Come on How Can You Believe Titor?

JohnTitorisFake

Temporal Novice
Okay My main argument is at the bottom of the page. But I'd thought I first talk about a one of Titor's "claims" that makes no sense what so ever. Keep in mind the quote below is the main thing people are talking about. Yet its the main thing that Will Not Happen. Atleast in the way he describes it.

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.
Hmm really? I already feel that way now because people are willing to believe everything they see on the internet. Funny the only place that this story appeared or is talked about is on the INTERNET. And everybody knows that if its on the internet...it MUST be true. The Civil War has not started yet by the way. Sure people hate the president but people hate every president. Sure there a big problems that many people can relate to a civil war but fact of the matter is there is always a problem and there will always be a problem. Starting from 2004 its been 21 months and we are yet to see 1 Waco type event. Its hurricane season and hurricanes happen every year this year tis just been worse then others. So please dont say that counts as a Waco type event. When you say cosume everybody in 2012 and end in 2015 are you saying that the civil war actually takes place in the year 2012? Well thats what his post means. He said the civil war ENDs when Russia bombs us in 2015. Yet he has three storys. It begins in 2004, 2008 and 2012. This guy must love the #4 because it appears that the civil war takes place EVERY four years. I guess he couldn't make up his mind. If he would have said that a Civil War takes place in the year 2030 I bet people would have still believed it.

As far as the last Olympics in 2004, the Winter Olympics are next Fedbruary and they are still going with it. Now I know people can say well what if it gets bombed. Or what if the U.S.IF there ever is a civil war dont expect us to have huge battles. Expect us to be just like Iraq. With suicide bombings left and right. It would likely be Rich vs. Poor(ural vs. urban) whatever you want to call it. However if it does happen it wont be for another 20 years or so. Also I can predict a war with China over Gas. The United States uses 5 times as much gas(PER PERSON) then China does. If China ever wants to use the same ammount(having 5 times our population)do you have any idea how much Gas will be used each day? The fact is people think Gas is unlimited. Puh! Gas is limited folks and we are already almost at the peak. Only thing now is for the Gas resource to drop over the next decade or two and then thats it. We are out of Gas. John Titor NEVER gave a reason like this for a world war. So I guess he claims we have PLENTY of Gas and no feuds with China in the future. Hmmm okay.

Last but not least, if you were a time travler. Why in the hell would you come online and say you were. What difference would it make? Your going to leave eventually and what you said to us wouldn't matter. If everything he said was true then it would still happen regardless of what he said. If he were to go back to 9/11 and warn everyone that planes would crash into tours then the planes would still crash. Its obvious that John Titor was just some guy who wanted to have some fun. Infact I can bet that hes probably STILL reading about his name around the net and laughing his ass off because he scared everybody. And honestly how hard were his predictions? Even I could predict a death of the pope and say "100,000 people will be dead tomorrow" Well duh! Tomorrow is every second after the present. Eventually the death toll adds up. However we get something like a big hurricane and people are saying this has to be it. When really 100,000 people already died in the Tsuanmi. Oh and we've been in space, Russia's been in space..................wow now China! I never expected that one.

Face the facts. John Titor is a hoax. What makes a hoax? Well first its the prank, the person who did the prank and then the 50 people who believe it.

Keep in mind im a 16 year old kid and I'm SMART enough not to believe any of this.
 
Before the titor-defenders jump on JohnTitorisFake please remember what it's like to have an anti-titor folks jump down your throat.

Let people post their opinions. They have that right. You may not agree with it. That's OK. We don't all have to agree.

If my post is not as lucid as normal I've been up half the night tracking rita.

Thanks for your post, JohnTitorisFake. All opinions are welcome here.
 
Well, if you are 16 years old, then you should perhaps be studying a bit more.

Making statements like this:

I already feel that way now because people are willing to believe everything they see on the internet. Funny the only place that this story appeared or is talked about is on the INTERNET. And everybody knows that if its on the internet...it MUST be true.


Assumes too much and is actually wrong!
Now, if you can not control your emotions like other people, then how do you think that still other people may respond -- in the future?

Your way!
That is not according to the U.S.Constitution, which you should be learning in school about now!

But as it were, perhaps a little more thinking is needed by you and others, because no one would know if Titor were real or not, until the early 2030's!

So, goodbye!
 
I was being sarcastic. Fake news storys appear on the internet at all times. Instead of sitting around worrying if Titor is real or not(which some of you have been doing since it started) go out and dont worry about. Fact is I know for a fact that Titor is not real. His claims dont add up and dont make sense. The point of a hoax is to scare and worry people which is exactly what Titor is doing.

<font color="black"> For the record I'm a time travler. In the year 2007 Gas prices will shoot up rapidly. [/COLOR]

Titor made predictions like that which any human on the planet can make.

Another reason why Titor is fake is because he couldn't give exact dates. He only gave us the years to worry us. He said he couldn't give dates because then we can prevent things from happening. WHY WOULD HE CARE? IF HE WAS GOING BACK TO HIS WORLD LINE ANYWAYS.

His claims make no sense and dont say he gave detail because he does not.

What is the entertainment industry like in 2036?
(51) Again, entertainment is less centralized. There are "movies" and "TV" but everything is distributed over the net and more people produce their own "shows".

Um yea nothing new. Its been that way for years and of course its going to continue. Anybody could have predicted that.

Is there public transportation in 2036?
(59) A high-speed train system connects the larger cities. Roads are still used for cars and many people ride horses and bikes.
Of course because within 30 years Gas will pretty much be extinct. Its a limited resource and as we speak we are slipping and declining. Again anybody could have predicted this.

If you're telling the truth, the last thing you should be doing is talking about the war and the government.
(27) Have you considered that your society might be better off if half of you were dead?
Hmmm in 30 years... I dont the population will increase. So this makes no sence. Ug! Of course it would be better if the half the world was gone. More room for housing, crop growing, ect. Easier to get jobs! Yeah not really a prediction. More of a fact.

2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.
People have known for yuears way before 2000 that its wrong to do so. However people do it anyways. More of advice then a prediction.

Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.
Iceing on the cake to really scare the crap out of people.

No, Jesus did not come back. At least not that I'm aware of. If or when Jesus returns, do you think he'll be a lamb or a lion?
He never left! I'm Catholic and I dont refer to God by his human name.. I refer to him as God! God has never left the earth. So of course he never "came back". Honestly if somebody were to stand up and say I'm Jesus would you believe live?

45. There is another Pope but I do not know his name.
This coming from a guy who questions what Jesus will come back as. I think someone that religous would know the popes name.

John talks about a civil war being started between the Democrats and Republicans. Later, this escalates into WW3 and he mentions that it is a good thing for us.
Yeah I can predict this too. After all it happened between the Federalist and Republicans.

Can I contact you through any other means?

I've tried talking online before and found it quite enjoyable but I find the questions and comments come so rapidly it's hard to keep up.
I believe the guy meant something other then online. Hence "any other means". John seemed to avoid the question. hmmm.

Have you met your parents here? What do they think of you?
Yes. I am with them now. I would say it's a combination of fear and relief
The bombshell that SHOULD make you believe that it is all fake. If a strnager came to your door and said I'm your kid in the futrue would you let them in? If hes staying with his parents why havn't they been contacted.

Is John Titor your real name?
Yes, John Titor is a real name.
Gasp I thought somebody said it wasn't his real name. This relates back to the above! Why hasn't little John Titor been found?

So as you see these are just SOME of the claims that are are not true, can be predicted by anybody or just dont add up.
 
Whoever Titor was he was at least entertaining. At least to me.

Exactly, and it's something to talk about. As I've said before, BS stories don't bother me, as long as they are 1) at least semi-believeable, and 2) last longer than a few minutes. The story of Titor is both, and it is, at the very least, entertaining.
 
It's not 2004, John Titor corrected himself to 2005. He still has time, and who said that the Civil War could start without the public knowing it?

2008 is when people start realizing there is a really horrible Civil War going on, not when it starts... wow, you need to learn to read.

2012 is when the Civil War starts affecting everyone in the country in dramatic ways.

February is a long time away... The hurricanes might affect the Olympics; we'll have to wait to find out.

You also didn't link the effect of gas to the Civil War... And I don't get what you're talking about when you say that "since John didn't mention gas, he basically said we would have plenty of it!" Flawed logic...

What does China have to do with us? You never stated a reason. Also, same thing as above. You just assumed that "since John didn't mention China, he basically said we won't have any problems with them!" Flawed logic once again...

About your comment about John not mattering: If he didn't matter, why are we still talking about him? You don't think that if his predictions came true, more people would believe him and try to prevent the apocalyptic future? That's just ridiculous.

Keep in mind im a 16 year old kid and I'm SMART enough not to believe any of this.

Haha... that's funny. :D

I'm thinking that even anti-Titorites will think negatively of you for representing them with such posts.
 
So your admiting that american citizens are dumb enough not to think a civil war is going on? Point of the matter is John Titor was not a time travler. Its so sad that some of you actually waste your lives worrying about it. Less then 50 people believe this story. If it had an credibility it would be on the news and everywhere else. The goverment probably laughs at the story of John Titor. Sure its entertaining at the start. But its old. ALOT of you are actling like you WANT all this happen.

Titor correct himself. He must have done that alot because after reading that thread after he "corrected" himself he said 2004 again.

Also if there ever is a civil war dont expect there to be battles and soilders. Expect us to be just like Iraq. Sudicide Bomings, Robbing, Innocent Killings. Oh wait we are already like that. Oh wait we were ALREADY like that before Titor. Yeah doesn't take a man from the future to predict a "civil war" in the united states either.

If the man playing "Titor" was legit he would give more information. But he didnt? Want to know why? Not because hes real but because he wants people to ASK questions. Just like your all doing now.

Heres a few more thing he said that ANYBODY could predict.

One last question, how did Texas fare during the war?
Texas is still there but Spanish is a lot more popular.
Being by the border I honestly dont see how thats possible. :D

Why don't you accept my challenge? What harm could it do?
I'm not sure what "challenge" you are referring to. If you mean the live radio chat, I have no problem with that. I do that quite often on other boards. However, I fear I have very few bread and circuses left and I fear I am becoming quite boring.

I guess he was afraid that we'd find his IP and realize that hes not where he claims to be.

If you speak to me anymore, I will probably discredit your claims of being a time traveler.
I do not seek credit for anything. The most I hope for (for the most part) is to be at least interesting and engaging.
Admiting right there he is a fraud. He admited hes trying to be interesting. The reason who ever played him hasn't come out yet is cuz his story is still "interesting".

But come on like a total of 30 people believe this story.

I'd like you to name ONE reason why I should believe this. And dont give me one of his predictions that anybody can predict! He gave no details what so ever! If I where to register a new screen name and say I'm from the future would you believe me? It appears people believe the guy claiming to be from 2200... oh okay.
 
It's not 2004, John Titor corrected himself to 2005.
No, actually you have that backward. He first said 2004, then in a later post typed 2005. When someone called him on the two years, he corrected himself back to 2004, inferring that he typoed 2005.

And I know the next thing you will say is "give me proof". Here you are:

02/12/01 23:51 (about the future) 375
((8. John says the civil war which starts in 2004 or 2005 (depending on the post) leads to the world war which starts in 2015. ( So we have a TEN YEAR civil war???))
It?s 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant ? we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict. The first U.S. civil war lasted 4 years and the English civil war lasted 6. How long is too long?

From the following page:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/john_titor_archive_page9.html

But I'm willing to wait until the end of 2005, if you're willing to admit he was bogus come New Years Day!

RMT
 
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Is there public transportation in 2036?
(59) A high-speed train system connects the larger cities. Roads are still used for cars and many people ride horses and bikes.


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Of course because within 30 years Gas will pretty much be extinct. Its a limited resource and as we speak we are slipping and declining. Again anybody could have predicted this.

Umm... No. Before 9/11, gas was pretty abundant; enough to last us about 50 years. Let's see... 2001 + 50 = More than 2036!

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If you're telling the truth, the last thing you should be doing is talking about the war and the government.
(27) Have you considered that your society might be better off if half of you were dead?



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Hmmm in 30 years... I dont the population will increase. So this makes no sence. Ug! Of course it would be better if the half the world was gone. More room for housing, crop growing, ect. Easier to get jobs! Yeah not really a prediction. More of a fact.

If you meant "I don't think the population will increase" and do not believe in Titor, you are logically flawed because we are at an exponential population growth. If you meant "I think the population will increase, so this makes no sense," you are not taking into account that John Titor said there would be wars that would amount to at least three billion deaths.

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No, Jesus did not come back. At least not that I'm aware of. If or when Jesus returns, do you think he'll be a lamb or a lion?



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He never left! I'm Catholic and I dont refer to God by his human name.. I refer to him as God! God has never left the earth. So of course he never "came back". Honestly if somebody were to stand up and say I'm Jesus would you believe live?

Not everyone is Catholic. I think it's kind of an obvious fact. But as you say, God never left Earth, but Jesus did. And yes, "God" (not His human form) can't "come back" because He's already here, but Jesus can, since He isn't. Also, it will be very obvious when Jesus comes back since the true Christian population will disappear and many a catastrophe will take place. So if John says He didn't come back, He probably didn't. (It would be common knowledge.)

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45. There is another Pope but I do not know his name.


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This coming from a guy who questions what Jesus will come back as. I think someone that religous would know the popes name.

He is a gnostic Christian, not Catholic. There are even some Catholics right now who do not know the Pope's name. Myself, I'm Protestant, and the only name that I know of the Pope is his last name, Ratzinger (I think). If John's not Catholic, most likely, he's Protestant. Protestants don't believe in the same things that Catholics do; why do you expect him to know something he shouldn't?

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John talks about a civil war being started between the Democrats and Republicans. Later, this escalates into WW3 and he mentions that it is a good thing for us.



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Yeah I can predict this too. After all it happened between the Federalist and Republicans.

He never mentioned that a Civil War would be started between the Democrats and Republicans. He said it started with the cities vs. the countryside. John never said that the Civil War would escalate "into" World War 3. He only said that it would start after the Civil War. He never said it would be good for us. Give me proof that what you refer to is correct. You have no proof.

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Can I contact you through any other means?

I've tried talking online before and found it quite enjoyable but I find the questions and comments come so rapidly it's hard to keep up.



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I believe the guy meant something other then online. Hence "any other means". John seemed to avoid the question. hmmm.

John's comment is about his experience in a chat room. Also, he did not avoid the question; the question was asking if John could be contacted through something other than a message board, which can still be online. He stated before that he would not give out his personal information for obvious reasons. Would you give out your address to a complete stranger who may hate you?

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Have you met your parents here? What do they think of you?
Yes. I am with them now. I would say it's a combination of fear and relief



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The bombshell that SHOULD make you believe that it is all fake. If a strnager came to your door and said I'm your kid in the futrue would you let them in? If hes staying with his parents why havn't they been contacted.

If you had a license, passport, birth certificate, and information that only family member would know, I think that your parents would know it was you. John didn't let the public know his address, phone number, etc. so why do you expect them to be contacted? How do you contact someone you can't contact?

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Is John Titor your real name?
Yes, John Titor is a real name.



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Gasp I thought somebody said it wasn't his real name. This relates back to the above! Why hasn't little John Titor been found?

So as you see these are just SOME of the claims that are are not true, can be predicted by anybody or just dont add up.

John didn't say that. John wouldn't say that either. Whoever said that has no proof and I don't know where they got that crazy idea from.
 
why do you expect him to know something he shouldn't?
Ummmmm, well maybe because he was trying to pass himself off as a historian... one who specialized in our time! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif Some historian that does not remember "the last pope"!

And yet, he would argue with Darby about physics! And he sure did possess a pretty decent understanding of modern physics for a guy who was just a historian. If you ask me, just from reading all of his posts, he showed a greater knowledge of the details of physics than he did even some of the more significant points in our history.

More reasons to doubt his words...
RMT
 
Robbing and innocent killing is a way of life. You'll find it just about everywhere in the world. And about the suicide bombers, I don't know of that many before John Titor. (Maybe like 1-2.)

Also, why do you expect the war to not have any soldiers? That's just ridiculous. Like... really ridiculous. All wars have soldiers, whether it be physical soldiers (which all physical wars have) and psychological soldiers (which all psychological wars have).

About the battles comment... lol. Wars are basically groups of battles: no battles, no war.

Titor gave us a lot of information. Pages and pages of information. His information was based on the questions that we asked.

The Texas thing... someone asked, so he answered, even if it was obvious. I also don't get if that border thing was a joke or a serious comment. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

IP address can deduct personal information. He mentioned that he didn't want to give out personal information.

If you want to be interesting, does that mean that you're a fake? No, it doesn't. It's as simple as that.

Flawed logic all around...
 
No those days are over for single U.S battles. If theres a civil war in the United States not even Bush would allow it. So therefor there wouldn't be really two differents U.S armys fighting. The civil war would be just like whats going on in Iraq now. Get what I'm saying?

Also I have doubt it would be the rich who does the bombings. The poor are likely to be the ones.
As racist as it sounds when I mean poor vs. rich I basicaly mean black vs. white. Now I have many black friends who are wealthy but the sad truth is for every wealthy black theres 1,000 poor ones. Now of course other poorer races would join in with them. Like the Hispanics and poor whites.

But if theres a Civil War in the United States thats how it would more then likely be.
 
His answer was about the 2036 Pope, not about our Pope, if that is really what he specialized in.
Prove it. I think that's BS, and I want to know how you "interpret" that out of the actual words he wrote.

RMT
 
He is a gnostic Christian, not Catholic.
Wrong. For a guy who takes on a handle like "Knowledge" you sure do have a problem with researching facts:

Titor: November 7, 2000:
"I am a Christian Agnostic"
And when you look up the definition of "agnostic" it really tells you quite a bit about "John Titor", and I don't just mean from a religious perspective!


I could provide more evidence of where you stray from the facts of Titor's posts and inject your own interpretations.... but why should I?

RMT
 
Actually I beleive he was "trained" in 1975 history, not 2005.
Nope. You're reading into words again:

John Titor - Feb 10,2001:
"My background is in history and I had the correct profile to accomplish my given task in 1975."

and

"I have a basic home schooling education (k-12) and a bachelor's degree in history."

John Titor - Feb 19,2001:
"Q:Do you plan to do any more time traveling when you return to 2036?
A:I don't know if I will be chosen for another mission. If I do, most likely, I will fly as an advisor or historical consultant.
John Titor - Feb 19,2001:
"Q:Did you have a historical consultant to help you?
A:No, fairly easy job."

Fairly easy job, except he couldn't remember the last Pope's name, he got his years for the civil war confused (or just a typo), among several other pieces of history that he just couldn't manage.

I can find more for you MEM, but I think I have made my point.
RMT
 
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