Final Warning from 2026 For All Humanity! URGENT!

Re: Final Warning from 2026 For All Humanity! URGE

another thing thats interesting is that peter ONLY posts right after zeshua posts. he must be a time traveler too to know when she posts. ;)

 
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I only read a ways into the zeshua stuff, wasn't that interesting.

I hate when people speak in code, all I hear is Blah blah blah.

Or like when peter wont take a breath, or even realize that the message isn't "getting across" to the reader.

Gotta consider your audience Peter. I'm just a florida fool. Talk to me like I have a 3rd grade education.

Makes me think how lucky we are to have him relay messages. :confused:

 
Re: Final Warning from 2026 For All Humanity! URGE

In February 2005, Zeshua showed up on the scene and predicted that by 2008-2009, the American dollar would go into freefall, the national debt would rise over $9 trillion, and the price of gasoline in the USA would rise to $4 or $5 per gallon. At the time, the dollar was strong and stable, the price of oil was about $40 a barrel, and her predictions seemed preposterous.

Today we wake to find this story in the news :

Oil near $143 on view dollar will keep fallingBy JOHN WILEN, AP Business WriterFri Jun 27, 4:53 PM ET

Oil futures climbed to a new record near $143 a barrel Friday as the dollar weakened against the euro, confirming expectations that the falling greenback, a major factor in crude's stratospheric rise, will extend its decline and add to oil's appeal.

Retail gas prices inched lower overnight, but are likely to resume their own trek into record territory now that oil futures have broken out of the trading range where they had been for nearly 3 weeks.

Light, sweet crude for August delivery rose as high as $142.99 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange before pulling back sharply in a spate of late-day profit-taking to settle up 57 cents at a record $140.21. On Thursday, the contract shot past $140 and rose more than $5 to a new settlement record.

The latest record came as the dollar fell against the euro in afternoon trading, having traded roughly unchanged for much of the day.

"The dollar was slightly stronger, and when it gave up its gains, that gave oil the green light," said James Cordier, president of Tampa, Fla.-based trading firms Liberty Trading Group and OptionSellers.com.

The market now believes the Federal Reserve is unlikely to raise interest rates in the near future; since higher rates tend to strengthen the dollar, traders are anticipating that it will continue to fall and, consequently, that investors will keep turning to commodities including oil as a hedge against inflation.

"Oil's back in favor, especially with people bailing out of the stock market," said Jim Ritterbusch, president of energy consultancy Ritterbusch and Associates in Galena, Ill.

The stock market's recent swoon is also sending investors in search of higher-yielding investments. On Thursday, the Dow Jones industrial average fell nearly 360 points, and in afternoon trading Friday was down more than 100 points.

"When money has nowhere to go, it is parked in commodities as it is one of the few investment instruments that actually rises the more money you pour into it," said Oliver Jakob, an analyst at Petromatrix Gmbh, in Switzerland in a note.

With oil over $140 a barrel, traders are now expecting to see $145 and even $150, analysts say.

At the pump, meanwhile, gas prices slipped 0.1 cent overnight to a national average of $4.066 a gallon, according to a survey of stations by AAA, the Oil Price Information Service and Wright Express. Gas prices have fallen slightly from their June 16 record of $4.08 a gallon, but will likely resume their record breaking rise if oil futures keep trending higher.

That seems likely. Oil has more than doubled in the past year due to the dollar's decline, but also because of rising global demand, particularly in fast-growing economies such as China and India. Supply outages in the Middle East and Nigeria have also contributed, as has falling production in Mexico.

The sharp increase in oil prices has driven a similar rise in fuel prices. Gas prices are $1.09 higher than a year ago, and diesel prices were up $1.85 over the past year at a national average of $4.763 a gallon on Friday. Diesel is used to fuel most industrial vehicles, trucks, trains and ships, and its increase is a large part of the reason food and consumer goods prices are rising, putting additional pressure on consumers already paying $4 and more for gas. Diesel prices peaked at $4.797, also on June 16, but are likely to push past that record if oil futures keep rising.

In other Nymex trading Friday, July gasoline futures fell 1.01 cents to settle at $3.5012 a gallon after earlier rising to a trading record of $3.585. July heating oil futures rose 2.32 cents to settle at $3.9066 a gallon. August natural gas futures fell 5 cents to settle at $13.198 per 1,000 cubic feet.

In London, Brent crude futures rose 48 cents to settle at $140.31 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange.
 
Re: Final Warning from 2026 For All Humanity! URGE

"...and her predictions seemed preposterous."

i think you need to go back and read the thread.

 
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Umm .. RMT It is a no-no to cut and paste AP reports anymore.

Oil near $143 on view dollar will keep fallingBy JOHN WILEN, AP Business WriterFri Jun 27, 4:53 PM ET
They are charging money and suing -
http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/ap-thatll-be-250-a-word-for-copy-paste-thanks/

$2.50 a word.

They haven't resolved who they are serving with papers yet, mostly blogs, but searching is easy maybe Peter would like to cool his heels.

AP HAS NOT DECIDED the full scope of what they plan to do.

What "I" quoted is $12.50!!!!! and that's just a reply!(they just quote the reference and mail the bill directly to Raul)

Here is a price list from the AP, ---- http://license.icopyright.net/user/offer.act?gid=4&sid=28&tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id%3DD90VCFA01&urs=VIEW_CONTENT&urt=5129862

They are specifically targeting people who are using the AP references to build a case or manufacture a story, Like Peter is doing.

Might wanna put the clamps on him. :devil:

 
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They are specifically targeting people who are using the AP references to build a case or manufacture a story, Like Peter is doing.
indeed:
AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories


By Tim Conneally, BetaNews



June 17, 2008, 3:19 PM


 


The AP's disharmony with bloggers may have only just begun, as the alternative it's now offering to being served with takedown notices involves paying an up-front sum for excerpting online articles -- as few as five words.


 


A meeting between the Associated Press' Vice President for Strategic Planning Jim Kennedy and Robert Cox, who heads the Media Bloggers Association, is now planned for Thursday of this week. The subject at hand is the AP's attempt to find a new way of sharing AP content, which now involves a fee per excerpt based on its word length.


 


On the heels of a blogosphere revolt last week because of its harsh actions against social news site The Drudge Retort, the AP regrouped over the weekend to take a less litigative -- but more bureaucratic -- approach to dealing with those who wish to quote its material.


 


Where the group had previously invoked the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and sent cease-and-desist orders to at least one blogger, seeking the removal of excerpted content (in some cases as few as 17 words in length), now the press service has attached an "Excerpt for Web Use" charge for passages as short as five words in length.


read more:

Beta News

and

Don`t link AP stories:Mods...

:mad:

 
Re: Webbots better than Zeshua was:Final Warning

i want to prove that Webbots are better than Zeshua

this text is for:

Cliff on Jeff Rense July 21, 2008, there are many predictions here, we will see what happend in the next weeks...

This is a summary of Jeff Rense's interview with Cliff High. The entire interview was about 90 minutes long including breaks, so it took me a while to go through everything and pull out the salient points.

 


As usual, the interview began with a brief explanation of how the webbots do their thing. He mentioned that China is also now doing similar date mining.


 


There was additional information about the new phenomenon of meemering, i.e. deliberate attempts by what Jeff calls the "controllers" (the PTB) to influence emotional reactions in the masses by capitalizing on traumatic events as well as sowing "seeds" to create anxiety. Cliff knows who is doing the meemering, and he and Igor have developed a way to screen out these fractal patterns. He doesn't know the intent, but suspects that it has to do with priming people for planned future events, or possibly population and/or mind control, i.e. to create a passive, compliant population. Cliff said that these patterns are easily identifiable and have been picked up for about a year now. These are artificial language shifts intended to magnify emotional days (he gave the example of the Virginia Tech shootings) with the goal of altering society's mood. (my thought here–remember how frantic everyone was about terrorists immediately after 9/11 and the PTB rammed thru all sorts of legislation and programs. See Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine–a Must Read!!)


 


Next Jeff brought up the topic of the lastest ALTA run. Cliff explained that there are basically three timeframes for the data: Immediacy looking at between the next 3 days to 3 weeks; Short Term looking at from 3 weeks to 3 months out; and Long Term which looks at 3 months plus but is usually pretty fuzzy once you pass 19 months out. Cliff stated that the most accurate data is at the beginning of each time frame. He also explained the George (Ure) Postulate in that the longer the webbots have been picking up a meme, the more intense it usually is.


 


One of the themes the ALTA runs have been picking up has been regarding flooding. Cliff said that 2009 will be the year of the floods like 2008 has been the year of the winds (record tornados, etc.). They are getting language like "people camping/BBQing on their rooftops" and "walls of mud." The flooding will begin this winter, be persistent (non-temporary), and could be climate related. He said they have been seeing this flooding theme for at least 2 years, and by comparison, the tsunami at Banda Aceh only showed up about 10 months before the event.


 


Jeff then asked if Cliff knew about the Finger of God rock thingy on the Canary Islands and how some scientists were postulating that if that thing fell, it could send a 1000 foot tidal wave all the way across the Atlantic. Cliff pretty much shot down that notion, citing that geo features on the sea floor wouldn't allow one that big to be sustained over that distance. He also stated that just a 3 foot rise world wide would have devastating effects and the ALTA images seemed to trend more toward this type of event than one big devastating disaster. Since the emotional markers would be the same, the webbots wouldn't be able to tell the difference.


 


Cliff explained that the webbots tend to pick up on the language that will be used to describe an event AFTER it has happened. (my note: after the recent Chinese earthquake, there was a lot of attention paid to wedding photos that were being taken just before the quake. The photographer caught some powerful images, especially of the old church facade falling down. The 'bots had timed the quake in conjunction to a famous wedding, and it happened within 24 hours of Jenna Bush getting married. The location of the quake in China was *opposite* that of Crawford, TX).


 


The topic then turned to the events surrounding October 7 of this year. Cliff said they chose the time of 7:10 am UTC (Greenwich Mean Time for us old folks) arbitrarily, but it was actually within a window when an event will occur that will have world-wide ramifications. We have been in a long, slow period of tension building, and this event will shift the entire planet over into release language. He said they have known about this for about a year, and it will be bad. A number of different scenarios could play out, but part of it could be financial. He said that after they picked that date–based on the webbots own version of a lunar calendar–they found out that Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) will be the next day, October 8. The financial crashes of 1929 and 1987 also happened on a Yom Kippur, which is also set by a lunar calendar.


 


The really bad news is that the initial event will be followed by five months of dysfunction. It's looking like it could be 30% economic , 30% military, and 30% "terra intrudes." Cliff said that if we were lucky, the economic part would ONLY be the total collapse of the dollar and/or the shut down of global commerce. Jeff asked about the military aspect, and Cliff said that they don't know what will be the precipitating factor. The terra aspect is reflected in the expectation of a big quake December 10-12, as well as "early winter flooding" and "exceptionally strange climate." All of these will contribute to the five months of people running around not knowing what to do and has the effect of keeping the release language going.


 


Jeff asked if the release language was emotionally chaotic/intense, or more like a slow steady drip. Cliff gave the example of trying to walk down a steep sand dune, and you wind up running full tilt just to stay upright. May fall, or may be able to stay upright. In other words, what may happens is a series of events that keeps escalating in pace. He said there is definitely a military component, but can't say how it will contribute. There are several postulates, one being that the PTB will hold the market together and keep the mood buoyant for the next couple of months. But they won't be able to sustain it, and by around October 7, the facade will crack suddenly and it will come crashing down. Cliff said that a horrific market crash would fit the parameters they are getting around the language for the event. The crash could actually occur earlier, but people may still be talking about it in heated terms in early October.


 


If we're not lucky, it will be an Israeli military event that's been showing up as the "Zionist Mistake." This is showing up as an Israeli air attack on Iran. Eight months BEFORE anyone was talking about Israel going in on their own, the webbots were picking up language related to this. The reason it's being called a mistake is that something unexpected will happen that will affect large swathes of Asia, possibly as far away as China and Japan. Iran is expected to retaliate in any way they can, but that's not the focus of the webbots. Cliff suggested that it may be a hidden biohazard, nuclear materials not where the Israeli's thought, etc. that would affect nations beyond the immediate area. That entire sector of the world will be none too happy with Israel over their faux pas. Jeff even went so far as to suggest the accidental bombing of one of the US nuke ships.


 


Jeff then asked if any data suggested the winner of the US election, and Cliff said they don't go there nor do they mess with celebrities. However, he did say that the events in October will have an impact on the election to the extent that people be exasperated, will call for early elections since there will only be one way for the vote to go and they "might as well get it over with." And not in a happy way but rather under duress. (my note: this really scares me as the first thing I think about is Obama getting assassinated or disabled, and it's too late for the Dems to field another candidate. I also don't like how McCain has stated that he "expects to be the underdog until five hours before the Pennsylvania polls close and then he'll come from behind and win." Oh, really? How can he call it that close? Been talking to Miss Cloe or Karl Rove?)


 


Cliff goes on to say that whatever the Zionist Mistake turns out to be, it may not necessarily affect humans directly. He gave the example of Israel dropping a limited nuke bunker buster that hits an oil layer and contaminates the oil. Since all the MidEast oil fields are interconnected, this could wipe out being able to use any oil from that region. China gets a lot of their oil from there, and would be royally ticked off.


 


2009 and 2010 are going to be worse. Cliff said the chatter about 2012 has gotten so bad that they will have to screen that out, too. (my note: I would liken this to people freaking out about Y2K–remember that?) Projecting a very cold winter for 2009, food lines, schools and govt buildings closed and then later re-opened as shelters of last resort. Jeff talked about how those who are holding food prices are instead cutting portions in packaging. Jeff speculated about how that might help the obesity epidemic, but Cliff disabused him of the notion that fat people eat more. Cliff brought up how this was not such a problem before the introduction of High Fructose Corn Syrup, and that it was not from fruit at all but a grain extract. Both he and Jeff advocated reading labels carefully, and Cliff explained how efforts to pollute the food supply began in the 1880's. They also discussed the decimation of the middle class and how we are now trending toward a two-class system.


 


However, Cliff said that their projections don't see the PTB getting that far. There will be a global insurrection "of absolutely epic proportions" and a radicalization that would make "Che Guevarra proud." It will make the coming five months from October 2008 on like a set of warm up exercises. This will be planet-wide, really get rolling in 2010 and will last nine years. There will be a breakdown in central control and a return to tribalism, which will ultimately save us. Cliff said they have hints of why and how this will happen but aren't saying anything right now.


 


Jeff talked about how people are self-segregating to begin with; Cliff said they refer to the tribes as SOC–Self Organizing Collectives. Members could be people scattered around who finally meet up to be together (like a lot of forum groups). Cliff recommended getting yourself in top physical shape to prepare for the coming changes.


 
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Some "milestones"

2008




Summer


 


*Tensions build in cities, encounters scarcity (.e.g.



food/fuel) are about


 


*The populace of the US impacted by a condition



like post traumatic stress – about the best we can



wrap our heads around it, it will be something



like 'time shocked' or 'time stunned'


 


*Just as you wrap you head around one big



change, another will come along bigger and



harder to absorb


 

 


September 2008


 


*Mood of the population improves: People



have a renewed sense of optimism that the



corporate/elite can and will be replaced in the



elections and the 'us against them' grows


 


*Possibility that elections will be held early, but



it could just be language around that meme


 

 


October 2008


 


*Global emotional release event begins –



largely economic.


 


*Think of the US economy as a lit fuse that is lit



over the early part of 2008


 


*In late 2008 the rest of the world's currencies



are 'touched off' by the dollar and US decline.


 


*May be a global replay of what the 1932 bond



crash in the Great Depression was.


 

 

 


Balance of 2008


 


*Bad gets worse


 


*Highest payoff hedges for most people today will likely



be



– Debt reductions



– Getting in shape



– Having modest stores of food/clothing



– Agile mindset to adapt/cope with any change



– Fallback and backup plans – like relatives in another



city/state – that kind of thing.



– Learning to think independently and get a vision of the



future before it arrives so you can move ahead of crowds



and thus maintain your freedom of action


 

 

 

 




2009

2009 Global Coastal Event

 


*The bigger things are in modelspace, the more lead time



we get


 


*Collapse of the dollar has been in modelspace for 2 ½ years



or so. Even longer has been Global Coastal event.


 


*Global Coast Event likely in early to mid 2009


 


*Permanent loss of low lying territory globally but one



continent in particular get hit badly. We don't know which



one, but we hope it's like a Greenland or some not heavily



populated area. (*working on this now, but it's at the limit



of our software)


 


*Places to avoid: anything at sea level (Bangladesh/Florida/



etc)


 
Re: Final Warning from 2026 For All Humanity! URGE

Ahem, Peter...

Were you thinking we forgot about this?

She seems to have to jump thru some challenging hoops in order to provide us the information she wishes us to have, as if the crack in the laws of physics that she is using to achieve this communication is very small, and imposes unique demands on her communication techniques. As a case in point, at one point she had me solve a complex riddle based on a few obscure clues. The solution to the riddle turned out to be the Portuguese flag, of all things. She said that there was a story associated with the flag, and wanted me to know something about that story but couldn't tell me directly. Now, she and I sent emails back and forth over this riddle for some time, and she was always very prompt and responsive to all my questions. But that all changed when I finally figured out the solution to the riddle, and reported my conclusion to her that she was referring to the Battle of Ourique on July 25, 1139 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_flag ), and that the whole reason for this exercise was for her to draw my attention to the date on July 25th. As soon as I sent that email, her participation in our discussion about this exercise suddenly stopped, and she has not mentioned it again, just as if she had accomplished her intended goal, but also the weird rules of her time travel communication prevented her from overtly confirming it. Anyway, this is all just another bunch of unsubstantiated hypothesis on my part, as readers of the Zeshua chronicles have no doubt come to expect from me by now. But I wanted to get this documented online in advance just in case something Zeshua-significant does happen on July 25th.
That's gotta be at least strike 3, or 4, or... ? So is the "tactic" for you to post as many "creative interpretations" of Zeshua as you can think up, and then when you get one right to scream "Zeshua prophecy fulfilled?". Yes, I think that is it. I know you won't confirm it, but that is certainly what you are doing.
What I want to know is... how much is "Zeshua" paying you to act as her PR mouthpiece? ;)

RMT

 
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I feel fairly comfortable concluding that her words 'At some point in 2008, a date which I cannot state, but have hinted at' is a direct reference to the July 25th date.So, well, there it is. Today is June 24, 2008, so we have a month and a day to find out if this is correct or not.

- Peter
Well I know that I was in "Aw" of July 25th. It was "Aw man, X-Files 2 is pretty dismal." From the box-office results so far all of America seems to agree.
So Peter-Zeshua got this one right. ;)

 
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Two rather interesting things happened then: Congress started semi-impeachment hearings against Bush, and NASA Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell publicly claimed that aliens and UFOs are real.

I can't tell that either are Zeshua-related, but as far as news days go, it was bigger than most.

Still, a miss, I'd say.

- Peter

 
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You're equating this:

In a single moment the Majority of Americans will all be in awe at one defining moment for the year of 2008.
with this:

Congress started semi-impeachment hearings against Bush, and NASA Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell publicly claimed that aliens and UFOs are real.
by saying:

far as news days go, it was bigger than most
:confused:

 
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The False Flag: Alien Invasion...LOL

by the Book!!!

Dr. Carol Rosin the former spokesperson for the late Wernher Von Braun an ex-Nazi who played an instrumental role in the NASA space program, says a false flag alien attack is a distinct possibility. In fact Von Braun told her shortly before his death that the first threat would be communism, than terrorism, than giant killer asteroids and finally space aliens. The only thing is that all of these threats would be lies and used as an excuse to consolidate power and militarize space. Von Braun passed away in 1977, so it is interesting to see that these predictions so far have been correct. Of course, communism and terrorism were and have already been used as the so called threats and there's little doubt that the threat of a giant asteroid crashing into earth or the threat of space aliens invading would further accelerate the world towards the militarization of space and a one world government.

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It's interesting that "a warning from the future" would be directed to the 10% of the world that would be supposedly bringing their own demise as the 90% that do not enjoy resource consumption on this scale wouldn't care as they already live in what we perceive the warning is agaisnt - standards of living and conditions, if not the prospect of death.

I do not believe of "warnings from the future";

however;

I do belive in warnings of the past.

IE; Justinian II (hint it has to with "give them one (blank) and make it (blank) or (blank).

Prior to this is an interesting fact of history, and the physiological conditioning of the masses that changed.

 
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Time travel from the future or even information from the future can't be less successful at prediting future events than normal human speculation if it's true. That doesn't even make logical sense. Inability to clearly state events that will happen is a side effect, not of time travel, but of hoaxing or an attempt to create a cult movement.

All of these mouthpieces for mysterious time travellers are just the modern version of the old priests who would scuttle into the back room of a temple to talk to god... Catch is the back room was just an empty store room. There was and is no superhuman force to tell us what will happen and what to do. There is no proof of it, there is no need for it and there is no evidence it even has a place in the universe.

Information "leaking" from what we think of as the future- maybe. But a human(oid) time traveller bothering to stage manage events- AND DOING IT VIA AN INTERNET FORUM- is ludicrous. It isn't even accurate enough to be wrong, as a paradigm of how to travel in time and communicate what you know.

 
Re: Final Warning from 2026 For All Humanity! URGE

Time travel from the future or even information from the future can't be less successful at prediting future events than normal human speculation if it's true. That doesn't even make logical sense. Inability to clearly state events that will happen is a side effect, not of time travel, but of hoaxing or an attempt to create a cult movement.All of these mouthpieces for mysterious time travellers are just the modern version of the old priests who would scuttle into the back room of a temple to talk to god... Catch is the back room was just an empty store room. There was and is no superhuman force to tell us what will happen and what to do. There is no proof of it, there is no need for it and there is no evidence it even has a place in the universe.

Information "leaking" from what we think of as the future- maybe. But a human(oid) time traveller bothering to stage manage events- AND DOING IT VIA AN INTERNET FORUM- is ludicrous. It isn't even accurate enough to be wrong, as a paradigm of how to travel in time and communicate what you know.
Oh, well then you haven't even read the "best part" of the Zeshua hoax. You see, in Zeshua's story being wrong about predicting the future is actually a good thing! The (lame) explanation goes that Zeshua has to maintain a "critical mass of disbelief" that she is really from the future. Because, you see, the future could be in danger if too many people actually believe she is real! :confused: So where, in Titor's case, he had to resort to "I don't really care if anyone believes me or not", Zeshua has ratcheted-up the rhetoric to set it up that even by being "wrong", she is still "right".
But that doesn't stop Peter from trying to "fit" his interpretations of Zeshua's (alleged) predictions wherever he can! :)

RMT

 
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Oh. My. God.

I didn't catch that little gem. Wrong or right doesn't matter. Next stop: Jonestown.

Have we struggled to keep books from being burnt for centuries to throw it all away now? Is the end result of the Windows / Simpsons / illiterate generation... THIS?

Unbelievable. If wrong then right, if right then right. Unbelievable.

 
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Have we struggled to keep books from being burnt for centuries to throw it all away now? Is the end result of the Windows / Simpsons / illiterate generation... THIS?Unbelievable. If wrong then right, if right then right. Unbelievable.
I am with you. This kind of idiocy and ignorance is all over the internet. From an innovation like the WWW that makes the world smaller, information easier to access, and therefore it SHOULD make people smarter, this kind of tripe causes ingorant people to stare and drool at their screens like vegetables.
I have been saving the greatest paradox about the Titor story that dooms it from being any form of truth. I have hinted at it a few times, but most of the "true believers" did not catch on, nor did they appear to think a bit more deeply about what I was saying to get to that "a ha" moment. Someday I will spell it out in simpleton terms...but perhaps not until 2015. For by that time what I will say in explaining it will be totally irrefutable.

Seeing as how you have correctly diagnosed the nonsense going on behind the scenes at ATS, I wonder if you have ever stopped in to Reality Uncovered? We are a pretty critical-thinking group over there and the owners/MODs do not put up with BS stories and claims that come without evidence.

RMT

 
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