I told you, Creedo!
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EntropySux
Chrono Cadet
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As to the first part of your sentence...dead wrong. As for the second part....great news! I see you have also vacated another thread where you don't agree...I hope this is a trend.
As to the first part of your sentence...dead wrong. As for the second part....great news! I see you have also vacated another thread where you don't agree...I hope this is a trend.
troydayton
Temporal Novice
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
For a guy with so much interest in Time Travel and Aerospace, I would expect that you of all people Creedo would recognize that anytime we're talking about space flight, we're also talking about time travel.
John Glenn is seven seconds younger than he would have been had he not gone into space on the shuttle a couple of years ago as the oldest astronaut ever. Time travel indeed.
At any rate, I too am very impressed with Burt and Dick Rutan's recent accomplishments, and you're just generally being a stick in the mud for a reason you haven't really revealed yet.
For a guy with so much interest in Time Travel and Aerospace, I would expect that you of all people Creedo would recognize that anytime we're talking about space flight, we're also talking about time travel.
John Glenn is seven seconds younger than he would have been had he not gone into space on the shuttle a couple of years ago as the oldest astronaut ever. Time travel indeed.
At any rate, I too am very impressed with Burt and Dick Rutan's recent accomplishments, and you're just generally being a stick in the mud for a reason you haven't really revealed yet.
creedo299
Epochal Historian
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Troy'Burt Rutan did not accomplish (deleted).
He got lucky and made a short-range space craft, that spirals back in.
Wait till the contractors for the satellites they want to return, get jostled around, because of the known spiral reentry pattern.
This thread is insane and does not make any sense.
I asked that it was moved out, because it did not make sense.
I am not on trial here, NASA for being such a sack of (deleted) is.
Many people have told them about the short-gaps in the thermal; protection layer and that it needed reengineered, but they did nothing.
Do not try to hang this on my shoulders.
We should have had moon bases five years ago without any excuses, however everything is corrupt.
This is not my problem, please go bother and badger someone else?
(Edit note, starting with nose over commencing into a spiral for aerospace-craft is not in the time travel discussion.
Creedo places concerns of this thread, under protest.
Troy'Burt Rutan did not accomplish (deleted).
He got lucky and made a short-range space craft, that spirals back in.
Wait till the contractors for the satellites they want to return, get jostled around, because of the known spiral reentry pattern.
This thread is insane and does not make any sense.
I asked that it was moved out, because it did not make sense.
I am not on trial here, NASA for being such a sack of (deleted) is.
Many people have told them about the short-gaps in the thermal; protection layer and that it needed reengineered, but they did nothing.
Do not try to hang this on my shoulders.
We should have had moon bases five years ago without any excuses, however everything is corrupt.
This is not my problem, please go bother and badger someone else?
(Edit note, starting with nose over commencing into a spiral for aerospace-craft is not in the time travel discussion.
Creedo places concerns of this thread, under protest.
Razimus
Temporal Navigator
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
Creedo, earning the X prize wasn't worth dookie? I disagree, the day NASA loses its monopoly will be a great day. These X prize winners are taking the world closer to that day.
An insane thread that doesn't make any sense, sounds familiar.
There is some corruption in NASA, I agree we should've had moon bases years ago. George Bush has been criticized immensely, but I would say he is a unique president, one that is actually interested and involved in the future of space travel which is rare, so rare that I can only think of one other president actively involved in space exploration, JFK. Bush’s critics called him a drunk when he announced his return to the moon mission, but I was very happy to hear it. I personally think NASA doesn't want to return man to the moon, let alone build bases, but the president is firmly compelling them to change their plans.
Many are mad because the Hubble telescope will lose it's funding in a few years when the funding will be focused on the Moon Missions. I think I am not in the popular crowd when I say I don't care about the Hubble, as the missions to the moon are more important.
Just a little fact proving NASA is corrupt. NASA claimed the Hubble could not take photos of the moon. They gave supposedly legitimate reasons why, because it's designed to take photos of distant objects, and the moon would be too bright and might damage the Hubble's lense. Those sound like good reasons. Officially NASA has always claimed the Hubble can't take photos of the moon. Despite what NASA claims, NASA released One close up photo of the moon. It's of the Copernicus crater.
You can see the photo Here.
This photo was taken close up, as bright as the moon could be. NASA took more photos of the moon but they never released them. It's very possible this photo was released on accident, or by someone that didn't know NASA officially stated the Hubble can't photograph the moon, this statement has yet to be retracted.
If they release a Hubble satellite kodak picture of the US flag and the lunar base and perhaps my opinion on the Hubble would change. I still think the moon is the obvious next step in space exploration.
--- Razimus
Creedo, earning the X prize wasn't worth dookie? I disagree, the day NASA loses its monopoly will be a great day. These X prize winners are taking the world closer to that day.
An insane thread that doesn't make any sense, sounds familiar.
There is some corruption in NASA, I agree we should've had moon bases years ago. George Bush has been criticized immensely, but I would say he is a unique president, one that is actually interested and involved in the future of space travel which is rare, so rare that I can only think of one other president actively involved in space exploration, JFK. Bush’s critics called him a drunk when he announced his return to the moon mission, but I was very happy to hear it. I personally think NASA doesn't want to return man to the moon, let alone build bases, but the president is firmly compelling them to change their plans.
Many are mad because the Hubble telescope will lose it's funding in a few years when the funding will be focused on the Moon Missions. I think I am not in the popular crowd when I say I don't care about the Hubble, as the missions to the moon are more important.
Just a little fact proving NASA is corrupt. NASA claimed the Hubble could not take photos of the moon. They gave supposedly legitimate reasons why, because it's designed to take photos of distant objects, and the moon would be too bright and might damage the Hubble's lense. Those sound like good reasons. Officially NASA has always claimed the Hubble can't take photos of the moon. Despite what NASA claims, NASA released One close up photo of the moon. It's of the Copernicus crater.
You can see the photo Here.
This photo was taken close up, as bright as the moon could be. NASA took more photos of the moon but they never released them. It's very possible this photo was released on accident, or by someone that didn't know NASA officially stated the Hubble can't photograph the moon, this statement has yet to be retracted.
If they release a Hubble satellite kodak picture of the US flag and the lunar base and perhaps my opinion on the Hubble would change. I still think the moon is the obvious next step in space exploration.
--- Razimus
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
Beg to differ, Creeds. Rutan built a vehicle that met the requirements. To the T! He built the minimum solution to win the prize, and no more. If you understand good systems engineering, you understand that he did exactly what he said he was going to do. There is no better measure than that.
Now we simply define a higher system standard, a more stringent requirement. There is no doubt that the next generation of public access space vehicles will be even more advanced. That is the way that things have always evolved.
RMT
Beg to differ, Creeds. Rutan built a vehicle that met the requirements. To the T! He built the minimum solution to win the prize, and no more. If you understand good systems engineering, you understand that he did exactly what he said he was going to do. There is no better measure than that.
Now we simply define a higher system standard, a more stringent requirement. There is no doubt that the next generation of public access space vehicles will be even more advanced. That is the way that things have always evolved.
RMT
creedo299
Epochal Historian
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
You hedge what you say.
You always did.
Before you said that this was another way to put low cost packages in space.
I understand it, that when you nose over and let one wing drop, then you're in a spiral.
When you have a package in the cargo hold, and apply wings and add lift to that airframe, then what is going to happen to wing stress over structure?.....Right, your going to snap the wings off and unless you have a cargo parachute, they will burrow into the ground.
This is privatized, which means we done have any say in the matter.
Please note a few days ago a stunt pilot was doing spirals and got low in altitude and tried to pull out.
You hedge what you say.
You always did.
Before you said that this was another way to put low cost packages in space.
I understand it, that when you nose over and let one wing drop, then you're in a spiral.
When you have a package in the cargo hold, and apply wings and add lift to that airframe, then what is going to happen to wing stress over structure?.....Right, your going to snap the wings off and unless you have a cargo parachute, they will burrow into the ground.
This is privatized, which means we done have any say in the matter.
Please note a few days ago a stunt pilot was doing spirals and got low in altitude and tried to pull out.
troydayton
Temporal Novice
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
Perhaps you're referring to a different thread here Creedo, but quoting RMT at the beginning of this thread, he said:
Yes, indeed, I did tell you long ago to keep an eye on Burt Rutan. As we see today, in his winning the Ansari X-prize, he is going to be the primary force in getting the "average Joe" into space. You should write to him if you want a job in space!
Now where in this post did he refer to packages or satellites or hauling cargo into space? The answer is nowhere. Now if you have a problem with Burt Rutan and Scaled Composites, then perhaps you should just let that out of the closet and tell us all what it is. Or if you're referring to a previous post that RMT made in a different thread, referring to cargo or satellites, perhaps you should state that too and make it clear.
I read this thread and it seemed to me like RMT was trying to give credit where it's due and say "Atta boy" to a team that achieved something remarkable, putting a human in space... not cargo, not a satellite. And then you jump down his throat with claims (if you read between the lines) that Rutan's achievements aren't worthy of praise and that it's a worthless endeavour. I don't care how many posts you've made in this forum. If you ask me, you're the one being rude.
I can spout expletives with the best of them, but I'd rather not lower myself...
Perhaps you're referring to a different thread here Creedo, but quoting RMT at the beginning of this thread, he said:
Yes, indeed, I did tell you long ago to keep an eye on Burt Rutan. As we see today, in his winning the Ansari X-prize, he is going to be the primary force in getting the "average Joe" into space. You should write to him if you want a job in space!
Now where in this post did he refer to packages or satellites or hauling cargo into space? The answer is nowhere. Now if you have a problem with Burt Rutan and Scaled Composites, then perhaps you should just let that out of the closet and tell us all what it is. Or if you're referring to a previous post that RMT made in a different thread, referring to cargo or satellites, perhaps you should state that too and make it clear.
I read this thread and it seemed to me like RMT was trying to give credit where it's due and say "Atta boy" to a team that achieved something remarkable, putting a human in space... not cargo, not a satellite. And then you jump down his throat with claims (if you read between the lines) that Rutan's achievements aren't worthy of praise and that it's a worthless endeavour. I don't care how many posts you've made in this forum. If you ask me, you're the one being rude.
I can spout expletives with the best of them, but I'd rather not lower myself...
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
Thanks, Troydayton...
You completely understood what I was doing, and it is also clear you understand the concept of designing to meet requirements.
Creedo likes to try to position himself as more advanced than...well, pretty much everyone. OTOH, while I am a practicing aerospace engineer, I consider myself nowhere NEAR the league of a guy like Rutan.
Let's put it this way, Creedo: If Rutan were interested in designing a specific vehicle to meet some requirement of yours, I'd say he'd have a better shot at being successful than you, me, or pretty much most people I know!
RMT
Thanks, Troydayton...
You completely understood what I was doing, and it is also clear you understand the concept of designing to meet requirements.
Creedo likes to try to position himself as more advanced than...well, pretty much everyone. OTOH, while I am a practicing aerospace engineer, I consider myself nowhere NEAR the league of a guy like Rutan.
Let's put it this way, Creedo: If Rutan were interested in designing a specific vehicle to meet some requirement of yours, I'd say he'd have a better shot at being successful than you, me, or pretty much most people I know!
RMT
creedo299
Epochal Historian
Re: This post is comtary to what subject belives
By the time Rutan would have accepted me, they were on a launch profile anyway.
I go by the book.
And the book says that you want to impart the least stress to a return cargo that you can or is possible.
So I'm thinking, a sled type of spacecraft.
What they do with his reentry profile, is to gently spiral it in and then open the wings.
If I put myself in the place of a contractor who would want to have his sat returned, I'm thinking, I DO NOT WANT THIS PACKAGE SPUN AROUND, even though they do test them this way.
For ordinary people, rich executives who want to ride short term into near space, then I say that's fine, let Rutan do this for their egos.
For me though, I'm thinking something along the size of the French Hermes space craft, which is still a lifting body.
Hey' I got to put it right here and this is, I won't work without being treated like a human and won't work without a contract.
The lift effect equation I have.
Only I know how this works and this was in a paper I did a while back.
My stance is not animosity towards anyone here.
It's just saying that I'm tired of being treated like an animal.
If Bert and Dick want to make their money riding rich people into near space, then let them do this.
For me, on a near space vehicle, well I would say that Hermes is or would be close enough, but you have to understand the formula, which NASA does not.
By the time Rutan would have accepted me, they were on a launch profile anyway.
I go by the book.
And the book says that you want to impart the least stress to a return cargo that you can or is possible.
So I'm thinking, a sled type of spacecraft.
What they do with his reentry profile, is to gently spiral it in and then open the wings.
If I put myself in the place of a contractor who would want to have his sat returned, I'm thinking, I DO NOT WANT THIS PACKAGE SPUN AROUND, even though they do test them this way.
For ordinary people, rich executives who want to ride short term into near space, then I say that's fine, let Rutan do this for their egos.
For me though, I'm thinking something along the size of the French Hermes space craft, which is still a lifting body.
Hey' I got to put it right here and this is, I won't work without being treated like a human and won't work without a contract.
The lift effect equation I have.
Only I know how this works and this was in a paper I did a while back.
My stance is not animosity towards anyone here.
It's just saying that I'm tired of being treated like an animal.
If Bert and Dick want to make their money riding rich people into near space, then let them do this.
For me, on a near space vehicle, well I would say that Hermes is or would be close enough, but you have to understand the formula, which NASA does not.