Help from (a) John Titor.What would John Titor do?

ProfessorFaustus

Chrono Cadet
I thought I'd use the collective imagination of those who populate this message board to help me with a couple of problems.

Scenario #1:
Let's say I go back to 1992. My younger self i.e. my temporal indigenous self is only in grade school then.
I arrive in 1992 with just (a) $10 in my pocket, (b) the clothes on my back, and (c) a 8-ft x 4-ft x 4-ft lockless (i.e. without a lock) storage cabinet which has all the stuff I brought back with me and want to keep and do not want any one else stealing the contents from me.
So there I am in downtown San Francisco 1992 with the aforementioned items, what do I do and how do I do it to establish myself until my temporal indigenous self comes of age?
(Sure, I have the horse-racing results for that week, but without a place to live and keep my storage box safe, I cannot travel to wherever to gamble on the horses.)


Questions:
1. How much harddrive space shall I need if I wanted to download all of Wikipedia?

2. Will using Windows XP and Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger" work in 1992 or on the Internet in 1995? Must I downgrade to Windows 1995/98 and Mac OS 9 or will Safari and Internet Explorer 7 still read 1995 web sites accurately?


Thank you in advance.


What would John Titor do?
 
Re: Help from (a) John Titor.What would John Titor

1 who knows

2 why would you need it to be xp compatible? just toss it on a laptop and plug it in, surley the outlet would work in 1992....

as for what would jt do well he'd take some photos of a cheap prop and crop and reduce the quality of them until it was hard to tell how crappy the prop was
 
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First, it would be nice to know so I know how many harddrives I need to purchase.
Having an easily searchable database of volumes of information (of the future from the past perspective) would be rather useful and good.

Second, I want to use my computers with the current operating systems installed in them now i.e. I have Windows XP and Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger".
Instead of having to downgrade to an eariler operating system and adjusting everything to work with the time, I hope to be able to use what I have without having to do any technical.

In the end, I want the easy way with advantage.
 
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heh okay well sounds like your plannin a trip into the past... so how do you plan on doing that? all macgyver needed to amaze the ancients was a book of matches heheh, and he travelled to the past by hitting his head really hard
 
methods

TYis is not the place for answering how I plan to travel.

I just want help in figuring out how and what I need to function with advantage while travelling.
 
Sheldon,

This is a time travel story. Why are you limiting your character, as you have, by having him lug a huge crate around?

Why can't your character travel to 1992 without the crate, establish himself by making however many round trips as are necessary and thereafter lug the crate to SF?

If your character goes to 1992 he'll have compatibility problems. That's the era of Win 3.1 - Win 3.11. Max ram is 640k, 16-bit, no long file names, etc. I have a feeling that he'll have problems. The CPU speed will also cause problems. He'll probably have to set up tthe laptop to dual boot WinXP and Win 3.11 and check with Twocows in 2006 for some help setting up Win 3.11. Do the Internet under Win 3.11 and use Win XP to access the Wiki database on the HD.

An interesting question, though. Maybe I'll set up my testbed PC to run Win 3.1 to see if there are any problems running it with 2005-2006 components. I don't have a copy of 3.11.

I think that you can load Win IE 5.01 with Win 3.11.

BTW: Why are you asking these questions in the context of John Titor?
 
answers & explanations

Why are you limiting your character, as you have, by having him lug a huge crate around?

Because that is what I have. There is no lock and I do not drive so upon arrival I am stuck with having to "lug" around my storage box of stuff.

Why can't your character travel to 1992 without the crate[?]

Because I want to bring with me some stuff from the future e.g. stock market records up through current departure date, my DVD collection, some of my CDs, old homework solutions, old exams, class assignment essays I wrote, my old lecture and reading notes, my Treo 650 (even without the phoe feature, it is still a cool gadget), you know, things of that sort.


. . . establish himself by making however many round trips as are necessary and thereafter lug the crate to SF?

Simply because once travelled into the Past, the Future is different from the Future that was once known. Borrowing from the best time travelling movie of all time, "Back to the Future II", going back into the Past changes what is and what will be no matter how minor. Wanting to avoid the long explanation, suffice I to claim that once in the Past, I can never return home again in the relative Future.


. . . Do the Internet under Win 3.11 and use Win XP to access the Wiki database on the HD.

So, in 1996 Windows XP would not work on the Internet? Is there something in the "protocols" of current Windows or something?
What about my Mac? It seems that I can still hop online even using the telephone connexion either in OS 9 or OS X.


BTW: Why are you asking these questions in the context of John Titor?

Because everyone still talks about him even when proven to be a hoax -- I make no apologies to those that still believe -- and the only discussion that happens revolves around John Titor, the on-coming second United States Civil War or the on-coming World War III or similar such Apocalypse.
If I ever hope to gain anyone's attention around here, I must trick them by including "John Titor" in the headline and in the body of the post so to be included in text searches just to seem relevant to everyone's mis-guided interests.
Despite that, for this very reason, their puerile imaginations can probably solve some of my problems.
 
Re: answers & explanations

Sheldon,

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BTW: Why are you asking these questions in the context of John Titor?


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Because everyone still talks about him even when proven to be a hoax -- I make no apologies to those that still believe -- and the only discussion that happens revolves around John Titor, the on-coming second United States Civil War or the on-coming World War III or similar such Apocalypse.
If I ever hope to gain anyone's attention around here, I must trick them by including "John Titor" in the headline and in the body of the post so to be included in text searches just to seem relevant to everyone's mis-guided interests.
Despite that, for this very reason, their puerile imaginations can probably solve some of my problems.

Well my friend - I'd like to continue helping you with your story. However I have a few problems with your tact - or lack thereof.

The first problem is that you continue to represent yourself as being arrogant and rude. There is absolutely no justification on your part to ridicule the members as haivng "childish" imaginations. You've done this in the past more than once.

Second there is no justification for chiding the members by stating that the only way that you can grab any attention is to dangle John Titor in front of them. You've had their attention for several weeks without any such reference. You had the same level of non-Titor attention two years ago.

Third, I suspect that you plan to use their ideas for your own aggrandizement in one form or another. You don't need to have an audience that is naive to your real plans.

So, if I'm to continue feeding you ideas the trade-off is that you let the community in on your scheme. Why are you asking these questions; why are you ridiculing the members; what is it that you really want from them? The real reason - not the "I'm yet another would-be time traveler" babble.

Please don't misinterpret this post. I'm not being argumentative. I'm making an honest statement of my impression of you based on reading your posts over the past two years. Its obvious that you have some hidden agenda and the community deserves to know what it is if they are to continue answering your questions.

And I would like to ask you a few questions: Two years ago, when you first registered, you were a member of a group of grad students - plus one "very smart" undergrad. Did any of those people register and post here?

We've seen several "Post and Run" members here over the past 5-6 weeks. Do you have any personal or professional relationship with those members? We're they a part of your 2004 group of students at UCLA? Have you used more than one handle on this forum? If so, what other name would we know you by?

Thank you
 
answers to distracting questions

I have a few problems with your tact - or lack thereof.

None of my postings require circumlocution (in other words, nothing that I have posted thus far requires any need for being coy, subtle or indirect). I wrote with the same clarity that others have with, perhaps, the occaional spelling and grammar errors. This not an English composition class afterall.

The first problem is that you continue to represent yourself as being arrogant and rude.

Arrogant, perhaps, but that may be a mis-impression that I give in displaying little tolerance or patience for those who know nothing about which they discuss. For example, there are those who talk about tensors but they demonstrate, at least in this public forum, a level of mathematical understanding that does not extend beyond grade school arithmetic.
I accept being call "arrogant" if I cannot dissuade and educate those who pretend to know that of which they are ignorant ("ignorant" in the literal, denotative meaning as in do not know).
A productive exchange requires that both parties gain something from the participation in the intercourse. If others are not willing to take time to study and deepen their understanding, then I cannot be at fault for failing to guide them toward what is correct and rational thinking. (Those last two words were a tad Ayn Randian.)

You can lead the proverbial horse to water but one cannot expect intelligent conversation, houyhnhms notwithstanding.


There is absolutely no justification on your part to ridicule the members as haivng "childish" imaginations. You've done this in the past more than once.
A previous post is the only time I have publicly expressed dissent about John Titor and in relation with those who still habour belief in the Titor hoax. Please, do not lie about me. If you are going to attempt correction or admonishment, first make certain you are correct and your claims are valid.
Second, my commentary on others having "childish" imaginations -- the exact word I used was "puerile" which connotes the untrained mind -- as mentioned above, others at least in this forum have demonstrated that very quality.
I "ridicule" those that still believe in the Titor hoax -- not those who have that "puerile" quality I sought. (Albeit the intersection of the two sets of people may be non-empty, that does imply I am "ridiculing" everyone. Please, do not mis-infer what I did not imply.


Second there is no justification for chiding the members by stating that the only way that you can grab any attention is to dangle John Titor in front of them. You've had their attention for several weeks without any such reference. You had the same level of non-Titor attention two years ago.
First, notice that the only current active discussions involve John Titor as the topic.
No one every replies and never bothers to read my posts.
But everyone currently loves talking about Titor. I do not want to ever talk aout Titor but that seems to be the only active discussion minus the occasional religious explorations.
Hey, fault me for attempting to employ a bit of marketing tactics to gain some attention.
Second, what happened years ago has little impact and of little help to what I seek now.



Third, I suspect that you plan to use their ideas for your own aggrandizement in one form or another. You don't need to have an audience that is naive to your real plans.

Believe what you wish, but I can do without the cynicism.



So, if I'm to continue feeding you ideas the trade-off is that you let the community in on your scheme. Why are you asking these questions

That much is be obvious.
Or have you, ignored my previous postings especially the one where I invite others to join me in a visit to a doctor of time travel. (Of course, let me be direct in my insult here so as to avoid mis-understanding, you did not read that posting. If you did, then I am curious as to why some one who is not interested in wanting to time travel visits and comments on this message board.
Please, tell me your interest in time travel if not to time travel yourself. Thank you in advance.


why are you ridiculing the members

I refer my honourable friend to the previous answer I gave.

what is it that you really want from them? The real reason - not the "I'm yet another would-be time traveler" babble.

I refer my honourable friend to the previous answer I gave.


Please don't misinterpret this post. . . . Its obvious that you have some hidden agenda and the community deserves to know what it is if they are to continue answering your questions.

First, evidently you have misinterpret what I have posted. Re-read carefully what I have posted recently (recently = say, what I posted in the last six months). Please, re-read all my posts, but the most relevant material are my current interests.
Second, as given in my previous answer, my objective is transparently clear. If you are attempting to be sceptical, then please join me here. Let us together train, practice, and confront what we are obviously aiming to do.


Two years ago, when you first registered, you were a member of a group of grad students - plus one "very smart" undergrad. Did any of those people register and post here?

No. In fact, none of my academic friends -- in fact no one I know in real life, including my sci-fi & fantasy fan friends, actually posts on any message board such as this.
Unless some one I know in real life is being dishonest with me, I know of no one in real life who posts or read here or any similar e.g AboveTopSecret message boards.
(I think every one else does the MySpace thing. As years ago, Friendster and Xanga were the web sites to visit frequently and where to post online.)
I think we, those of us who post on this and similar message boards may be outside the proverbial popular loop.
(Let me refer you to a posting I made in answer to a question asked if Titor was ever mentioned or discussed when I was at Berkeley.)


We've seen several "Post and Run" members here over the past 5-6 weeks. Do you have any personal or professional relationship with those members?

No. Now in a display of arrogance, I do not care whether you believe me or not. My postings, Live Journal entries, and those of whom know me personal are indications of my veracity.


We're they a part of your 2004 group of students at UCLA? Have you used more than one handle on this forum? If so, what other name would we know you by?

(These questions presume a different answer to the previous asked questions, thus I am unable to answer.)
 
Re: answers to distracting questions

What wold John Titor do?

GS says he would fabricate a feeble time travelling lie and then bugger off, leaving dimwits to discuss and further hoax upon his story, and eventually people would ask What would John Titor do?
Who cares anymore, his time predictions for events are starting to look like bullshit, never mind his story and technical explanation of time travel.

GS
 
Re: answers to distracting questions

Sheldon,

I did read your posts. And I read your reply to my last post on this thread. And I still don't understand why you are here.

You make it very obvious that you hold the community members in contempt. They don't measure up to your academic standards, they don't know what they're talking about, they are only able to produce 8th grade math - yet you stay.

What is it that motivates you to continue to post? What is it that the community has that you want from them?

It doesn't necessarily bother me that you're being arrogant.

But by your own assessment, you're shooting fish in a rain barrel. Why aren't you being arrogant on SPR, for instance, where there are people who might measure up to your academic standards? Surely you'd have more fun playing with Uncle Al or John Baez, wouldn't you?
 
Re: answers to distracting questions

Professor F, your IP 69.160.48.35 address is from California too. Perhaps the UCLA free internet library where two of the suspected "group Titor" players can stop on in and post? How typical that you feel you must include Johnny Boy or nobody will consider your posts. And why now have you brought it upon yourself to advertise for him? And dude its not the case that you would have to include Titor in your posts to catch attention around here, when Creedo does it on a whim.

But why not be ORIGINAL, to me Titors gett’n really old and agitating by now. Its like they keep play’n that same dam song on the radio, when I once liked it, but not no more. Its worn its welcome out.

And as to be expected, I see the Darbster (Titor group player) has added his Titor collaboration in as well. When are you going to learn, that taking different routes can get you lost in a bad neighborhood.
 
Re: answers to distracting questions

Sheldon,

In reply to:
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There is absolutely no justification on your part to ridicule the members as haivng "childish" imaginations. You've done this in the past more than once.


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A previous post is the only time I have publicly expressed dissent about John Titor and in relation with those who still habour belief in the Titor hoax. Please, do not lie about me. If you are going to attempt correction or admonishment, first make certain you are correct and your claims are valid.

Again, the same problem. My comment here was unrelated to anything "Titor". It was a more general statement concerning your posts over the entire two years. Until you started this thread with a reference to "Titor" I never related you to that story - I still don't.

You have your story and motivation that I accept as being unrelated to Titor. I also accept your reply that you felt that the only way to grab any attention is to toss his name, somehow, into the hat. But, as I said, you've had your fair share of attention without resorting to using that name.

The comment was fair and accurate. You have chosen to chide the members for their lack of knowledge, skill, experience and education in the topic at hand.

As I suggested, if you find the community lacking there is a forum where you will find a vast reservoir of skill that meets your requirements - SPR. Why haven't you attempted to use that forum (assuming that you haven't)?

BTW: You don't have to convince me that the Titor story was a hoax. I've known that since the beginning.
 
misguided rebuttals

My comment here was unrelated to anything "Titor". It was a more general statement concerning your posts over the entire two years.

To which I refer my honourable friend to the answers I previously gave.

Until you started this thread with a reference to "Titor" I never related you to that story - I still don't.

Uhu?

So is it because I make reference to Titor that you started reading and replying to my posts or is it because I make reference to Titor that you find objectionable?
If the former, then this exchange proves mine claim regarding attention grabbing.
If the latter, why bother mentioning him at all when all you needed to reply was something along the lines: 'do not mention Titor unless you are actually discussing Titor'. That is a direct and clear way of writing what you mean.

You have chosen to chide the members for their lack of knowledge, skill, experience and education in the topic at hand.

I refer my honourable friend to the answers I previously gave.
In addition, let me be direct with a deliberate "chiding" most here are nothing but yahoos who pretend at making horse-sense.

there is a forum where you will find a vast reservoir of skill that meets your requirements - SPR.

I never heard of this "SPR".
 
Re: answers to distracting questions

Scannell writes:
How typical that you feel you must include Johnny Boy or nobody will consider your posts.

Hmm... Your very posted reply proves my point.
I mean, you responded to "John Titor" instead of the true substance of my post(s).

(Ooh! I could not resist pointing out the obvious. Ouch! Irony: it hurts.)
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Re: answers to distracting questions

yea but if u had just made the post instead of name dropping, people would be talking about your initial questions, not the fact u mentioned someone completly irrelevant to your initial post.

which came first the chicken or the egg?
 
Re: misguided rebuttals

Sheldon,

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there is a forum where you will find a vast reservoir of skill that meets your requirements - SPR.


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I never heard of this "SPR".

Oh, for God's sake. You've come on like gang busters giving the impression that you are a PhD candidate thoroughly familiar with the physics of general relativity and the attendant math...yet you've never heard of SPR (and showed no sign of recognition of John Baez).

That's where general relativists hang out on UseNet...sci.physics.relativity, hosted by Cornell University, moderated by Dr. John Baez, UC Riverside Department of Mathematics.

Let's just close the conversation. I'm bored.

Thank you for your previous attention.
 
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