I want your best paradox

By changing the past, you bifurcate an event so that one version of history revolves around a different intercept of original time.
 
I understand that you'd rather not hear about the kill your own grandfather sceme, but what if we took that a step further...somewhere beyond, maybe where few travel. Say you built a time machine, and you decided to celebrate your own greatest achievment with someone you love, say your fiancee. You want to celebrate your achievement, and she doubts your brillance. While you leave the room to hunt down a cork screw to open the Champaine, she having taken notice of your brief description of what the machine is and how it works, decides to have a test run, and in her rashness to prove you wrong is sent back in time. She discovers at that moment that you were right yet she also discovers that she doesn't have the knowledge to return home and is unfortunately stuck in her mess. However, for you, in your time comes back to discover her gone and your machine up and running. Discovering quickly what has taken place you go after her and pluck her back into your arms and back into your time(reality) only to fade away from existance. This would only occur if she was somehow related to you. In this way being your great great grandmother...Something that could never take place...a paradox. For a machine would have had to have been made in the first place to send the girl back to meet the man to have the son to have the son to have you, but then to find that the girl was engaged to you and then travels back because of you to eventually have you in her own way...is impossible, as nice a story as it is...it is impossible. Unless we're talking about parallel universes and then there is possibility.
 
First of all there are too many variables.

If you rescued her before she had any kids, then all is right with the world.

Second, if she did manage to have kids, there would be completely different people in the world. She would have had to have sex with your great great great grandfather.

Moreover, I already killed all temporal paradoxes with my theory of transition through original time.

If you go back in time and meet yourself, you are not "you". You are a copy of yourself. If you killed yourself in your own past, you would simply kill a physical copy of yourself on another temporal plane.

Thus, you still managed to live your life to a point where you had the ability to go back in time and kill yourself.

The probability of relocating "your" timeline is like, 1 in infinity. It is "infinitely improbable" which can be logically construed as "impossible".

Not virtually impossible mind you, but IMPOSSIBLE. Virtually impossible would be like, a one in a googolplex chance. One in infinity is in fact, infinitely improbable. Turn that over in your head for a moment, and realize that a one in infinity chance for an event to occur is in fact the definition of impossibility. The only one impossible thing in all of existence is to actually return to the temporal plane from whence you originated. It is the only way the universe can sustain itself.

If you were to find the actual spot in space and time where the universe originated, you could in fact wipe out all of existence by smashing one singularity into the original singularity.

The funny thing is... even if you *could* do that, the universe would simply recreate itself. The universe is in fact, the natural reaction to the existence of nothing.

The axis of original time destroys the possibility of temporal paradoxes. It is infinitely improbable, and therefore impossible to actually create a temporal paradox.

Thus spaketh the lord, or something.
 
You say that if we went back in time we would just meet a physical copy of our selves.
Now thats why i dont beleive time travel is possible. If i get up and walk to my room, there is no recording of any sort of that happening. So how can i got back to it?
There is no recording of your grandfather. So how would you be able to go back and kill him?
How can something that isnt there anymore exist.
 
Now, what if you and your science partner decided to try an experiment.
He says "Ill go back in time 1 day, and go outside your house and wait for you."
The second he goes back in time, you quikly run over to your house, there he is, but is it him, or is it just a physical copy of him? Is the real him still 1 day away?

And then look from his point of view. He travels back in time 1 day. He Waits for 1 day, and you show up. Has he realy met you? or a copy? Or will you even show up at all, because he arrives there 1 day before you actualy made the decision to meet each other there.
 
yes but if you didn't meet him the day before the experiment in front of your house, then who the hell did he visit?

He came back a few seconds later and reported that both of you had a blast together yesterday.

But you don't remember seeing him?

Why?

Alternate layer of reality. It is infinitely improbable that you will ever meet a time traveler because they don't stay on the same layer of reality and there are infinite layers between each layer and only one consciousness can occupy one layer at any given time.

that is not to say time travel is impossible, its just infinitely improbable that you would ever meet one. You'd have better luck trying your hand at the national lotto.
 
I dont think time works the way of the movies would like you to believe.

You have your basic timeline which people think of,then theres the multiverse or multitimeline

(fig1)
A(now)----------->B(past)------------->A(now)

(fig2)
A(now)----------->B(past)------>C(now)----------D(future)

Now in fig1 you see whats considered standard movie timetravel,you leave from point A present to the past,then go back to the future,its just a,b then back to a.

Nonononono
See the moment you go back in the past your very presence is an alteration and has to kinda write itself all the way up to the present,so A becomes C
and the Future becomes D.

Ok so what happens when i meet myself?
well youve already changed things by being there,and now youre meeting yourself,
or so you think!!!
you are meeting yourself but your actually meeting a copy,a multiversal copy.

To make this clearer

A(past)------>B(present)------->C(future) (normal)

Your at B,you go to the past A and the moment you do that from your perspective B does not exist,

so B becomes C

A-----B-----/Cut off/A-------C>>>>>D future (time altered)

The normal timeline still exists maybe in a parallel universe,except your no longer in it,your just changing the probabilites where youre at,as you still exist in parallel universes on quantum probabilities,if its probable you exist elsewhere then its also probable for you to meet these copies,theres no actual harm in that if the original A/B timeline is accepted to exist on a quantum scale.

You have to accept though that cos you create a C/D line that the present will not be the same as what it was before,every second you spend in the past is altering the run of things,the shops you visit,the people you talk to and so on.
If you were to go back in the past from where youre at in the C/D line then its the same:

C-----D----/cut off/C------E>>>>>F future (altered again)

The problem that it doesnt fix is memory,for instance YES there very well could be parallel universes but i dont have memorys of other copies of myself.

WHY should time travel be an exception to the rule?

If certain events dont happen because i changed them,how is it i have memory of the events even though they never happened?

And parallel universes will not solve this problem cos as i said we dont get memory from these universes in natural law,so the questions about memory remain.

Multi timeline sounds ok,but its gonna follow the same physics as far as memory is concerned.

Although saying that as your in a different universe it should mean you keep your memorys from the previous timeline,i say SHOULD but im unsure.

We can know how mass,energy and so on works elsewhere and can transfer to and fro naturally,but thats not using memory,it just does it,
when your doing these things your only doing them based on memory,if memory is wrecked from this procedure the whole thing gets cancelled out.

It kinda forces you to accept the multiverse idea,so that memory is carried forward from where you was to where youre now at.
 
What about this situation that prevents paradoxes that I have heard from time to time - you go back in time to try and change an event that would then change the future, but you can't change it because that event has to happen in order to lead you to go back in time in the first place, so whatever you do to stop it, it still happens but in a different way? I'm not too sure about this way of thinking of it myself, and it wouldn't apply to every situation really either. <font color="black"> [/COLOR]
 
The closer you get to the speed of light the slower time goes, so once you break the speed of light time starts to reverse. So, I figure (if you haven't been killed by the speed yet) there will be reversed aging and you will die by gettinq younger and younger untill you are nothing. Or whatever you are in might dissapear because you could go so far back it isnt there yet.

-Billy-
 
Energy never dies, therefore every little thing you ever did either made or changed the energy. This energy will always be there for ever, so if you go back in time the energy and every thing you did you will still be doing. This is a really confusing subject. i wonder if our questions will ever be answered.
-billy-
 
Time doesn't slow down for you when you reach the speed of light. ...As I've heard it, it's like this. If you get close to the speed of light, a one hour trip for you would be more than one hour for everything else. If you were to travel very close to the speed of light and measure one hour on your watch, when you slowed down and returned to earth, you might find that a year had passed. You would be an hour older, and everyone else would have aged a year. You wouldn't meet yourself, a year older, because you'd have gone on the trip. I believe travel "backwards" in time is impossible. Mostly for practical reasons. You'd have to travel through a lot of space, to travel through time. Also, hitting the speed of light is impossible for people. I dunno about wormholes and the like, though. I'm new here. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Oh, I forgot. ...thus, paradoxes are not possible. They are mental indicators that at least one idea we are using in our thinking is wrong; not possible; mistaken. I whole-heartedly agree that they are interesting to think about, but they are thought experiments based on some fundamentally mistaken principles. My point is that a paradox's effect in physics is only to show that there is a piece of the puzzle we are missing. You know what they say: "Philosophy is 50 years behind physics."
 
ihavbeendoingit' If youre Chronohistorian as you now admit to being, did you use a script in your tellings within this forum?

Also did you have help from others?
 
oh my, NO, No NO. i dunno how to use a script.

why ? did i appear so /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif? if so i deeply regretted and apologise for any inconvenience!
 
hi all and to creedo,

1- i have no ill intentions... do not get me wrong.

2- i do not have any scripts- i m a bad reader of manuscripts and a poor computer programmer of javascript.

3- the last thing i wan is to loose my credibility on this board

4- i do not TIME TRAVEL- from wat i know from friends who are- they dun travel using time machines- these friends could be my own "imagination" but they r veri veri real to me.

5- the real thing about TIME TRAVEL is only non-matter can time travel ;and that is why the UFOs u see in the sky are not time travellers- they are ALIENS !!! anyone who claims otherwise that there is a time machine- i m sorri i dun believe them much as i would like.

6- my wife ( 30 years old ), my sons ( 7 years olds ) and grandmother ( 90 years old ) and me ( I am 37 years old ) saw the UFO in the sky and are veri convinced they r aliens- becos the flying craft is very very 'smart' here's what happened:


the object is a silvery sphere that has the ability to merge with the color of its background ( like the sky ). estimating from the distance of about 70km from where we were it's diameter must be about 1km across....

last december at about 1 pm ,my wife spotted an UFO while having lunch with my sons outside the house. she called me ( in a very slow and calm manner ) on my mobile phone cos i was in my room. i get downstairs and saw it in the sky. i pointed at it to my grandmother becos her eyesight is not so good. it was hovering in the sky just above a building in the distance.then, as if the object noticed me pointing at it, it suddenly changed from silver to near skyblue.

un-detered.. i quickly grab my dig cam and try to capture it. although it is nearly invisible, i could still make out the spherical shape.it was about 70km from where we were and suddenly propelled to its right. it was too late i tok, n i am 'veri veri veri in god's name' convinced that it can see us and know what i was trying to do.

the next 5 mins was me looking like an idiot in the neighbourhood desperately trying to capture it on my cam.then , it did a very "cool" move. it did something like a 45 degrees acrobatic move behind a cloud located on its upper left.what happened about a long 3 mins later was 2 fighter jets screeching across the sky twice towards the easterly and westerly directions...

that night i had a most wonderful dream u could not even imagine...

the incident really impressed me and till today i keep the memory clear in my mind by recalling the incident regularly in my mind - becos it was the most beautiful experience.note: at no time did i want to capture it in my cam and sell it to the news. my intentions was to keep the clips as secret "family treasures" to pass down to future generations.our forefathers have tons of these "family treasures" in our basement.

and u know what? i m contented just to see the UFO.wonders and lucky events follow me till today becos i think whoever in that sphere knows i have no ill intentions against them nor fellow humans.
i m sharing with u becos i know some of u have strong beliefs in UFOs and aliens but never have any chance yet to see them. i tell these people- yes they are real!
 
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