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ruthless
Rift Surfer
Re: This is what Economic Collapse looks like
"By the way, I ate 2, One I cooked the day before, then I soaked in BBQ sauce, just the meat, and made a second(we got for free).
I did, have the feeling ya didn't get one, so I ate an extra portion for you. I promise. Sent a prayer, brother(In silence). Has weighed heavy on me."
thanks, i appreciate it. i need all the help i can get.
"By the way, I ate 2, One I cooked the day before, then I soaked in BBQ sauce, just the meat, and made a second(we got for free).
I did, have the feeling ya didn't get one, so I ate an extra portion for you. I promise. Sent a prayer, brother(In silence). Has weighed heavy on me."
thanks, i appreciate it. i need all the help i can get.
ruthless
Rift Surfer
Re: Comic Batman reaches end of road...
"Shall be Economic in Nature?"
ill let this speak for itself, for you know, beyond others, what this means.
"Peter Parker goes down to Florida to cover the Lizard for the Daily Bugle and runs into him as Spider-Man. He discovers Doctor Curt Connors is really the Lizard and gives him a serum to turn him back to normal."
"Shall be Economic in Nature?"
ill let this speak for itself, for you know, beyond others, what this means.
"Peter Parker goes down to Florida to cover the Lizard for the Daily Bugle and runs into him as Spider-Man. He discovers Doctor Curt Connors is really the Lizard and gives him a serum to turn him back to normal."
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
MUMBAI & COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
From http://www.mikeruppert.blogspot.com/
MUMBAI AND THE COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
by
Michael C. Ruppert
(c) Copyright 2008. All Rights Reserved. Michael C. Ruppert
(Send it. Use it. But leave my name on it and don't change it. -- Especially you, Gore Vidal.)
Thanksgiving, Nov. 27,2008 – 00:30 PST – (After my last post I'd better start putting a time sig on these.)
I do not know how many other corporations are affected; but they will be many, if not most of the Dow 30 and the Fortune 500. And I can tell you that on Friday morning, any customer or client of Citigroup, Symantec or Hewlett-Packard will be unable to get customer assistance over the phone. Warranty service for these corporations will stop. I know that because I have been through that horrible grind with all of them in the last year or so. All of their calls are taken in Mumbai, by Indians. Nothing is working in Mumbai and there can be no certainty when anything will be working. Because the attacks included the premier hotels in the financial district, no multi-national will ever trust the city again. The risk is too great. I can almost bet that the multinationals are all well prepared for attacks on their own facilities, but were totally unprepared for an attack that pulled the city out from under them.
I think many corporations also have data processing and IT centers there are well.
The Achilles tendon of globalization has just been severed.
The Achilles tendon of globalization has just been severed.
Ordinarily, I would go out and start researching to see how bad the exposure is but I already know that it is catastrophic. The markets will do all our research and reporting very quickly for us. Citigroup will be devastated. Its CEO Vikram Pandit, is Indian.
I am certain that this was the intended outcome of the attacks.
Fingers have been pointing to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Depak Chopra has even pointed at Saudi Arabia as a possible financier… with the whole world watching. He is a fine soul, but I wonder if he knows what he's doing. Every head of state in the world with an IQ above 70 is right now living his or her worst nightmare. (You know who that leaves out.) But something in all this smells Chechen or Russian to me in terms of style, organization and capability. No way did this one originate in the States.
I have scanned my memory banks from Munich to Mogadishu; from 9-11 to Tanzania; from Tet to London…. And I keep coming back to Beslan as the closest model. All the CIA hands and terror experts, some of the very good "experts" fail to mention the many similarities this has with Beslan. It's just my gut. Yet no one on CNN or anyplace else I have seen has even mentioned Chechnya. Still, this is truly an entirely new species of terror attack. There is a reason why science does not rush to name and certify new species.
I can draw no conclusions yet, nor should anyone else. Chechnya is bad enough as a possible source, but I pray that these attacks are not Russian. If they are then all I can say is "Duck and cover." This is about as heavy as it gets. There is a strong stew of CIA, Al Qaeda, Russian DFS and Taliban simmering there, (see Rubicon). But, to quote our frequent contributor Victoria, "We are all standing in a pool of gasoline"… and someone just threw the match.
Sometimes understanding is the booby prize; like the guy who stood on the bow of the Titanic screaming, "I'm not getting off this ship until I find out why this happened!"
What scares me most about the Mumbai attacks is the following:
1. They are not over yet.
2. We don't know who did it.
3. At this level of sophistication I would expect the capacity for a "follow-on" in the near future. If the intent of the attack is to put the United States completely out of business it will have to do so quickly.
4. The United States still has enormous military power which might be viewed in some DoD circles now as "Use it or lose it." They too can see the writing on the Imperial wall.
5. The attackers have made no demands.
6. To even publicly breathe that it might be state-sponsored puts us (i.e. all mankind) a hair trigger away from nuclear conflict in any off our theaters tactically and on a MAD basis strategically.
7. The logistics and C3 (Command, Control and Communications) for this looks state-sponsored.
8. This is an absolutely brilliant and potentially fatal blow aimed precisely at the weakest spots we have mapped in "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" and at "From The Wilderness".
The fact that there are no convincing suspects as yet also points to a state-sponsor trying to disguise itself as a large terror group. That might explain why there are no demands... Demands identify the suspect.
I am being very careful right now. There are many intriguing threads and it is too early for any of us to rush to judgment. It took me two and half years and many tens of thousands of dollars in research and investigation to conclude and write that Richard Cheney had masterminded and executed 9-11 for the purpose of seizing Iraqi oil. My book has never been challenged or even acknowledged by the U.S. government; a government which spent millions on web sites and press releases to (rightfully) discredit all other 9-11 investigations. My book is in the Harvard Business School Library. It has a thousand footnotes. It has sold a lot of copies.
The analytic construct for Mumbai I have is this:
It is clear that the United States is imploding and that its economic, military and political influence are dying. As with all empires, it was the power of the state; whether economic, cultural, or military, which held the divergent parts together. In many cases enemies were bound next to enemies like two cats tied so tightly in a wet burlap sack that they could not move. But if the sack were to loosen, weaken…and expand? What if six wet cats were in the sack as it started to rend?
Our present, publicly-acknowledged cats include India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Now throw in Russia and Chechnya… Shake and stir.
Is it sinking in how dangerous this is?
From http://www.mikeruppert.blogspot.com/
MUMBAI AND THE COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
by
Michael C. Ruppert
(c) Copyright 2008. All Rights Reserved. Michael C. Ruppert
(Send it. Use it. But leave my name on it and don't change it. -- Especially you, Gore Vidal.)
Thanksgiving, Nov. 27,2008 – 00:30 PST – (After my last post I'd better start putting a time sig on these.)
I do not know how many other corporations are affected; but they will be many, if not most of the Dow 30 and the Fortune 500. And I can tell you that on Friday morning, any customer or client of Citigroup, Symantec or Hewlett-Packard will be unable to get customer assistance over the phone. Warranty service for these corporations will stop. I know that because I have been through that horrible grind with all of them in the last year or so. All of their calls are taken in Mumbai, by Indians. Nothing is working in Mumbai and there can be no certainty when anything will be working. Because the attacks included the premier hotels in the financial district, no multi-national will ever trust the city again. The risk is too great. I can almost bet that the multinationals are all well prepared for attacks on their own facilities, but were totally unprepared for an attack that pulled the city out from under them.
I think many corporations also have data processing and IT centers there are well.
The Achilles tendon of globalization has just been severed.
The Achilles tendon of globalization has just been severed.
Ordinarily, I would go out and start researching to see how bad the exposure is but I already know that it is catastrophic. The markets will do all our research and reporting very quickly for us. Citigroup will be devastated. Its CEO Vikram Pandit, is Indian.
I am certain that this was the intended outcome of the attacks.
Fingers have been pointing to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Depak Chopra has even pointed at Saudi Arabia as a possible financier… with the whole world watching. He is a fine soul, but I wonder if he knows what he's doing. Every head of state in the world with an IQ above 70 is right now living his or her worst nightmare. (You know who that leaves out.) But something in all this smells Chechen or Russian to me in terms of style, organization and capability. No way did this one originate in the States.
I have scanned my memory banks from Munich to Mogadishu; from 9-11 to Tanzania; from Tet to London…. And I keep coming back to Beslan as the closest model. All the CIA hands and terror experts, some of the very good "experts" fail to mention the many similarities this has with Beslan. It's just my gut. Yet no one on CNN or anyplace else I have seen has even mentioned Chechnya. Still, this is truly an entirely new species of terror attack. There is a reason why science does not rush to name and certify new species.
I can draw no conclusions yet, nor should anyone else. Chechnya is bad enough as a possible source, but I pray that these attacks are not Russian. If they are then all I can say is "Duck and cover." This is about as heavy as it gets. There is a strong stew of CIA, Al Qaeda, Russian DFS and Taliban simmering there, (see Rubicon). But, to quote our frequent contributor Victoria, "We are all standing in a pool of gasoline"… and someone just threw the match.
Sometimes understanding is the booby prize; like the guy who stood on the bow of the Titanic screaming, "I'm not getting off this ship until I find out why this happened!"
What scares me most about the Mumbai attacks is the following:
1. They are not over yet.
2. We don't know who did it.
3. At this level of sophistication I would expect the capacity for a "follow-on" in the near future. If the intent of the attack is to put the United States completely out of business it will have to do so quickly.
4. The United States still has enormous military power which might be viewed in some DoD circles now as "Use it or lose it." They too can see the writing on the Imperial wall.
5. The attackers have made no demands.
6. To even publicly breathe that it might be state-sponsored puts us (i.e. all mankind) a hair trigger away from nuclear conflict in any off our theaters tactically and on a MAD basis strategically.
7. The logistics and C3 (Command, Control and Communications) for this looks state-sponsored.
8. This is an absolutely brilliant and potentially fatal blow aimed precisely at the weakest spots we have mapped in "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" and at "From The Wilderness".
The fact that there are no convincing suspects as yet also points to a state-sponsor trying to disguise itself as a large terror group. That might explain why there are no demands... Demands identify the suspect.
I am being very careful right now. There are many intriguing threads and it is too early for any of us to rush to judgment. It took me two and half years and many tens of thousands of dollars in research and investigation to conclude and write that Richard Cheney had masterminded and executed 9-11 for the purpose of seizing Iraqi oil. My book has never been challenged or even acknowledged by the U.S. government; a government which spent millions on web sites and press releases to (rightfully) discredit all other 9-11 investigations. My book is in the Harvard Business School Library. It has a thousand footnotes. It has sold a lot of copies.
The analytic construct for Mumbai I have is this:
It is clear that the United States is imploding and that its economic, military and political influence are dying. As with all empires, it was the power of the state; whether economic, cultural, or military, which held the divergent parts together. In many cases enemies were bound next to enemies like two cats tied so tightly in a wet burlap sack that they could not move. But if the sack were to loosen, weaken…and expand? What if six wet cats were in the sack as it started to rend?
Our present, publicly-acknowledged cats include India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Now throw in Russia and Chechnya… Shake and stir.
Is it sinking in how dangerous this is?
Kanigo2
Quantum Scribe
Re: MUMBAI & COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
Are you just cutting and pasting now Peter?
This is Antwans take on it:
you know me and my sources kanigo , you know i know them all !!
I just heard from my sources that Mossad was behind this ,they paid the RAW in india millions of dollars that where sent to traning camps in pakistan ....they killed some of the madrassa leader so that , the kids who are brainwashed there would take revenge. This is a cycle that can not be broken , even teher is some CIA involvement in this .
No this was not some rouge ISI , i just spoke to my brigader friend in the ISI, this was not them and i belive him , they are investigateing this them selves and trying to give info to india's gov as best as they can .But he said that Suspicion of Pakistan's involvement run deep in the U.S.-backed government in india now because of reasons after the marriot bombing.
Pakistani intelligence is offering help to the indian goverment finding out what type of terrorist militia was behind this , they are now looking into many of the leaders and recruits that studied at a religious school in india since they think there is a connection there. I doubts Pakistan's intelligence service was behind the attack.
He also said that no one should doubt pakistans desire to see a stable nabour , and hoped that democracy is well established there fully in order to undertstand that pakistan wants to weaken the extremist and fundamentalist forces there .
He also said CIA is not sharing any info on this matter and have said that Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) will continue to “monitor†terror groups and that their attacks probably would continue in india. he said there is no changes in the attitude of the ISI to monitoring terror groups in india .
he said they are fully committed to continuing the CBMs (confidence building measures with indias intelligence ) and would like to further improve relations with them .
He also said that they are afraid pakistan is the next target after india ,he said first us , then them and then us again and then them , its a cycle that can not be broken for some reason .
well this is what intelligence i got so far ,ofcourse pakistan will deny it , but i dont think it was them ! .
they have suspects and are looking into them tonight !
they also think there are going to be more attacks in some wheeks either in pakistan or india .
antwan . Remember i said this in the other thread
and now you see
isi chief and forign minister who i know very well are in India .
And this is Kanigo2 response to Antwan:
I knew that Lt-General Ahmed Shuja Pasha was a plant.-Might want to look where his loyalties lie-and what portion of the country he came out from -is he just a politician type-Or American schooled?
He was appointed by Kayani-Both grew up in Rawalpindi.
Looks like he headed the:
Prior to his appointment as head of the ISI, Gen Pasha served for almost two-and-a-half years as Director General Military Operations (DGMO) based at the army's headquarters in Rawalpindi.
He is Infantry-Army based-then took control of the ISI-he may not be well liked-
There have been two major attacks on India since they placed him in charge.
I was more concerned with the aspect of the CIA causing problems to bring the two countries together in a "joint operation" and a "renewed sense of vigor and understanding"-to follow Obamas Kashmir Protocol.(Gives Kashmir to Pakistan, or at least a large portion of it.)
As far as China is concerned-all this is in their best interest.
Haven't you noticed the increased violence in country after country that surrounds China-just in the last 2 months?
Trust me , turn your eye to the cheap rat bastards and keep an eye on em-they have a MAJOR agenda here.
--------------------------------------->
If you can do it ,I can do it.
At least both of our ideas are original.
Are you just cutting and pasting now Peter?
This is Antwans take on it:
you know me and my sources kanigo , you know i know them all !!
I just heard from my sources that Mossad was behind this ,they paid the RAW in india millions of dollars that where sent to traning camps in pakistan ....they killed some of the madrassa leader so that , the kids who are brainwashed there would take revenge. This is a cycle that can not be broken , even teher is some CIA involvement in this .
No this was not some rouge ISI , i just spoke to my brigader friend in the ISI, this was not them and i belive him , they are investigateing this them selves and trying to give info to india's gov as best as they can .But he said that Suspicion of Pakistan's involvement run deep in the U.S.-backed government in india now because of reasons after the marriot bombing.
Pakistani intelligence is offering help to the indian goverment finding out what type of terrorist militia was behind this , they are now looking into many of the leaders and recruits that studied at a religious school in india since they think there is a connection there. I doubts Pakistan's intelligence service was behind the attack.
He also said that no one should doubt pakistans desire to see a stable nabour , and hoped that democracy is well established there fully in order to undertstand that pakistan wants to weaken the extremist and fundamentalist forces there .
He also said CIA is not sharing any info on this matter and have said that Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) will continue to “monitor†terror groups and that their attacks probably would continue in india. he said there is no changes in the attitude of the ISI to monitoring terror groups in india .
he said they are fully committed to continuing the CBMs (confidence building measures with indias intelligence ) and would like to further improve relations with them .
He also said that they are afraid pakistan is the next target after india ,he said first us , then them and then us again and then them , its a cycle that can not be broken for some reason .
well this is what intelligence i got so far ,ofcourse pakistan will deny it , but i dont think it was them ! .
they have suspects and are looking into them tonight !
they also think there are going to be more attacks in some wheeks either in pakistan or india .
antwan . Remember i said this in the other thread
and now you see
isi chief and forign minister who i know very well are in India .
And this is Kanigo2 response to Antwan:
I knew that Lt-General Ahmed Shuja Pasha was a plant.-Might want to look where his loyalties lie-and what portion of the country he came out from -is he just a politician type-Or American schooled?
He was appointed by Kayani-Both grew up in Rawalpindi.
Looks like he headed the:
Prior to his appointment as head of the ISI, Gen Pasha served for almost two-and-a-half years as Director General Military Operations (DGMO) based at the army's headquarters in Rawalpindi.
He is Infantry-Army based-then took control of the ISI-he may not be well liked-
There have been two major attacks on India since they placed him in charge.
I was more concerned with the aspect of the CIA causing problems to bring the two countries together in a "joint operation" and a "renewed sense of vigor and understanding"-to follow Obamas Kashmir Protocol.(Gives Kashmir to Pakistan, or at least a large portion of it.)
As far as China is concerned-all this is in their best interest.
Haven't you noticed the increased violence in country after country that surrounds China-just in the last 2 months?
Trust me , turn your eye to the cheap rat bastards and keep an eye on em-they have a MAJOR agenda here.
--------------------------------------->
If you can do it ,I can do it.
At least both of our ideas are original.
Packerbacker
Quantum Scribe
Re: This is what Economic Collapse looks like
Losing years in a coma, or sleep , like old Rip, is about the only reliable way of time traveling that I know of.
And, pursuant to other posts above: the Hindu religion has some nasty little cults, especially that of the goddess Kali.
While Osama bin Laden is no saint, the Muslim extremists are mainly violent religious fanatics. With this latest terror incident I feel--and it is just a feeling--that the door to real evil has been opened. And by real evil I mean Atlantean sorcery at its worst.
Have a nice day. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Losing years in a coma, or sleep , like old Rip, is about the only reliable way of time traveling that I know of.
And, pursuant to other posts above: the Hindu religion has some nasty little cults, especially that of the goddess Kali.
While Osama bin Laden is no saint, the Muslim extremists are mainly violent religious fanatics. With this latest terror incident I feel--and it is just a feeling--that the door to real evil has been opened. And by real evil I mean Atlantean sorcery at its worst.
Have a nice day. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Micheal_Apathy
Chrono Cadet
Re: MUMBAI & COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
from peter novak
What i don't understand about this comment is;
I know you're a liberal who voted for obama, and you still think this way. Does that mean that you voted for obama hoping that he'd bring about the collapse of the united states?
from peter novak
What i don't understand about this comment is;
I know you're a liberal who voted for obama, and you still think this way. Does that mean that you voted for obama hoping that he'd bring about the collapse of the united states?
Darby
Epochal Historian
Re: MUMBAI & COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
So let's see if I have this correct:
1. Michael Ruppert's article is foretelling the imminent collapse of civilization
2. Peter Novak is using Michael Ruppert's article as positive evidence to support his interpretation of Zeshua's missives.
3. Michael Ruppert is so convinced that civilization is about to collapse that he has to make sure that his intellectual property rights are clearly enforced.
WTF? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
4. After the collapse of civilization he's going to sue everyone who violated his copyright, especially, apparently, Gore Vidal.
hehehehehehehe
Or maybe (just maybe) Michael just wants to be the current Joseph Wambaugh (aka Det. Sgt. Joseph Wambaugh, LAPD, Ret.)
So let's see if I have this correct:
1. Michael Ruppert's article is foretelling the imminent collapse of civilization
2. Peter Novak is using Michael Ruppert's article as positive evidence to support his interpretation of Zeshua's missives.
3. Michael Ruppert is so convinced that civilization is about to collapse that he has to make sure that his intellectual property rights are clearly enforced.
WTF? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
4. After the collapse of civilization he's going to sue everyone who violated his copyright, especially, apparently, Gore Vidal.
hehehehehehehe
Or maybe (just maybe) Michael just wants to be the current Joseph Wambaugh (aka Det. Sgt. Joseph Wambaugh, LAPD, Ret.)
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: MUMBAI & COLLAPSE OF INDUSTRIALIZED CIVILIZATION
An even better question, Darby:
Where oh where was Peter's beloved Zeshua in predicting the scandalous stupidity of an Illinois governor and his downfall that we are now seeing today?
I mean, all of this kind of crap happens right there, literally, in Peter's backyard!
RMT
An even better question, Darby:
Where oh where was Peter's beloved Zeshua in predicting the scandalous stupidity of an Illinois governor and his downfall that we are now seeing today?
I mean, all of this kind of crap happens right there, literally, in Peter's backyard!
RMT
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
Zeshua wrote in April/May 2005 :
From today’s perspective, that prediction seems obvious, but at the time it was just a fervent wish. The Patriot Act was enacted in October 2001, and four years later when Zeshua turned up, it was still unchallenged in the courts.
From http://waronyou.com/2008/12/court-sides-with-aclu-strikes-down-patriot-act-gag-provision/
ACLU victorious as federal court declares Patriot Act provision a violation of the First Amendment
A federal appeals court ruling late Monday is the cause célèbre of the American Civil Liberties Union, as another provision of the Bush administration’s Patriot Act falls to the judicial system.
Until the ruling, recipients of so-called “national security letters†were legally forbidden from speaking out. The letters, usually a demand for documents, or a notice that private records had been searched by government authorities, were criticized as a cover-all for FBI abuses.
“The appeals court invalidated parts of the statute that wrongly placed the burden on NSL recipients to initiate judicial review of gag orders, holding that the government has the burden to go to court and justify silencing NSL recipients,†said the ACLU in a release. “The appeals court also invalidated parts of the statute that narrowly limited judicial review of the gag orders – provisions that required the courts to treat the government’s claims about the need for secrecy as conclusive and required the courts to defer entirely to the executive branch.â€
Because of the ruling, the government will now be forced to justify individual gag orders before a court, instead of casually wielding the power of a blanket gag as the Bush administration has done since the blindingly fast passage of the Patriot Act in Oct. 2001.
In Sept. 2007, a federal judge ruled unconstitutional provisions within the Patriot Act which allowed the government to obtain search warrants without probable cause.
From today’s perspective, that prediction seems obvious, but at the time it was just a fervent wish. The Patriot Act was enacted in October 2001, and four years later when Zeshua turned up, it was still unchallenged in the courts.
From http://waronyou.com/2008/12/court-sides-with-aclu-strikes-down-patriot-act-gag-provision/
ACLU victorious as federal court declares Patriot Act provision a violation of the First Amendment
A federal appeals court ruling late Monday is the cause célèbre of the American Civil Liberties Union, as another provision of the Bush administration’s Patriot Act falls to the judicial system.
Until the ruling, recipients of so-called “national security letters†were legally forbidden from speaking out. The letters, usually a demand for documents, or a notice that private records had been searched by government authorities, were criticized as a cover-all for FBI abuses.
“The appeals court invalidated parts of the statute that wrongly placed the burden on NSL recipients to initiate judicial review of gag orders, holding that the government has the burden to go to court and justify silencing NSL recipients,†said the ACLU in a release. “The appeals court also invalidated parts of the statute that narrowly limited judicial review of the gag orders – provisions that required the courts to treat the government’s claims about the need for secrecy as conclusive and required the courts to defer entirely to the executive branch.â€
Because of the ruling, the government will now be forced to justify individual gag orders before a court, instead of casually wielding the power of a blanket gag as the Bush administration has done since the blindingly fast passage of the Patriot Act in Oct. 2001.
In Sept. 2007, a federal judge ruled unconstitutional provisions within the Patriot Act which allowed the government to obtain search warrants without probable cause.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
So you are just going to ignore that I rose to your challenge, Peter? And in ignoring that I gave you the evidence you asked for, you are also not going to respond to my challenges and questions to you?
Typical.
RMT
Typical.
RMT
Micheal_Apathy
Chrono Cadet
the patriot act was already being challenged in court whenever zeshua made that prediction, i remember it vividly.
nothing zeshua predicted is slightly impressive
nothing zeshua predicted is slightly impressive
Darby
Epochal Historian
Michael,
You recall correctly.
Doe v. Ashcroft, 334 F. Supp. 2d 471 (S.D.N.Y. 2004 (aka Doe v. Gonzalez) was filed in court by the ACLU in April of 2004. It was just one of several cases filed in 2004.
Tough call for Zeshua on this prediction. I give it a 10 for degree of difficulty. She made a prediction about an event that happened over a year before. Like, a time traveler or something. Who'da thunk it that she could so deftly pull that rare rabbit from a hat. Friggin' amazin'.
Yikes...
Mike, what's really amazin' is the very case that Peter is citing to justify his silliness is...Doe v. Ashcroft aka Doe v. Gonzalez now known as Doe v. Mukasey!
Double yikes...
(Why do fish have this overwhelming desire to jump into the rain barrel when they hear shooting?)
You recall correctly.
Doe v. Ashcroft, 334 F. Supp. 2d 471 (S.D.N.Y. 2004 (aka Doe v. Gonzalez) was filed in court by the ACLU in April of 2004. It was just one of several cases filed in 2004.
Tough call for Zeshua on this prediction. I give it a 10 for degree of difficulty. She made a prediction about an event that happened over a year before. Like, a time traveler or something. Who'da thunk it that she could so deftly pull that rare rabbit from a hat. Friggin' amazin'.
Yikes...
Mike, what's really amazin' is the very case that Peter is citing to justify his silliness is...Doe v. Ashcroft aka Doe v. Gonzalez now known as Doe v. Mukasey!
Double yikes...
(Why do fish have this overwhelming desire to jump into the rain barrel when they hear shooting?)
Micheal_Apathy
Chrono Cadet
half the time i don't think peter even reads the stuff he cuts and pastes
Darby
Epochal Historian
Mike,
I agree. It's also a bit deeper than that though. Peter long ago predetermined the outcome of his Zeshua "research". (And this assumes that he isn't Zeshua, his sister isn't Zeshua or some other close associate isn't Zeshua and he's not playing an active role in the hoax). He then set out justify his conclusions by personally interpreting Zeshua's leg-pullers, attributing the interpretation to Zeshua and then mines data only for information that seems to fit the criteria of his predetermined outcome, ignoring anything to the contrary.
In the instant case he read the blurb on the Internet that cited Mukasey as a 2008 case, figured "that's good enough for government work" and posted it without doing any leg work.
Had be spent just three minutes he'd know that the "defendant" in all three cases is the US Attorney General. The last name of the defendant has changed from Ashcroft to Gonzalez and now to Mukasey as each became the new AG. But its all the same April 2004 case.
Remember: Peter writes and sells books. Just how successful he is I don't know. What are the chances that he'll write a book about Zeshua?
I agree. It's also a bit deeper than that though. Peter long ago predetermined the outcome of his Zeshua "research". (And this assumes that he isn't Zeshua, his sister isn't Zeshua or some other close associate isn't Zeshua and he's not playing an active role in the hoax). He then set out justify his conclusions by personally interpreting Zeshua's leg-pullers, attributing the interpretation to Zeshua and then mines data only for information that seems to fit the criteria of his predetermined outcome, ignoring anything to the contrary.
In the instant case he read the blurb on the Internet that cited Mukasey as a 2008 case, figured "that's good enough for government work" and posted it without doing any leg work.
Had be spent just three minutes he'd know that the "defendant" in all three cases is the US Attorney General. The last name of the defendant has changed from Ashcroft to Gonzalez and now to Mukasey as each became the new AG. But its all the same April 2004 case.
Remember: Peter writes and sells books. Just how successful he is I don't know. What are the chances that he'll write a book about Zeshua?
Micheal_Apathy
Chrono Cadet
so, that means that peter probably has some financial stake in the success of the zeshua story.
joelos1111
Chrono Cadet
Poor Peter he is so lame as well as Zeshua.I hope someday the same Zeshua admits his hoax and accept that he was only playing with our minds,oh Gosh is a shame.I feel so pity for both of them!!!!
Darby
Epochal Historian
Mike,
Potentially, yes. I really think that it's more a matter of ego. He has his personal view of the World Americana and wants a particular outcome - an outcome that's contrary to the better interest of the average American (and that is, obviously, my personal opinion). He'll sell books if there are books to be sold but he'll settle for an America that is in chaos. That's his desire.
Potentially, yes. I really think that it's more a matter of ego. He has his personal view of the World Americana and wants a particular outcome - an outcome that's contrary to the better interest of the average American (and that is, obviously, my personal opinion). He'll sell books if there are books to be sold but he'll settle for an America that is in chaos. That's his desire.