For Zeshua (and others to reply)

jmpet

Quantum Scribe
Zeshua posted this on 3/3/05:

>>So I ask you all, not that it is close to disregard or further away from the pasture, as it confines you, the degree of uncertainty surrounding your times. I ask you, what happens if the Pope Dies? 03/04/05.<<

Peter Novak suggested 3/4/05 means April 3, 2005 as in a month later. In America, 3/4/05 means March 4, 2005. But in Europe, 3/4/05 means "the third of April, 2005", which is exactly the date the Pope died. And since Zeshua later claimed to be in England (even though the IP address shows Texas), it makes sense.

HOWEVER... since Zeshua is England, she is 6 hours ahead of the eastern seaboard time zone. This means the above post was sent "six hours ahead of the timestamp on the website". Since it was posted at 8:24pm eastern seaboard time, this is 12:24am on the next day- 3/4/05.

So does 3/4/05 mean "the third of April, 2005" as Novak suggests or does it mean March 4, 2005 which in reality was the date those words were posted?
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The Pope died on April 3, 2005. A week later on April 11, 2005, Zeshua posted:

"I have stated previous, What Happens If the Pope Dies? Find out April 3rd 2005"

This is a verification by Zeshua that 3/4/05 means "the third of April, 2005" and not March 4, 2005- the actual date of the post. However- this was written a week after the Pope died- it's no longer a prediction as much as a clarification and verification of a prediction. In short, when Zeshua writes out a date, she does it the Europeian way, not the American way.

Looking over all of Zeshua's posts- the 3/4/05 incident was the only time ever that a date was written the Europeian way- every single other date was written the American way:

"[Shooting for 20 years .25>.24219, (4*.24219 is .96876~1)*4=3.87504~4 should put this at Feb 22nd 2005]" was posted on 2/22/05.

"You cannot just punch in Feb 22nd 2005 into a computer and have the tunnel know
exactly how to get there." was posted on 2/22/05

"In my time, it is currently February 25th 2025, although the response to your replies should appear almost instantaneous from our original post(s)." was posted on 2/22/05.

"It is currently 72 degrees on February 22nd 2025 and this is my now attempt #01.
[Shooting for 20 years .25>.24219, (4*.24219 is .96876~1)*4=3.87504~4 should put this at Feb 22nd 2005]" was posted on 2/25/05

So what gives? Does 3/4/05 mean "the third of April, 2005" as Zeshua claimed after the fact, or does it mean "March 4, 2005"- the real date of the posting?

This is where and why I disagree with Zeshua's claims- because this simply does not hold water. Predictions are just that: predictions. Predictions that come with clarifications after the fact are not predictions- this is more the realm of Rainman talk- predicting earthquakes, then when they don't happen as predicted, saying "there wasn't an earthquake because it's building up to a bigger one"- this does not make the prediction still true, it's double talk.

There was one more instance on the boards that had a prediction:

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On 3/1/03, Nitescott posted:

>>Hello Zesusha,
I have an Idea to test and prove as to whether you are for real or not. It is simple. Next Wednesday the 9th of March 2005 I will post a some random numbers on this forum. All you have to do is post those numbers before I do. Just copy and paste them onto this forum today, right now, right here.<<

This makes perfect sense. If Zeshua is in 2038, all of the posts on the board are ancient history for her, from her perspective. Zeshua simply has to go to the next page (a week later), copy those numbers, then paste them here before March 9, 2005.

On March 8, 2005- a day before the deadline, Zeshua posted:

Ev°N`¥C/œaRÜøL,Pßz $W ‡¸29¥©úÄ4ê;Y Û¾/œ óìRªÎÿZ¥·7±D¹7_þ–$O

)¢ Q¥·Î²sۆ žå™Q²sûîZS»zc…ñ³”¥»Ïƒ¾}92>‚Q0ìœ!¿y_Åë¢3*ó\ sκ+/äJøÛ—U˜‚I9ì"¡%3Ijäæ)O&p@X:ÐÜùk¨e[¸4Õ0£š©BÅ •æ„ý¬‡’‡E–C\2NÖ(eðý¬†vç”òp]î§øùUºªWÿ×y??é’û

²«yjQâüÒ¢KúIözÄ¥‘,?˜. c£ÕµƒësÎa~w>íÃáZÛ#‘Œ5Î#ÝXzWÄVåó¿!N~›Ã:4˜¯ 2캈Ïý§

ªóÃsÒ8 Ø>¾µâq&,RG¥Ê«¥ÈÀúÄ„?5•Ú2;½$"v
¢è­Ä—‚l¼¼*2uÝ«mƒ˜;ÁªQ/%¬q`©·¿!ñ€ê›~tGÂ¥º

Ÿ;,J/ôëó קT¡¥hßó`¯ î|sÝÐ5&›‘ª~Å“ ée[yY<Ž?γY‡DÃŽnÞ‡õ*"Mr°¨[ š†o1J¾ZÚLXÅž¤

And here are Nitescott's numbers- which were posted after Zeshua's:

569,521.7 883
617.4
73,254.2
833,265.2
791,711.2
438,064.0
132,782.086568247
257,134.121606631
9.1
732,651.2 28
0.0
674,896.9

Obviously those are not the same numbers- Zeshua's numbers aren't even numbers. What are they? As Zeshua writes:

"the solution has been altered, via b9.v2-(a)Encryption. I thought you would like to know, on a side note as it were, this answers your test but also proves that your test does not have a definitive answer. This solution works, but in no means is this a finite answer."

This is another instance where Zeshua offered an explanation instead of the correct answer. If we are to believe that Zeshua posted the right numbers but the computer automatically encrypted them, then shouldn't the computer encrypt all numbers, including 3/4/05? Furthermore, Nitescott posted random numbers, not a math problem. Zeshua replied "This solution works, but in no means is this a finite answer." Well it wasn't a math problem in the first place- it was random numbers.

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Finally, on 12/2/06 at 10:09 am, jmpet (me) posted:

"What would debunk everything I have just said here is if I post this message then moments later Zeshua replies- there would be no explanation for that. But of course the 'Federal timequake cops in 2026' are on the lookout for any unauthorized timequakes which naturally explains why she can't."

Sixteen minutes later, the elusive and rarely-posting Zeshua posted:

"Things are not always as they seem. Active Monitoring, Yes. Instantaneous Responses can be quite a bit more difficult to achieve."

This alone raises eyebrows. Then Zeshua, in typical form, adds the explanation:

"I've generally come within 15 minutes of the desired time at which I wish a post in Your Time to be received."

Well- is this proof or coincidence? 12/2/06 was a Saturday- most people are off on Saturday... few classes are on Saturday.

So which is it: did Zeshua read this post in 2026 and tunnel it back to 12/2/06 at 10:09am and the quantum tunneling made a 16 minute delay which resulted in what we see, or did Zeshua happen to see the post and immediately reply? Who knows. One thing I know is that the reply by Zeshua certainly took less than 16 minutes to type- it's only 3 sentinces long- one of the shortest posts from this poster.

Furthermore and for the third time, Zeshua's failure to reply in the fashion requested also comes with an explanation- first it was to clear up the 3/4/05 confusion after the fact, second was to say the numbers came through encrypted after the fact and now it's to say that the reason it was not instantaneous was because of a 15 minute time distortion window after the fact.

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So what the hell is my point?

If you're in 2026 and reading all of this, it's ancient history. If you have a way to send posts back in time and have them show up on these boards, you have total access to this website and its information, including things that have not been posted yet.

For all of this to be true, Zeshua has the ability to copy and paste at will- Zeshua has the ability to respond to questions posed to her instantly. If you asked Zeshua to solve an incredibly hard and time consuming math problem, Zeshua has the ability to instantly post it.

But we have not seen this. The only thing we have seen is 3/4/05 and that itself is simply hard to believe.

Now if you're from 2026, all you have to do is reply to posts and offer information instantly as proof- if I asked Zeshua to write a 10,000 word paper on whatever, Zeshua should have the ability to post it a minute (or sixteen minutes) after it's asked.

Looking at the whole of Zeshua's posts- apart from the first few, they are all posted in sequential order- as if someone was here in the present posting them. You ask Zeshua a question, wait a while, then the response comes- as expected.

But if you're posting from 2026, there is no delay- it's all equally in the past!

Finally- the kicker to all of this is that Zeshua is still here- Zeshua did not go away like John Titor. Why do we still talk about Titor? Because he's gone and all we can do is go back and reread old posts. Zeshua is still here- still connected by the quantum tunnel to 2026. This means Zeshua still has the ability to prove herself. So here is one last test for you Zeshua. I will post some musical lyrics here tomorrow. All you have to do is post them here before I do. From your 2026 perspective all you have to do is "go a few posts ahead" to where I posted them- an easy task, and I have already chosen which lyrics I will post tomorrow.

If you are from 2026, this will be an incredibly easy thing to do. You can do it now or a week from now or 5 years from now- just set the quantum tunnel to this date and post.

If you can't post it here publically because of a timequake, then PM or e-mail them to me- you have my email address. And don't worry- I assure you these lyrics will still be popular in 2026- it's a British band. And set your quantum tunnel to as close to this post as possible- 16 minutes from now, 8 minutes from now etc.

Good luck
 
Looking over all of Zeshua's posts- the 3/4/05 incident was the only time ever that a date was written the Europeian way- every single other date was written the American way:

In fact the 03/04/05 incident was the only time Zeshua ever posted any date in the XX/XX/XX format, so there is no precedent in her previous writings to help us determine if she uses the DD/MM/YY format or the MM/DD/YY format.

Nonetheless, she is reportedly posting from England, and the style there is indeed DD/MM/YY, and the DD/MM/YY does have meaning within the context she was writing, while the MM/DD/YY does not.

She posted 03/04/05 at the very end of her post on the 3rd of March 2005 (which in either format would have been 03/03/05, not 03/04/05). This is the only time she posted any date at the end of any of her posts, which suggests it carries some unique meaning or significance. Even if it is taken as MM/DD/YY, that would not be the date of her posting.

So we are forced to assume that this mysterious date she posted at the end of her post taking about the Pope's death is either : (A) referring to March 4th 2005 and thus a completely irrelevant and meaningless component of her post, or (B) referring to April 3rd 2005 and thus amazingly and supernaturally relevant and meaningful, and proof that her claims of knowing our future are true.

- Peter
 
>>(A) referring to March 4th 2005 and thus a completely irrelevant and meaningless component of her post.<<

Not quite meaningless. She wrote "3/4/2005" on March 4, 2005.
 
Since I feel I have shown that Zeshua is a fraud and you feel differently, perhaps you can present your argument that she is real.
 
She wrote "3/4/2005" on March 4, 2005.

No, she wrote it on March 3, 2005, at 8:24 PM, as shown at
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=31267&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Zeshua&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=31267&Search=true#Post31267

Shown below :

What Happens If?
03/03/05 08:24 PM
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My friends,

We are still in Real-Time, as a day passes for you, so
does it pass for myself. You and I are still locked
together as the events of the World unfold all around
you.

It has been said "Good things take time, Great things
happen all at once."
IT has also been told, as a curse, "May you Live in
Interesting Times."

No doubt there is no reason to believe. Whats more, no
reason to believe in me. Then again why should I believe
in you, my predecessors as it were. I am determined to
make a difference, it seems only small changes can be
made, but those changes can have a Large impact, the key
is time.

In your time, you no doubt feel it. You must feel the
world becoming unglued, frustrated, confused, things
going out of control. In 2005 we're in the middle of a
war and you all acted like nothing was the matter. Life
as normal. We, that is, You and I, must work together.
I believe the answer to the riddle of what can be said by
a time traveler, or someone with knowledge of future
events come to pass, has been solved by myself. I
believe I know exactly what can and cannot be told,
without altering the future to a degree that is, shall we
say, "Unacceptable".

The most important thing, which I must reveal now is,
that, above all, I must always sustain a degree of
disbelief. As long as some of you, as us humans do, will
always be IN disbelief, there are few but very definite
limits of what can be said.
So I ask you all, not that it is close to disregard or
further away from the pasture, as it confines you, the
degree of uncertainty surrounding your times. I ask you,

what happens if the Pope Dies?



03/04/05.
 
>>No, she wrote it on March 3, 2005, at 8:24 PM<<

Yes, agreed. But Zeshua is in England and whatever time shows up on the TTI site is +6 hours in England. So 8:24pm means 2:24am the next day, which is 3/4/2005.

So she wrote "3/4/2005" on March 4, 2005.
 
>> Yes, agreed. But Zeshua is in England and whatever time shows up
>> on the TTI site is +6 hours in England. So 8:24pm means 2:24am
>> the next day, which is 3/4/2005.
>>
>> So she wrote "3/4/2005" on March 4, 2005.

Ah, good point. Well done! That had slipped my attention. So then that does introduce an element of
uncertainty, doesn't it? Just as Zeshua promised. Nonetheless, that leaves two very unlikely
scenarios for us to choose from here :

The one and only time Zeshua ever posted a date at the end of one of her posts was in a post
talking about the Pope's death.

(A) Either it is merely an amazing coincidence that the date she posted then can be
legitimately read as April 3rd, the actual date of the Pope's death, or

(B) It is not a coincidence at all.

I suppose it shouldn't surprise me that Zeshua left a small window of uncertainty open with
this. After all, way back in April 2005 she emailed me about this very sort of thing,
declaring

>> Answers that require explanations you will find I tend to Skirt the Issue,
>> Straddling the divide to retain the element of disbelief. ...you would find
>> none of the others 100% convinced. Yet they would no doubt tell you stories
>> of strange occurrences, unprovable coincidences. It is unfortunate, however,
>> that is how it must remain for the time being.

- Peter
 
I am willing to say that Zeshua posted 3/4/2005 on March 4, 2005 with the notion that "3/4/2005" reversed is the date of the Pope's death... that Zeshua purposely posted on THAT DAY for that reason... because it can be (falsifiably) interpreted that way... because Zeshua knew and this was the clue.

However this brings us back to square one all over again: if this is the only proof Zeshua has to offer, then it's not much to go on, because once that door is open (and Zeshua from the future did it for that reason), we have to take into account her IP address and email address which both point to the USA and not England and the whole story falls apart again.

Now I know all about the "plausible deniability" angle, but we simply do not have enough solid information to warrant plausible deniability in the first place. If one of Zeshua's anagrams spelled out "Hillary the next prez" or something solid with a definite meaning, then the door would be open again- we'd just have to wait until 2008 to see if it's true or not. But they don't.

Personally I would like to see more from Zeshua- more solid information and less riddles- I already proved they are illogical:

If you have to write it in riddle form to prevent a timequake, and the information gets through and gets descrambled publically on this forum, then how is the timequake averted- it's not. So why the riddles in the first place?

Additionally, Zeshua's "not supplying information but excuses and explanations" leaves a bad taste in my mouth- if you're from the future and going through all these lengths just to communicate with the past, at the very least you're gonna make sure the message gets through.

On the other board I asked Zeshua to post some musical lyrics and she failed to do so. Well since Zeshua is in the future, she is still able to do it- she only has to point her quantum tunnel back to then and post... from her future perspective, she has the next 20 years to post something last week.
 
This is all pretty comical. Peter Novak speaking for Zeshua by proxy. Peter telling us what Zeshua meant to tell us. What I think it most comical seems to be a trait common to these yo-yos who want to believe in time travelers. They always buy-into negative futures. They look for negative futures in the "codes" that time travelers leave. In reading Mr. Novak's site it is apparant he is a fatalist as he constantly talks about just how "broken" our species is. Is it any wonder he can only look for negative futures in a would-be time traveler? In fact, as much as Peter is "interested" in translating Zeshua, I wouldn't put it past him that this is a ploy to drive traffic to his site, and perhaps even gain a few more book sales. "There's no such thing as bad publicity". Heh heh. Profit any way you can get it, huh Peter?
 
As humans, we inherently look at time in the negative because hindsight is 20/20 and when you look back at any evert, anywhere in your life, you always think "I could have done that differently". This is why we like time traveling stories- because they give us 20/20 foresight and who wouldn't want that?

I think Mr. Novak's problem is that he is adding information to Zeshua's which is the wrong way to go about it- predictions should stand on their own merit and if the prediction is intentionally made vague, the prediction was not a good one to begin with.

Again I point out Nostradamus but then again, he also mentioned "Hister" and "Nay Po Leon" and it's hard to debunk that.

As far as his driving traffic towards his site, I think (no offense) "Zeshua" also caught Mr. Novak's eye because "Zeshua" is "Jesus" in Aramatheian- Jesus' tongue. I have not seen him hawking any books and didn't even know he had a website until some other poster pointed it out.

Then again, far be it for me to declare other people's intentions.
 
This is all pretty comical. Peter Novak speaking for Zeshua by proxy. Peter telling us what
Zeshua meant to tell us.

If you think I speak for Zeshua, let me relieve you of that misperception. I have no more authority
to speak for her than you do. What I believe I have been doing, on the other hand, is merely
offering my own personal interpretation of her message. Everyone has an opinion, and I have chosen
to share mine here. If that is a sin in your eyes, so be it. The way I see it, a man can light a
candle, or he can curse the darkness.

And as for accusing me of using this forum as an opportunity to hawk my books and then saying you
are concerned about people who "can only look for negatives", then perhaps you should re-read Luke
6:41-42.

I should also add, in all honesty, that despite Zeshua's morbid message to us, I have been having a
blast trying to unravel her riddles and stuff. I have found it an interesting challenge, and quite
intriguing. I've never seen anything like it before. I don't really understand why more folks
don't find her as intriguing as I do. Perhaps most folks are just smarter than I am. Or perhaps
their revulsion to her message of death prevents them from facing it squarely. That, at least,
would make sense to me. But I have been staring death squarely in the face for over twenty years
now, and so may be a bit immune to that reaction.

In any case, seeming to predict the Pope's death date is not Zeshua's only correct prediction, but
is in fact just one of a good many that she's gotten right so far.

1. Zeshua correctly predicted a month in advance that Terri Shiavo and Pope John Paul II would both
soon die, one going right after the other.

2. Zeshua correctly predicted that Terri Sciavo's feeding tube would not be replaced.

3. Zeshua corrected predicted that the Terri Schiavo thing would not escalate to violence in the
streets, which at the time was a matter very much in doubt.

4. Zeshua correctly predicted a month in advance that Terri would go first and the Pope would follow
shortly.

5, Zeshua seemed to correctly predict the actual date of the Pope's death a full month in advance.

6. Zeshua correctly declared Ratzinger the winner of the Papal vote an hour before the result was
announced.

7. Zeshua correctly posted the name "Benedict16" an hour or so prior to the announcement of the new
Pope's chosen name.

8. Zeshua's correctly predicted in May 2005 that the next major event in the USA would be a crisis
that came from the sky (and then Hurricane Katrina arrived).

9. In 2005, Zeshua correctly predicted the coming of a new science that would constitute a
revolution at the atomic scale which would answer questions of a universal nature, and in 2006 just
such a new science was announced in the press. And within mere hours of the moment when that new
science was announced, Zeshua posted her own post with the same title the newspaper story had.

10. Zeshua has made at least one private prediction that came true for an individual, but I am not
at liberty to share the full details of that incident. Zeshua predicted that an individual would
have a very bad weekend, and as it happened, on the weekend in question one of that person's family
members died quite suddenly and unexpectedly. Perhaps the person involved, who does monitor this
discussion group from time to time, will share this story one day.

- Peter
 
10. Zeshua has made at least one private prediction that came true for an individual, but I am not
at liberty to share the full details of that incident. Zeshua predicted that an individual would
have a very bad weekend, and as it happened, on the weekend in question one of that person's family
members died quite suddenly and unexpectedly. Perhaps the person involved, who does monitor this
discussion group from time to time, will share this story one day.
That would be me. There's no way it could had been predicted, nor the effect that was felt in my family. I'm not going to expand any further than that as I would like to continue to enjoy my privacy here. If Pamela doesn't have to reveal the "secret song" I should not have to reveal how Zeshua predicted my family's weekend from hell


I don't wish for Zeshua to be the real deal. I hope she is a hoax. Our lives would all be better if she were.
 
If Zeshua is looking to ultimately be believed or not believed and the only way to convince someone is with specific one-on-one validation, then this puts Zeshua into the realm of religion.

To the outsiders, we don't get these fancy symbols (anagrams) and don't understand these miracles (specific, private predictions) and won't be convinced on the merit of them alone. To us outsiders, Zeshua (and her faithful) are a class of people who think and believe differently than we do and we will not agree, simply because it boils down to faith and us outsiders are not faithful- partly because the story does not hold water and partly because we have not gotten our specific proof (private miracle or affirmation).

This is like taking a Jew into a Mosque to prove that Judiasm is wrong and Islam is right- it just won't happen. Maybe if Mohammed came down and told the Jew they would believe but that's not going to happen because this boils down to faith.

My only question- in the larger context- for everyone here on this site is: what are the parameters to accept or refute a time traveler claim? If we allow anyone to come here and make any claim they want and accept "some will believe, most will not" as an explanation, are we moving forward or backward?

This is not an astral plane forum or a UFO forum or a spiritual forum- we're here to talk about time travel and "time travel" infers a device that allows one to travel time. If we side-step the science (or logic, or technology) behind time travel and instead listen to the message, how is this different than any religion? Couldn't this then be considered a "cult of believers" by definition?
 
"In any case, seeming to predict the Pope's death date is not Zeshua's only correct prediction, but is in fact just one of a good many that she's gotten right so far."

Now see you say this using the words "in fact". It is not fact. It is nothing more than your speculation, and your interpretation. Just like your anagram fun. For example, it is nowhere near a fact that Zeshua predicted a hurricane. Can you even find "hurricane" or even "Katrina" in any of her "anagrams"? (Heh... now I am sure you are off and you will find it somewhere!)
 
Het Timenot- you must have missed my post directed to you on this page. Here it is again:

>>Since I feel I have shown that Zeshua is a fraud and you feel differently, perhaps you can present your argument that she is real.<<
 
There is the other person who claim that personal message not me. I do not know so I just post and not really to anyone in particular. Either she is or she is not. I do not know.
 
Oh- so either your account is being hacked by someone without your knowledge, or you're just full of coprolite, right? Pretty convenient, isn't it? This way you never have to own up to your own posts, right /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I suggest you contact the moderator of this forum, because your indiscrimate postings on this forum make you look like a real jackass


EVERYONE ELSE: please ignore anything this poster has to say because they have no control over their own posts.
 
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