced and with the dawn of mis information now here it will be a matter of time before America recieves another brutal attack on it's shores and this time I don't think it will ever recover to be the same country it was and if reading John Titor's words it wasn't the same country it was reconstructed and tweaked to fit in with the modern world as no one person can be trusted with the executive power of the United States and it's people. Sounds like we needed 5 presidential executive panel now to keep these crazy insane power drunk ideolouge politicians from [censored] our world up but looks like it's to late.

Hope I'm wrong though and talking out my arse.
 
I don't think people are passionate enough about politics to riot. Maybe if the police took over but I don't see that happening. It's possible that John Titor was real and this world line has no ww3. He can travel through time but he can't see future.
 
I think a bit like you, Mikey. At least that I am more right-leaning. People who are intelligent, resilient, and know how to take care of themselves such that they don't "need" government usually do think that way. I've built my own life, have achieved my own goals, and I can take care of myself. I don't need anything from government, and I'd appreciate them not loading me up with draconian laws/taxes that FORCE me to fund their excesses and other people's laziness.

But I do think there might be one difference in our ideologies: I do not believe we are "doomed" to any specific fate. None of us are "victims" of an eventual timeline, but rather we are all, collectively, creators of a shared timeline. In all my research of Mass, Space, and Time, I have discovered that we honestly and truly are completely in control of our own, local, relative timeline. This is because we choose what we wish to believe, choose where we wish to be, and we choose how we wish to act.

I realize the potential for things to develop as you have described. But at the same time I see in my mind that myself (and many others like us) are determined for that version of the future to NOT come to pass. The simple mathematics of this situation is thus: The more people who worry and are convinced we are "doomed" to only one outcome, the more these folks create energy that ensures it comes to pass. OTOH, the more people who know we control our timeline, and decide that this is something that we will NOT permit to come to pass, the greater the probability that it will actually happen this way.

It all comes down to taking personal responsibility for ourselves, and our neighbors who legitimately cannot take care of themselves. But NOT paying more and more taxes to fund a socialist state that PAYS people for not working or popping out more and more babies that they cannot raise and educate.

As to Bush and international diplomacy: This world has been through TWO world wars, and in the beginning of both of those wars the "proletariat" of European politics wanted to do nothing more than pacify the people waging the war. They didn't "get it" until it was too late. In both cases, the US had to get involved to be the decisive force (but not the only force!). We are now at round three, and Europe still does not "get it". But this time it is worse, because while Hilter was openly waging war and killing people, Al Qaeda is doing it in a typical terrorist-style. It is a lot harder to win this war because it is against an elusive and secretive (read: cowardly) enemy. One thing that some people do not think about with Bush's strategy in Iraq is this: The terrorists find it easier to confront us in (currently) lawless Iraq, than to confront us on our own land. If this is even one consideration that protects MY American homeland from attack, then Bush is doing his job in protecting our country! Better to have our soliders fighting the enemy on some OTHER ground than US soil...it may sound selfish, but it only makes sense when the job of our military is to protect our citizens. Confront the enemy on THEIR territory, not ours. A basic element of military strategy.

Anyone can claim we are "wrong" for doing what we did in either Iraq or Afghanistan. But what I see is the US is always expected to "clean up" the killers of the world, while the rest of the world does not have to act, and rather just sits back and criticizes us, doing the hard work (and losing US lives).

I point to Sudan. There is clear genocide going on there...and where is the rest of the world community? Will the UN come to an agreement to take action? Because that is what it is going to require: action, not UN-talk. And oh yes, don't come knocking on our door here in the US, because WE ARE ALREADY BUSY in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe Europe could step up to the leadership table and decide to send troops into Sudan to stop the killing? (or at least threaten such actions if the killing is not stopped and UN monitors permitted to move in)

I don't fear any sort of civil war in America as much as I fear a protracted war with terrorists in all democratic countries. And that means terrorists killing innocent citizens before we can kill the terrorists.

And so I have babbled on and on again....(sigh). What can I say? I babble on those topics that I hold firm opinions on! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
I think peoples understanding of the terminology War is all screwed up.

There is a war in the media and what Titor says would make absolute sense in the fact that our news and outlets is censored pending on who's pulling the strings. I find it strange that a man like Bill O'Reilly a straight shooter and an independent is suddenly pulled of Fox with some mystery 'sexual harrassment' lawsuit after hammering John Kerry and with him whiskers from a debate like O'Reilly did with President Bush suddenly this comes to the fore... very convenient yet Dan Rather go's out and officially slanders the President with fake documents and has a solid case to prosecute Rather and his paymasters and President won't due to the fact that he will be deominized by the left wing controlled media outlets, something is very very fishy. 2 Lawyers about to control the law and the power if they can get their hands on it. Sod world security and sod the future it's all about the now.

There is right now a civil war of ideologies happening here in America, wake up. I can't vote and I take a keen eye and like O'Reilly I consider myself a down the middle kind of guy. Facts no longer rule the race to be 'leader' of the American peoples, it's all about negativity and zoning in on the other guys weakness showing the world that 1) America is weak internally and philsophically 2)They have nothing but bad guys running the country 3) One country will see themselves as more powerful and stronger and bigger and we know who it is.... There will be justification for annexing other countries because America can do it and have and then America will be viewed as a 'terrorist' and the 'enemy' will have to be eradicated as to not endanger the lives of innocent citizens say in Russia. What if it turns out that America has assisted in a situation to bring another big player into the 'War on Terror' hypothetically speaking of course. This whole War thing could be constriued in all kinds of ways.

The War on Terror has now escalated to anyone who is not on the team of the establishment in whatever country you are in. A protest much like the anti capitalist ones that have been going on for 10 years in all major cities around the world smashing up McDonalds and financial institutions, these people will be terrorists under law. People seem to understanding why Titor was here at the end of 2000 and 2001, but Titor came at the end of the last drop of innocence and a perfect moment to be a part of it all. Imagine 9/11 had of happened and Titor turns up we'd all be like yeah whatever why didn't you come before 9/11.... He did. Why didn't he tell people, well jeez if you tell people directly that WTC was gonna be happening then you screw up the chances of the event taking place but yet prior knowledge woulf have been there and the world will continue to spiral towards this direction as America would have pursued the facists that did this anyway and looked even more like the bad guy possibly speeding up the outbreak of Nuclear War.

China is stocking away more crude oil than it is consuming and it is a hair breath away from sending something into space and they are going to replace America as Japan and probably Europes biggest trading partner. They have 2 billion soldiers that are not likely to be pro creating and they desparately will need to get that situation resolved so they are highly unlikely to remain a communist nation they will move more liberal and become 'socialist' and China is already the best place in the world to do business and if you visit Shanghai then 'nuff said.

I think I'll take JT's comments as a signal and for me the black hole thing just about sums it up and they can poke and prod about the photo and the light and the fiber optic this and chevy that but the big subjects far outway the 'Thats not in a corvette'. When your correcting Stephen Hawkings and everyone laughs you down long after the comments and it comes to light Mr Hawkings fits into the statement that Johnny boy was harking on about... Well 'How do you like me now' I can hear JT chuckling at this post. That may have been the reason he stopped off at this moment to give Mr Hawkings a little 'allez oop' and therefore in the great scheme of things enabling John to visit this moment and keep the fabric of the universe intact.

Fascinating stuff indeed.

Anyway back to the War thing.... John mentioned the time his father realised that somethings up is when his neighbor was being searched and that was it, time to head for the mountains with the fore fathers echo to keep the American people free from tyranny. Once again the American people didn't heed the call but the constitution was there to ease the reality of a present that had just changed just like 9/11. We are at war with ourselves. All mankind it starts with the War of mis information played out in mediums all around the word progresses to the War on Terror. Terror is a strong word... Terror is basically anyone that go's against the authority of the government, the powerbrokers does that mean that does not include those right wong groups in Iowa and the Dakots and the mid west who train with arms and feel the government is becoming the enemy of the United States peoples (who for the record everyone was laughing at 10 years ago). If say some students have a misguided march and it gets a little out of hand and a few bussiness' are damaged then the FBI and any other agancy have the full right under The Patriot Act to search and confiscate any items deemed to be against the interests of the America. Who is America the people or the government. This is a war. We are now splitting into 2 different tangents and they will both fail unless some divine intervention can stitch up a 200 year old mess.

I already have a team consisting of a former Navy Flyer and intelligence officer and a great family friend, a CFO of a big company and yest that offers nothing but he can prutify water prety damn well and on large scales, and his brother who is the man with radio and technology and an allround wizard with cars electronics and has a location well and truly in the comfort zone 3 days away from anyone in the middle of the desert and far away from any major cities so I"m set and even if this does not come to pass now it is inevitable that the world is on a collision course of cultures and no one will back down 'till everyone is tired of death and destruction and ruining our beautiful planet and barbarically dismantling all the laws of nature to fit our fast food cultures and the crazy insane theological societies that push this whole mankind identity crisis. We have lost our ability to be impartial and to see things for what they are so now we must prepare.

We already know our fathers have left massive debt and a system on the verge of collapse anyway as we will not be able to look after our weak or old or disbaled with the current social security - national insurance promises made by previous generations and we've engrained a brutal very light on caring societies where only a few kind soles help the needy whilst everyone go's out to get theirs and trample. No wonder we will be looked at in history as a disgrace and right now the first little morsel that turned into a snowball lands right at the door of partisan politicians not looking out for the folks and destroying those that honest and true and the biased mediums saturated by greed corruption again Partisan politics and above all else mis information which leads to panic paranoia and all out collapse. A real shame. By the way if anyones got any ideas of this fall out not happening then answers on a postcard to the White House Pennsyvania Ave DC

Mikey
 
I think that a lot of people have made a huge mistake in tarnishing President George W. Bush with the bad guy moniker. He is a man that respects the constitution and has to make a tough decision in The Patriot Act the scarey thing is I cannot see anyone relinquishing that legislation once it go's thru'. When you have a hazy grey area politician and an incrddibly hormanal desparate for power team behind Senator Kerry that is hell bent on demeaning the current cheif and undermining the office of President of the United States of America there are issues. I am sure Bush will get in but the damage is done he will not have an easy 4 years and he will have a hard time convincing those that did not vote him that he's the man for the job. The bombthrowers will be out. the Michael 'traitor to America' Moore will be making mucho de niro of destroying as much credibilty that this man has left and therefore weakening America and softening it up for attack. The one thing that John doesn't go into if there are people in his future 'moment' in the universe that disagree with the political system they put in place and desire a return to the limiting 2 party dominated system and with 5 presidents and a Farmer General in Omaha Nebraska maing all the calls it sounds like a sure fire way to make sure that no super sized idiotic moments can come from on indivdual that doesn't represent all of the parts of the union. My brain is on overload right now so much to write and talk about. If your near LAX Rainman then like me you better be thinking of maing a move before Bush's times up.

Omaha is home of SAC Strategic Air Command where NORAD is based and as we all may well know that is the place where they see the missiles go up and deal with it and according to John that threat is still there so my guess is that the 5100 has got to be something to do with NORAD and the saftey of the future 5 states.
 
If you guys are so convenced that this CIVIL WAR will happen , Whya arent you guys doing something to stop it . you guys are all talk. yall obviously dont believe in it deep down inside or else yall would be doing something about it . there are way to many people in america to just let this "civil war" happen - everybody loves to argue and things changing there life wont just go unnoticed. police are like anybody and wont stand for things that change there lives too. they arent just mindless beings. if the wrong president gets chosen(coghkerrycough) we do have the right to take them out of office. america was built up so much for it to crash down in 3 months

and did yall ever think about the fact that in "titors" timeline he never had a time traveler tell them about the war and if its true we had him so maybe it has been prevented
 
Another effect with U.S. Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, the other Middle Eastern countries are a little nervous.

I wouldn't be suprised if this was one of the goals of the U.S... A heavy military presence in the Middle East.
 
If you guys are so convenced that this CIVIL WAR will happen
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Personally, I am not convinced.

Whya arent you guys doing something to stop it
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Good point. I am. I am creating the world that I want to live in. I guess some people are not taking responsibility for their acts of creation, and therefore they live in a world where they are always "victims" of what someone else decides to create.

there are way to many people in america to just let this "civil war" happen - everybody loves to argue and things changing there life wont just go unnoticed. police are like anybody and wont stand for things that change there lives too.
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And all of these people in America are FREE to choose their own paths, and free to create the world they wish to live in.

If we all wish to live in a world of peace and tolerance, we can easily create it.

RMT
 
By just knowing that a civil war could possibly occur, and this civil war by prediction involved a time traveler, one made a pairative, of a known parative.

So this means, that this may be a timeline like to projected timeline, however different.

The timeline that is predicted, spits and becomes a copy of the timeline that is predicted.
 
Yeah, I see what you're saying Creedo. Each of us has the ability to split a timeline and create a new one if we don't like what is transpiring on the timeline we are viewing.

How many timelines can you view at once, Dan? I can tell that you are a multiple-timeline being. Can you see any of these parallel timelines converging towards a future you would like to see?

RMT
 
Thanks. Mikebo.

Holy S@$T. That was my first post and has nearly had 1000 Views. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In a matter of months we will find out whether he was a fake or a real Time Traveller. Actually really scary as well.
 
Hey Chaps

Well I'm hoping it's all horse manure but right now here in Southern California I have my top boys making our plan. The fella from Texas seems to articulate via this forum that his version of disturbances within cities are CIVIL WAR. I personally believe it's a war of ideologies. We're talking those who feel that security is key on the global stage and those that believe Freedom and survival come hand in hand. I need not remind you of America's history and Britians downfall and I'm English born (although Irish parents in all fairness). The bottom line for me is this, it's not a cicil war with guns it's civil unrest that forces the country to paranoia which we already have festering with the upcoming elections with spin and horseshit doing the rounds. America's first army is 10000 deep and it isn't guys with guns..... it's lawyers = FACT. Right now that a FACT. This election will be messy and whoever wins will not convince the hardcore 20% either side and you have problems as the 'on the fence' folk will be forced into decision.

Clue : with John Titor is the fact that he stated the civil disturbance starts in 2004 around the election which is currently happening (refer to previous post and you have sporadic civil unrest in my examples). His father left Tempe in 2008 when he noticed the first signs of problems in that city and let's be fair Tempe in Arizona isn't NY or LA or Chi town it's Tempe... 2008 he states that the war is on the doorstep with a house type raid.... nothing unreasonable in that with the way election coverage and trust and they left the major cities to seek solace in the wilds. Bottom line is he's not saying that by 2005 everyones going to be running round with guns and popping caps in ass over folks being Democrat or Republican... It's an ideological war started by corrupt power hungry media and political despots and when America's weak enough.... BOOM

Thats America out the way.............

C'mon read the details and terminolgy and heed the signs... God willing it's all gonna be fine ad I can carry on seeing Dolphins in the summer, chicks in bikini's and smoke and drink the days away by the beach here in SoCal but the bottom line is as of this moment I have 3 of the 5 I have chosen to work with... Ones a CFO of a massive organisations whose father is ex CIA and Intelligence in the Navy and the other is his brother who lives in the desert and is a radio, mechanics and soldier of the earth and we have purchased property in a state that should remain intact from any fallout from major cities. We have water changed daily, rucksacks and food for a period of time that can be transferred at a distance. We have bicycles with spare tires and we have the ability and fortitude to carry out our actions which would require recognizing the warning signs and being ready for anything and the worst. I didn't come on here to look big and clever nor to scaremonger I'm a 29 year old Republican supporting immigrant that came here to live by the beach drink [censored] and have a good time but I stumbled accross a red flag that I cannot ignore and I know politics and politics is not good in America right now. The world is in even worse shape as a lot of these countries don't have the same outlok on life that the constitution gave the people of the United States. I mean in England they jailed a farmer who shot an 18 year old burglar when robbing his house. He had no criminal record and this was the third time the thug robbed him and then the slam him away...... C'mon I mean I'm here for my freedom and America is great and I will take the lessons of America's history that I read both classic and Howard Zinns publication.

I'm on it and even if nothing happens at least I'm ready and at best an earthquake id gonna kick my ass and I'm in the zone...

Just my opinion

Mikey
 
If you guys are so convenced that this CIVIL WAR will happen , Whya arent you guys doing something to stop it . you guys are all talk. yall obviously dont believe in it deep down inside or else yall would be doing something about it .
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You are making a huge assumption here.

You assume that we want to stop it. There are those who are looking forward to this. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gifsmiles/ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif
 
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