CERN Faster than light speed clocked
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ruthless
Rift Surfer
heres a quick rundown:
The Neutrinos were three kids from Dimension X: Dask, Kala, and Zak. They accidentally transported from Krang and Shredder's teleporter to Earth where they soon after became friends with the Turtles.
Krang however mentioned that the Neutrinos aren't highly thought of in their homeworld. This is later revealed that it is on account that Dimension X is a place of total war and Krang has enslaved many inhabitants of Dimension X. Krang forced people to fight and die for him, which the Neutrinos wanted no part of. Kala cried over the fact that Krang dished out severe punishments for people having fun and enjoying themselves. The Neutrinos were the ones who told the Turtles of Krang, that he was a reptillian warlord who enslaved much of Dimension X until a rebel movement captured and banished him from the dimension, resulting in the loss of his body. Although the Neutrinos are against war, they are not complete pacifists, as their vehicles are equipped with weapons that they will use in self-defense. Although in one episode, Dask said the weapons in the car were apparently required by law in Demension X.
After a brief stunt on Earth, the Turtles managed to become friends with the kids and helped them go back home. The Neutrinos returned a few times afterward, and a romantic relationship between Kala and Michelangelo was implied during those times.
The Neutrinos were apparently a race and the name wasn't just a group name for the three kids. In a later 1987 series episode, Four Turtles and a Baby, it is revealed they are ruled by king Zenter and his wife and child Tribble. Krang tries to blackmail the small people, but eventually the Turtles stop him. A Neutrino baby apparently has powers, but it's unclear if the "grown-up" Neutrinos have powers as well.
The Neutrinos are characters that have been invented for the 1987 animated series.
They appeared in issues #2 and #3 of the Archie Comics, but that story was based on the adventure from the television show. Afterward, the Neutrinos were left out entirely.Three Neutrinos
Anime
Although not shown, it is indicated in the first episode of Mutant Turtles: jin Densetsu Hen that the first batch of MutaStones come from the "Neutrino Kingdom".
Video Games
The Neutrinos can be seen in the background of Chrome Domes stage in the SNES version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters.
The Neutrinos were three kids from Dimension X: Dask, Kala, and Zak. They accidentally transported from Krang and Shredder's teleporter to Earth where they soon after became friends with the Turtles.
Krang however mentioned that the Neutrinos aren't highly thought of in their homeworld. This is later revealed that it is on account that Dimension X is a place of total war and Krang has enslaved many inhabitants of Dimension X. Krang forced people to fight and die for him, which the Neutrinos wanted no part of. Kala cried over the fact that Krang dished out severe punishments for people having fun and enjoying themselves. The Neutrinos were the ones who told the Turtles of Krang, that he was a reptillian warlord who enslaved much of Dimension X until a rebel movement captured and banished him from the dimension, resulting in the loss of his body. Although the Neutrinos are against war, they are not complete pacifists, as their vehicles are equipped with weapons that they will use in self-defense. Although in one episode, Dask said the weapons in the car were apparently required by law in Demension X.
After a brief stunt on Earth, the Turtles managed to become friends with the kids and helped them go back home. The Neutrinos returned a few times afterward, and a romantic relationship between Kala and Michelangelo was implied during those times.
The Neutrinos were apparently a race and the name wasn't just a group name for the three kids. In a later 1987 series episode, Four Turtles and a Baby, it is revealed they are ruled by king Zenter and his wife and child Tribble. Krang tries to blackmail the small people, but eventually the Turtles stop him. A Neutrino baby apparently has powers, but it's unclear if the "grown-up" Neutrinos have powers as well.
The Neutrinos are characters that have been invented for the 1987 animated series.
They appeared in issues #2 and #3 of the Archie Comics, but that story was based on the adventure from the television show. Afterward, the Neutrinos were left out entirely.Three Neutrinos
Anime
Although not shown, it is indicated in the first episode of Mutant Turtles: jin Densetsu Hen that the first batch of MutaStones come from the "Neutrino Kingdom".
Video Games
The Neutrinos can be seen in the background of Chrome Domes stage in the SNES version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters.
Blair
Temporal Navigator
Here an updated link on the topic.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/faster-than-light-neutrinos-scientist-quits-7605850.html
Good read.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/faster-than-light-neutrinos-scientist-quits-7605850.html
Good read.
Blair
Temporal Navigator
Lets say i want to stop you from killing your self because you are about to do something that will cause your death.
My answer to that is i would walk up to you and show you something e.i picture or video of you dead in the morgue. But then there a thing called eventability.<-- did i spell that right?
Would that stop you?
And would you want to know?
Would you like to know what happens next?
Wonder what a thief would do if you walked up to him and give him what he was about to steal.
Look on his face priceless /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif
The answer to your question is your death didnt happen and thats a good thing. And it all happened without you knowing. :D life goes on.
My answer to that is i would walk up to you and show you something e.i picture or video of you dead in the morgue. But then there a thing called eventability.<-- did i spell that right?
Would that stop you?
And would you want to know?
Would you like to know what happens next?
Wonder what a thief would do if you walked up to him and give him what he was about to steal.
Look on his face priceless /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif
The answer to your question is your death didnt happen and thats a good thing. And it all happened without you knowing. :D life goes on.
Darby
Epochal Historian
Blair,
Thanks for the link.
It doesn't surprise me that Ereditato has "stepped down" from his post as the head of the OPERA team. I alluded to the reasons in my previous post on page 1 of this thread.
Basic theoretical physics research is expensive. Very expensive. And it is important. People who fund such research are not Internet BBS alt-sci buffs and expect that the programs that they fund are run professionally and that results of the research are thoroughly checked out and peer reviewed before being released as pop-sci speculation to the general public (who themselves are for the most part the actual source of the research funding through taxation). When researchers do this it looks more like a cheap publicity stunt than a serious research project. If one could be a fly on the wall of the OPERA HQ office at CERN one might discover that "stepping down" might have involved a boot in the butt.
This is only the most recent case of premature release of unverified information. I'm hoping that it is a lesson learned.
Thanks for the link.
It doesn't surprise me that Ereditato has "stepped down" from his post as the head of the OPERA team. I alluded to the reasons in my previous post on page 1 of this thread.
Basic theoretical physics research is expensive. Very expensive. And it is important. People who fund such research are not Internet BBS alt-sci buffs and expect that the programs that they fund are run professionally and that results of the research are thoroughly checked out and peer reviewed before being released as pop-sci speculation to the general public (who themselves are for the most part the actual source of the research funding through taxation). When researchers do this it looks more like a cheap publicity stunt than a serious research project. If one could be a fly on the wall of the OPERA HQ office at CERN one might discover that "stepping down" might have involved a boot in the butt.
This is only the most recent case of premature release of unverified information. I'm hoping that it is a lesson learned.
servantx
Quantum Scribe
Neutrino laser + Superluminal light pulses via Four-Wave Mixing: is this a possible solution?
Stimulated Generation of Superluminal Light Pulses via Four-Wave Mixing
Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 173902 (2012): Stimulated Generation of Superluminal Light Pulses via Four-Wave Mixing
Ryan T. Glasser, Ulrich Vogl, and Paul D. Lett
National Institute of Standards and Technology and Joint Quantum Institute, NIST and University of Maryland, Gaithersburg, Maryland 20899, USA
Received 13 December 2011; published 26 April 2012
Neutrino generation by high-intensity lasers
Neutrino generation by high-intensity lasers - Abstract - Journal of Physics G: Nuclear and Particle Physics - IOPscience
Andrew V Pakhomov
Department of Physics, University of Alabama in Huntsville, Huntsville, AL 35899, USA
Stimulated Generation of Superluminal Light Pulses via Four-Wave Mixing
Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 173902 (2012): Stimulated Generation of Superluminal Light Pulses via Four-Wave Mixing
Ryan T. Glasser, Ulrich Vogl, and Paul D. Lett
National Institute of Standards and Technology and Joint Quantum Institute, NIST and University of Maryland, Gaithersburg, Maryland 20899, USA
Received 13 December 2011; published 26 April 2012
Neutrino generation by high-intensity lasers
Neutrino generation by high-intensity lasers - Abstract - Journal of Physics G: Nuclear and Particle Physics - IOPscience
Andrew V Pakhomov
Department of Physics, University of Alabama in Huntsville, Huntsville, AL 35899, USA
servantx
Quantum Scribe
To those who were not informed, Ryan T. Glasser, Ulrich Vogl, and Paul D. Lett from NIST and University of Maryland successed in Faster than Light - superluminal light pulses in April, 2012. "Stimulated Generation of Superluminal Light Pulses via Four-Wave Mixing"
Article from National Institute of Standards and Technology's web site.
First, Fast and Faster
Article from National Institute of Standards and Technology's web site.
First, Fast and Faster
servantx
Quantum Scribe
Apparent Faster-Than-Light Pulse Propagation in Interstellar Space: A new
probe of the Interstellar Medium
by F. A. Jenet1, D. Fleckenstein1, A. Ford 1, A. Garcia1,R. Miller1, J. Rivera1, K. Stovall1
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0909/0909.2445v2.pdf
Radio pulsars emit regular bursts of radio radiation that propagate through the
interstellar medium (ISM), the tenuous gas and plasma between the stars. Previously
known dispersive properties of the ISM cause low frequency pulses to be delayed in
time with respect to high frequency ones. This effect can be explained by the presence
of free electrons in the medium. The ISM also contains neutral hydrogen which has a
well known resonance at 1420.4 MHz. Electro-magnetic theory predicts that at such
a resonance, the induced dispersive effects will be drastically different from those of
the free electrons. Pulses traveling through a cloud of neutral hydrogen should undergo
“anomalous dispersion,” which causes the group velocity of the medium to be larger than
the speed of light in vacuum. This superluminal group velocity causes pulses containing
frequencies near the resonance to arrive earlier in time with respect to other pulses.
Hence, these pulses appear to travel faster than light. This phenomenon is caused by
an interplay between the time scales present in the pulse and the time scales present in
the medium. Although counter-intuitive, it does not violate the laws of special relativity.
Here, we present Arecibo observations of the radio pulsar PSR B1937+21 that show clear
evidence of anomalous dispersion. Though this effect is known in laboratory physics,
this is the first time it has been directly observed in an astrophysical context, and it
has the potential to be a useful tool for studying the properties of neutral hydrogen in
the Galaxy.
probe of the Interstellar Medium
by F. A. Jenet1, D. Fleckenstein1, A. Ford 1, A. Garcia1,R. Miller1, J. Rivera1, K. Stovall1
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0909/0909.2445v2.pdf
Radio pulsars emit regular bursts of radio radiation that propagate through the
interstellar medium (ISM), the tenuous gas and plasma between the stars. Previously
known dispersive properties of the ISM cause low frequency pulses to be delayed in
time with respect to high frequency ones. This effect can be explained by the presence
of free electrons in the medium. The ISM also contains neutral hydrogen which has a
well known resonance at 1420.4 MHz. Electro-magnetic theory predicts that at such
a resonance, the induced dispersive effects will be drastically different from those of
the free electrons. Pulses traveling through a cloud of neutral hydrogen should undergo
“anomalous dispersion,” which causes the group velocity of the medium to be larger than
the speed of light in vacuum. This superluminal group velocity causes pulses containing
frequencies near the resonance to arrive earlier in time with respect to other pulses.
Hence, these pulses appear to travel faster than light. This phenomenon is caused by
an interplay between the time scales present in the pulse and the time scales present in
the medium. Although counter-intuitive, it does not violate the laws of special relativity.
Here, we present Arecibo observations of the radio pulsar PSR B1937+21 that show clear
evidence of anomalous dispersion. Though this effect is known in laboratory physics,
this is the first time it has been directly observed in an astrophysical context, and it
has the potential to be a useful tool for studying the properties of neutral hydrogen in
the Galaxy.
Darby
Epochal Historian
To close the book on this thread:
In March of 2012 the Opera Group repeated their experiment after they discovered the source of systematic measurement errors in their set-up and confirmed that neutrinos travel at the speed of light, not faster than light.
Going back and looking at the experiment I realized that there was an odd disconnect in the set-up. How did they accurately measure the distance from CERN to Gran Sasso, Italy? They used the GPS satellite system. What is the very underpinning of the GPS system? The validity of Special Relativity. So, when they initially believed that Special Relativity had been falsified and that neutrinos could exceed the speed of light they were relying on a theory of physics, Special Relativity, as the basis of proof that their experiment was valid and that Special Relativity was invalid.
The laws of nature are the laws of nature. They do not depend on scientific consensus or public opinion. They just are. Scientists can make mistakes and experimental design is usually where the errors can be found, as was the case here. What is unusual is their failure to realize that they were using circular logic to prove their case.
In March of 2012 the Opera Group repeated their experiment after they discovered the source of systematic measurement errors in their set-up and confirmed that neutrinos travel at the speed of light, not faster than light.
Going back and looking at the experiment I realized that there was an odd disconnect in the set-up. How did they accurately measure the distance from CERN to Gran Sasso, Italy? They used the GPS satellite system. What is the very underpinning of the GPS system? The validity of Special Relativity. So, when they initially believed that Special Relativity had been falsified and that neutrinos could exceed the speed of light they were relying on a theory of physics, Special Relativity, as the basis of proof that their experiment was valid and that Special Relativity was invalid.
The laws of nature are the laws of nature. They do not depend on scientific consensus or public opinion. They just are. Scientists can make mistakes and experimental design is usually where the errors can be found, as was the case here. What is unusual is their failure to realize that they were using circular logic to prove their case.