Disbelief caused time travellers go away?

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deaftime

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I am a new member.

I saw some threads and seems there is lots of disbelief when time travellers are here to say that they are real and most of you argue that there is disbelief.

Then you says where are they?

Perhaps you all scared them running away? threats and disbelief caused them hiding or secret?

What do you think?
 
Perhaps you all scared them running away?
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LOL ! This sounds remarkably like that favourite excuse used by 'psychics'....that those mean and nasty sceptics send out 'negative vibes' and the spirits wont come to play.

I think the much more likely reason that hoaxers....sorry, time travellers.....are not so much around is that increasingly people are not so gullible as they used to be, and there's a lot more emphasis on 'proof' and some form of testing.

The days when anyone could just pop in and announce ' Hey - I'm a time traveller'....and a bunch of people would all go ' Oh wow ! What's it like in 2036 ?'.....are pretty much over.
 
Perhaps you all scared them running away? threats and disbelief caused them hiding or secret?
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It would seem that any potential claimant would take the time to read through several threads BEFORE making any time travel claims. That way they would know what to expect.

Hard to believe a traveler through time would be so easily run off by the natives 'round these parts.

Plus any time traveler has an advantage with knowing what any member had to say, and has the opportunity to change they're postings to avoid any down right nasty replies.

Ever see the movie, Next ?
 
Perhaps you all scared them running away? threats and disbelief caused them hiding or secret?
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Why would a real time traveler run away and hide in secret just because they faced disbelief? That theory makes it appear that the sole purpose of time travel is to go into the past, appear on an Internet alt-sci message board and make claims of time travel in the hope that someone will Believe.

Time travel, real time travel, will not be discovered by a garage tinkerer. It will take the combined research of hundreds of scientists, millions of researcher-hours, billions of dollars in R&D and at least several decades, if not several centuries. With the purpose of going onto alt-sci message boards to make vague claims, play words games, get pissed off and disappear in mock fear?

See, I have this bridge in Brooklyn and it's for sale today only to one well qualified buyer and you just might be that buyer...
 
I think the much more likely reason that hoaxers....sorry, time travellers.....are not so much around is that increasingly people are not so gullible as they used to be, and there's a lot more emphasis on 'proof' and some form of testing.
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People are as gullible as ever. Politics (both sides of the fence) and religion prove this. And many people demanding proof don't have proper lab experience in order to really identify or qualify proof if it was present. And the whole thing about "belief" is seldom important anyway. Save that for the religious nuts.
 
Time travel, real time travel, will not be discovered by a garage tinkerer. It will take the combined research of hundreds of scientists, millions of researcher-hours, billions of dollars in R&D and at least several decades, if not several centuries. With the purpose of going onto alt-sci message boards to make vague claims, play words games, get pissed off and disappear in mock fear?
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And a tinkerer will never invent the phonograph or telephone or light bulb either. You're thinking too much in terms of the late 20th century. Never discount the power of a lone eccentric genius obsessed with a single dream. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
The main reason why a lone tinkerer will not devise time travel is the huuuuge energy required to make it work.

OK so Tessla managed to consume large amounts of energy in his labs, but really we are talking entire orders of magnitude above that. Not the sort of energy one will get from a wall socket in the garage.

For all Titor's claims of some suitcase sized time travel device......even the energy required to create his alleged ' mini black holes ' requires a place like CERN or some such billion dollar lab.
 
If the world discover this time travellor is real, the consequences could be a big threat, where many people in the world not through to accept this concept and caused lots of fear, making worse. If people on this thread still blame for disbelief, more likely to ask for evidence etc... if one thing is weird or more likely to be untrue or not discovered as evidence - if it is really small thing then everyone will reject totally and said it is a total disbelief.

It does not mean that the allegiation is lie, perhaps there is concept where we have lack of knowledge or they could not advise through the technology or knowledge is too high for us to understand?
 
The main reason why a lone tinkerer will not devise time travel is the huuuuge energy required to make it work.

OK so Tessla managed to consume large amounts of energy in his labs, but really we are talking entire orders of magnitude above that. Not the sort of energy one will get from a wall socket in the garage.

For all Titor's claims of some suitcase sized time travel device......even the energy required to create his alleged ' mini black holes ' requires a place like CERN or some such billion dollar lab.
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This is only if you assume that a hundred year old theory known as relativity is the end of time travel science. It is not. You only assume it requires huge amounts of energy because of the very abstract approximation of which you're currently aware. There are theories which encapsulate all of your current science and describe an easier way to time travel.
 
And a tinkerer will never invent the phonograph or telephone or light bulb either. You're thinking too much in terms of the late 20th century. Never discount the power of a lone eccentric genius obsessed with a single dream.
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There's a huge difference between Edison and inventing time travel. Edison didn't discover the base physics underlying his inventions. The base science was already in place via Maxwell and Croc among many others. Edison was an engineer (technically he was a "practical engineer"). He found a use for the base scientific theories already in place.

That's not the case with time travel. First there really isn't any base scientific theory in place. There are a host of general but unproved theories based on a multitude of solutions to general relativity indicating the possibility of time travel. But no one has the vaguest clue about how to put the theories into practice. The reason is that no one has ever completely solved Einstein's equations for general relativity, not even Einstein himself.

Unlike Edison, who experimented at random on dozens of items to come up with a light bulb, there's nothing to randomly experiment with when it comes to solving general relativity because the solution, at its deepest level, involves quantum mechanics. Experimenting at random on a dataset that is itself randomness personified is definitely not the course to take. The universe won't be around long enough for all those monkeys and typewriters to hammer out a spacetime geometry that satisfies the requirements for time travel.
 
there's nothing to randomly experiment with when it comes to solving general relativity because the solution, at its deepest level, involves quantum mechanics.
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And here I thought relativity & QM were incompatible in their current state. What was I thinking.
 
And here I thought relativity & QM were incompatible in their current state. What was I thinking.
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Which is why I stated that no one has the vaguest clue as to how to completely solve Einstein's equations for general relativity. We know that both GR and QM are correct, at least to an approximation. But they are incompatible because GR is a theory of gravity and QM cannot fit gravity into its equations consistent with GR. Neither theory can derive the other.
 
Which is why I stated that no one has the vaguest clue as to how to completely solve Einstein's equations for general relativity.
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Relativity isn't the way to go for time travel. It can work, theoretically. But it's like flying a plane with ion wind. The real answer lies in a more delicate solution from which can be derived all your modern proven theories.
 
Yes, I know that's vague and proves nothing. And you'd love me to share the theories if I have them. Well let's just wait and see. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Yes, I know that's vague and proves nothing. And you'd love me to share the theories if I have them. Well let's just wait and see.
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When you're ready just fill in the blanks below:

Internet TIme Travel Theory #10,752:

Abstract:

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Just the abstract. If it's interesting enough then...

go on to the theory itself where the shortcomings of GR is completely addressed, where the new theory departs from GR, where the new theory derives what is already known to be true from GR, where it extends GR...etc.

I've got plenty of time. Take a day or a year. Take longer is you like.
 
This is only if you assume that a hundred year old theory known as relativity is the end of time travel science. It is not. You only assume it requires huge amounts of energy because of the very abstract approximation of which you're currently aware. There are theories which encapsulate all of your current science and describe an easier way to time travel.
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I very much doubt it. Einstein's E=MC^2 is sooo basic and fundamental that it is highly unlikely that something is going to replace that.

Now the point with that equation is it doesn't just link matter and energy ( i.e a little matter has a whacking great amount of energy )......but it also links energy and time. The speed of light IS effectively the 'speed of time'. That is precisely why relativistic time dilation occurs.

The formulae of relativity imply that movement across time requires energy ( and a lot of it ) i just the same way as movement in space does.

It is inconceivable that some guy is ever going to just plug a time machine into the garage wall socket.......and with a frew lousy Watts at 150 Volts somehow travel back in time 100 years.
 
Which is why I stated that no one has the vaguest clue as to how to completely solve Einstein's equations for general relativity. We know that both GR and QM are correct, at least to an approximation. But they are incompatible because GR is a theory of gravity and QM cannot fit gravity into its equations consistent with GR. Neither theory can derive the other.
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Scientists will likely have to untangle all the 'symmetry breaking' that went on within the first few seconds of the universe. 'Incompatible' is not really the right word. One is not trying to morph one into the other, but instead find a higher level symmetry that incorporates both.
 
And that's why you will not discover it.
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The ball is squarely in your court. Cover the bet and post the abstract. In the abstract at least mention the objective reasoning behind why SR/GR is wrong.

If you can't do that much then the "theory" is classified, by definition, as crackpot. Surely you've done a thorough study of SR/GR, fully understand the meaning an implications behind the two complimentary theories and can explain where you depart from them.
 
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