I need to travel back to 1/10/2005!

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blu64

Temporal Novice
hello everybody:
I have been browsing these forums for a few weeks, and have come to two conclusions:
1. at least one person using these forums is a 'real' time traveler
2. the rest of us are just crazy enough to believe that #1 is fact

so going on those two assumpions i am going to stick my neck out and ask for a favor, a favor that i believe at least one of you has the ability to do. the real question is, i believe do you have the nerve and the compassion to do it. i'm betting you do. I hope i'm right.
I need to get either a message, or some other form of intervention to 1-10-2005. here's why: on the morning of 1-11 about 10am a young woman died, senselessly, and needlessly. As a result of this death, on 1-13 there was another death also needless and also senseless. Why are these deaths important enough for me to ask anyone to risk screwing with the timelines for? It's is more than just simple grief, or guilt. though yes those do play a part. No the main reason is that i believe that this young woman would have in some way been important, not just to those of us who loved her but to the world at large. I wish I could explain to you how i know this, but even i am not sure, i just have an instinctive knowledge of it, can't explain it even to myself, but its never been wrong before.
If as i believe one of u is for real out there, this is your chance to put your knowledge, skills and (i hope) compasion to good use.
to those of you out there who think all this is nuts, and that i must be too. I can only say that if i am then what the hell, It's damn sure worth a try. If i don't ask then i sure as heck wont get any help will I, and after all what do I have to lose? two people are gone, and all it will take to stop this from ever happening is a note that says "dont let k go home on the 11th, no matter what". for somebody out there it would be the work of 5 minutes. all i can say is do it, and do it now, please. thanks. blu64
 
Dear blu64,

I am so sorry to hear about your sorrow and distress. I do not know any Time Travelers, but I might know a few things that might comfort you. It took many years for me to believe it, but I learned that everything happens for a reason. When something bad happens, God figures out a way to make something good come out of it.

That couple is on the 'other side' now, where they can still do great things...and even help those on earth from where they are. They are in a better place, at peace, unless there was a suicide, and in that case many prayers would help.

These two people can even communicate with you through your dreams. That is one way that people in the afterlife can communicate with the living on earth. My loved ones over there visit me often that way. I have dreams about people that I didn't know personally too, but I knew of them. Anyway, even if you don't remember your dreams, open your mind to it and it will happen if you want it to.

If you really want to communicate with the two who crossed over, you might speak to them audibly as they can hear you...and they might figure out how to communicate back.

About contacting a Time Traveler, the only possible way I know of is to go to: www.artcomic.com/timetravel/

That is one possibility, but it is probably not the instant answer you seek...however if Time Travel is possible (and I believe it is), there is plenty of that.

Hope my words are a little comforting.
Take care, Amanda...aka, everaftergirl
 
thanks everafter, and thought there is grief here its more than that, i wish i had the words to explain. instant answers are not what i seek, after all in my timeline it doesn't matter when it happens, just that is does. anyway thankyou for the link. like i say i got nothing left to lose. and even though straws are hard to grasp if you keep trying you just might catch one, right.
 
Compassion is a bad word to use.

A traveller that changed a linear timeline, by preventing a death, might in effect cause more. This probably will be hard to believe.

You don't know what will happen in the future, therefore if these two individuals were back in the timeline in their previous form. you just don't know what will happen. Important or not.

Also if you mangaged to get back, the time line will most likely branch to create another. You will return to your original timeline, where events are the same anyway. And the new timeline is something that was only brought about due to changes you made.

In actuality a compassionate time traveller would have to favour the safety of all existing people on a timeline then help to change the past in ways that might put any number of those people in danger. Even if it was for one of their own family....

Really you just can't tell what your messing around with by preventing/causing deaths etc. no matter how innocent or important it feels.

kind regards,
Olly
 
So another person died, because of this young woman dying? I would definitely call that fate, it was meant to happen and there is no reason to change it. Who says it was senseless? We're all supposed to die, and in the end we all die alone. But to think you have the ability to say "When" someone will die, thats just playing God.
 
Yes, really sorry but I would have to say no if I were a TT. Even if it was to save a member of my own family, I know that I would alter things too radically to justify the interference. I would suggest you ask a person you trust to allow you to talk over your thoughts. This won't make things better, but it will allow you to get your feelings across about the people you feel for.
 
We are all entitled to play god. You are allowed to find a way to go back and try and save the two people. Its only your choice. So you have to decide. Technically there is no right or wrong.

However there will be consequences. If it was a member of my family or a close friend. I don't know what i would do as i haven't been in the situation. Therefore i wouldn't 'tell' you what to do. I just know what would be the best decision.

kind regards,
Olly
 
No, Its just like i said - i can tell you the best decision. But until you are in the situation, you can't 100% take the moral high-ground. Until you are in the situation - you don't know what you'd do, in truth. Even if you did know what was morally 'right'.

The government have done far worse - no one plolices them. why can't the public decide their own moral decisions in the same way. In truth, they can.

This is why i wouldn't ever say DO or DO NOT do it. because its not for me to decide.

Kind regards,
Olly
 
ollyb:
regarding:
This is why i wouldn't ever say DO or DO NOT do it. because its not for me to decide.
this in truth is the crux of the matter. because i am willing torisk my personal timeline to do it, should it not in truth be at leastt partially MY choice weather or not to do it?

earlier in the thread someone said that making changes would just creat a new timeline where the changes had taken place while this one would stay the same. fine as long as there is one, my presence there isn't what is necessary, just that these things didn't happen. this isn't about me.
 
Go back and save them. They will still unfortunately die. It makes no difference what you do their fates were to leave this plane and nothing that can be done would change it. You keep her form going home on the 11th she will still be gone by the 12th. Sorry for your loss and any loss to the world as a whole.

Trust me on this one.

Bas
 
you are perhaps correct-compassion is probably not the right word to use. i am not looking to appeal to anyones emotions as much as i am trying to right what I FEEL to be a wrong. and indeed i could be wrong myself. and yes it may be selfish of me to be willing to risk the whole timeline on just an instinct. but i have always trusted this instinct before and it has yet to be wrong. so i have to at least try. i beleive almost anyone of you would do the same. weather i am sucessuful or not at least i will have tried.
 
ren:
it is indeed in a way "playing god" but dont we (by we i mean humans) attempt in many ways to play god every day, our doctors revive haeart attact paintents, our scientests get ever closer to cloning human life, then there are the executions carried out on convicts by the govt. on a regular basis. are we not then deciding who lives and who dies in more mundane fashions each and every day?
 
Parallel Universes

A couple of days ago I bought a book, "Parallel Universes: The Search for Other Worlds" by Fred Alan Wolf. This book might be something for you to read, as it addresses the subject you were talking about...alternate time lines, different worlds parallel to our own.

I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I just noticed that the author dedicated the book to his son, who has passed on. That's interesting...
 
bastionk:
regarding:
They will still unfortunately die. It makes no difference what you do their fates were to leave this plane and nothing that can be done would change it
i dissagree i do not think that time and fate are imutable, they are changeable, there is no book with the future written in stone. if everything was already planned out to the nth degree like that what would be the point of bothering to live. just read the book and test out of the course, so to speak. no things can be changed, and if they can be then i must at least try.
 
Life is random and deterministic. Depending on your point of view.

See: http://www.hedweb.com/everett/everett.htm#i

Go to question 25 (Q25)

Why did Fred Left-brain end up as Fred Left-brain and Fred Right-brain as Fred Right-brain?

To Fred Left- or Right-brain the choice appears random. To the surgeon it appears deterministic.

Be careful. Your own brain may explode thinking through this one. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Everaftergirl you are full of something...

-"When something bad happens, God figures out a way to make something good come out of it."

THIS IS SO LAUGHABLE IT IS NOT EVEN WORTH COMMENTING ON.

-"That couple is on the 'other side' now, where they can still do great things...and even help those on earth from where they are."

And what "great things" might these be? I cannot express to you how utterly stupid what you are saying is. HOW THE HELL DO DEAD PEOPLE DO GREAT THINGS? YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. TAKE YOUR STUPID BELIEFS AND GO SHOVE THEM.
 
Roel,

Everaftergirl you are full of something...

-"When something bad happens, God figures out a way to make something good come out of it."

THIS IS SO LAUGHABLE IT IS NOT EVEN WORTH COMMENTING ON.

-"That couple is on the 'other side' now, where they can still do great things...and even help those on earth from where they are."

And what "great things" might these be? I cannot express to you how utterly stupid what you are saying is. HOW THE HELL DO DEAD PEOPLE DO GREAT THINGS? YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. TAKE YOUR STUPID BELIEFS AND GO SHOVE THEM.
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Can you step in here and maybe advise Deni about the TOS Rules? This post is way over the line.
 
deni: no one is more messed up about this whole thing than i am but everafter is just trying to help how much i hurt. who the heck knows she may be right. regardless she has the right to offer any help she desires, i make no judgements on anyone. nor should you. if you have something construstive to add to this thread please do so if you dont go find a fight room on ares and have at it. ok dude. thanks.
 
Hello there, Ig:
If there is by chance a real time traveller posting on this site
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Question for you and others that might be seeking such a traveler:

Might it be possible that each of us who posts here is ALREADY a time traveler, but we do not yet realize it at our conscious level of Mind?

Do you "think" it might be possible for each of us to "think" our way past the barrier of linear Time? The very barrier that causes us to accept the illusion that your Body/Mind/Soul/Spirit is somehow separate and different from my Body/Mind/Soul/Spirit, as it is also separate and different from everyone else's Body/Mind/Soul/Spirit?

I say to you, sir...and I say to all who read this: You are already Travelers of Time. You only need accept it as truth... and then learn the "formulas" for how to mix Mass and Space to achieve the Time you wish to experience.

RMT
 
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