4 points in time travel?

KneeDeep

KneeDeep

Temporal Novice
I know that there are 4 pionts of entry if you will, to time travel. I know three of them. Theres an address of sorts of when you want to go.The time and The destination in time. Whats the other one?
I saw documentary on t.v. wich had black scientist (i cant remember his name) who said that he was able to encode information in a concentrated beam of light (laser beam). Know useing these 4 points in time he was able to send this info. 15 sec. into the future in the beam of light (laser).
He didnt expose the 4th piont of the equation so if anyone know or can figure this one out drop a reply.
 
There is a company that has done this, via use of a large crystal.

I am not at liberty to discuss this, however the company has been found and has accomplished broadcast, way into the future.
 
Not sure what the 4 points you speak of are. but speaking theorhetically, if one were encoding information into photons and sending this information to the future you would need. A photon emitter, very precise as these photons will be kicked out at specific times not random times. you will need to know speed which we will assume is C, direction, spin, and if you are somehow trying to send this information faster than light (ie into the future) you still need some very Very major equipment. I do not believe a laser beam by itself could ever accomplish this on its own. The mere fact that you can encode information, even if you encoded your "time, destination time.."etc, a photon isn't going to know its supposed to travel into the future. You'll need some device to either somehow speed a photon up beyond C or a device to break the boundaries of space/time. regardless a laser beam with 4 points just ain't going to do it.
 
I know that there are 4 pionts of entry if you will, to time travel.
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Are you refering to the three dimensions of space and one dimension of time?

If I want to travel form one place to another, I need to specify 3 points: Longtitude, Latitude and Altitude. For example: 24 degrees North, 37 degrees West, 1500 feet above sea level.

A time traveller needs 4 points to specify his destination: Longtitude, Latitude, Altitude and the date. For example: 24 degrees North, 37 degrees West, 1500 feet above sea level, 19/11/2004.

Is that what you meant by "4 points of entry"?
 
The problem is the earth is spinning, its moving around the sun, and we are moving through space. So where we are today in space is not the same place we will be next year at the same time. Meaning you'll need a hell of a lot more than longitude and latitude.
 
Ren, I simply meant that you need 4 different numbers to pinpoint your desired destination, if you are a time traveller.

Spacetime has 4 dimensions. It seems that this is what the scientist in the documentary KneeDeep refered to was talking about.

BTW, Longtitude and Latitude would work just fine, as long as you compensate for the movement of the earth and the sun. Any programmable pocket calculator can do this for you. Besides, you'll have to do coordinate transformations anyway, if you plan to manipulate spacetime into wierd shapes while you are going through...
 
you say you need 4 numbers, coordinates if you will. Here is the problem with that. Space/Time as we know it does not have a Coordinate system. There is no Starting point. And you can't just create the values. We have no idea where we are in space in relation to the sun and then in relation to our galaxy and then in relation to the universe. How do you assign a system for that? You're talking about hundreds of Billions of miles in every axis, x/y/z, then including time. Who labels time? we measure it in seconds, who says anyone else does. Basically I'm saying there is no actual standard for space/time coordinates and until it is created this whole thread is utterly useless.
 
You can use any co-ordinate system you wish... as long as you are consistent, and as long as your computer in your time travelling device (whatever it is) is using the same system as you are. If your time travelling device doesn't have a computer built into it, then I strongly advise against using it... ;-)

The point is, regardless of your choice, you'll always need 4 markers to spot a unique location in space and time. You have some freedom choosing these 4 markers, but there will always be 4 of them.
 
The point is, regardless of your choice, you'll always need 4 markers to spot a unique location in space and time. You have some freedom choosing these 4 markers, but there will always be 4 of them.
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Actually, I don't buy this. I maintain that you actually need to specify NINE coordinates. You claim 4 because you are of the belief that Time only has 1 dimension to it. Are you sure of that?

My theory (which can be found if you search on "Massive SpaceTime" occurring in thread titles) is that both Mass and Time are fully 3-dimensional, just as Space is. Given that we all agree that Space is 3-D, don't you think it would be acceptable (and make a lot more sense) if the other two primary dimensions of our reality were also 3-D?

I believe they are. And in order to be able to "travel in Time" you will have to have equal modifications to both Mass and Space. The three measures are an integrated set of measures we use to specify reality.

RMT

PS - BTW. We already know (and have defined) that Mass is composed of three dimensions. Do you know what they are?
 
The question isn't what makes "more sense"... The question is what works, mathematically.

Unless you can provide a mathematical framework for your theory of nine dimensions, then Einstein's good old 4D geometry is here to stay.

As for the three dimensions you attribute to mass... Here is a guess: Mass, Energy and Momentum. Am I close?
 
Unless you can provide a mathematical framework for your theory of nine dimensions
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OK, how's this for a framework: Ever hear of string theory? As of late, the proponents of this theory seem to be arguing whether there are 9 or 10 dimensions. Either way, they are knocking on the door of the ancient mystical knowledge known as the Tree Of Life... which is what my theory is directly derived from (along with the science and engineering I have studied over my lifetime).

Actually, I have worked out quite a bit of the math myself, but am not ready to publish. Let me just say that my theory involves full use of tensor calculus, as this "works" quite well with 9-D Massive SpaceTime. If you've studied tensors, you'll understand why it works so well.


As for the three dimensions you attribute to mass... Here is a guess: Mass, Energy and Momentum. Am I close?
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Nope. Your first guess is the roll-up of the 3 dimensions as we perceive them as Mass. Your second guess is actually the progenerate, combined form of Massive SpaceTime that represents the "One" measure of the whole Matrix. Your third guess is the degenerate form of Massive SpaceTime, in that it is also a combined form Mass, Space, and Time.

If you want to get close to the 3 dimensions of Mass: Think "charge".
Should be pretty simple if you think along those lines, as it is the basis for all chemisty.

RMT
 
"Basically I'm saying there is no actual standard for space/time coordinates and until it is created this whole thread is utterly useless."

You know what?

I agree with you RenUnconscious, this whole thread is utterly useless!
 
Thank you. We have no maping/tracking/coordinate system that assigns a 0 to the center of our galaxy and then has a system of measurements we can track. We are floating through space with absolutely no knowledge of our specific location in relationship to our own galaxy. Basically I am saying sure we can shoot off a rocket and send a probe to mars, etc etc. But try getting that same probe to come back and land on the same launching pad it took off from. you could be 100 million miles away in Space from where you were when the rocket initially launched.

We have no system.

As far as making a system I say its going to be similar to the show Stargate. you will need 6 coordinates for an ending point (6 points in a cube can pinpoint one exact location). Also 1 for the starting point. Stargate also compensates for Doppler Shift and THIS is whats important, ok so its a TV show but they threw in this one fact and made it damn scientifical! lol

so I say at least 7 points, Minimum. This ONLY controls the Space relationship of the equation, add in time. As has been said Time may even be rolled up into its own dimensions, but if it could be broken down into only 1 universal time component then you are up to a minimum of 8 points for traveling through Space and Time.


An interesting side bar, I remember in one of John Titors stories about them setting up the first Time travel devices. They planed to send it only a second or two into the future and when they did, the damn things disappeared (according to him of course). Turns out they ended up rematerializing 2 seconds ahead but hundreds of miles away, many times in Mid Air. Then something about using gravity locks, I forget, but they kept the damn thing from moving through Space as well as time.

The earth moves Quite a bit in only a couple of seconds, if you could somehow suspend the laws of gravity and friction on yourself for only 2 seconds you would be stationary and the earth would go spinning off. get it?
 
Because each realm of space-time is considered a separate realm, due to both the travel of the entire universe, as well as its segments, the term massive space-time, can never be used.

In time travel, I only say realms.

The flipping of the bird is interesting here, as in some way, T12 and RMT might know each other?

RMT, satellite, knew that robotics technician was forced into conflict, but kept an eye on....

T12, knew that the red mark around sol, was in a one state, however now look through a twin blue pane filter and red mark, is now a three.

RMT would be called rude, but is as the Brits say, "smashing".
 
Your welcome.

and I must say that I "do" understand what you are implying, all the more reason to be in agreement with you.

Meanwhile, I would also like to make another suggestion here...

What's at the base of a cathode ray tube in the back of your TV?
a doughnut shaped electromagnet.

what's in the back of your radio?
again, an electromagnet

and what's in back of the human brain?
a bio-electric form of an electromagnet.

Even the earth itself contains a huge electromagnet, including the micro-universe of spinning electrons, protons, and other various forms of spinning entities all contain their own capacitance of electromagnetisim of sorts.

remember, all things (animate & inanimate) radiate a residual "electromagnetic signature" even the smallest can be detected and traced to it's point of origin anwhere, and any "Time"

When you think in terms of radio waves, and how the brain functions like a radio, the base of which all have a link to some form of electromagnet be it to send, or receive, IMHO a Television picture tube, a radio, or even the brain itself all have an electromagnet in which the carrier waves all pass through an electromagnet before transmitting a signal, the same in reverse is used to catch them.

This electromagnetic signature is also very much like a DNA fingerprint, which would explain why people are able to see ghosts & apparitions of our dearly departed, including the recent research of EVP which picks up the voices of the dead so to speak, they are not really living ghosts per say, but in fact a "Recording" of that electromagnetic signature of the persons essence. Albeit they have left the building, their ELM signature can be detected and yes you can even communicate with it very much like communicating with your computer, but it is a memorex copy of the intelligence of the former persons program that is still running in the background radiation.

My point is... It may be very possible that these ELM signatures could be used to navigate selected places in Time reversal as well.

---T12
EM2 in a Round Hole
 
I agree with you in principle.

Yes almost everything we depend on has some form of electromagnetic field. Most importantly our atmosphere. There was a great movie called The Core, in which the earths electromagnetic field was failing. The most serious problems became extreme UV rays that penetrated the ozone layer and started cooking the earth. The fun stuff was when the pigeons went crazy and started smashing into windows. (they navigate based on the EM field of the earth).


what I was not aware of or did not know, was that according to you we can trace the EM signature back to its source. How is this accomplished?
 
"what I was not aware of or did not know, was that according to you we can trace the EM signature back to its source. How is this accomplished?"

Improved scanning technologies for starters, would be one part of the process.

Just as in the case of identifying a person via their DNA pattern, you could do the same here by using a sample of that DNA to identify the ELM signature~ again this is just one example of the process.

---T12
EM2 in a Round Hole
 
This electromagnetic signature is also very much like a DNA fingerprint,
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Interesting, T12. Now have you ever considered this potential (pun) coincidence?

An inductive coil, such as is used in a solenoid, creates what at the center of the coil when current is passed through it?

Our DNA is also a coil of specific chemical energy.

Would you believe that our DNA can be affected by, and interact with, natural and man-made magnetic fields? If you said "yes", step to the front of the class! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

We've barely scratched the surface of our DNA. It's field extends beyond the dimensions we perceive as "reality".

RMT
 
"Would you believe that our DNA can be affected by, and interact with, natural and man-made magnetic fields?"

Naturally! this is not the first "Time" I've been asked this question~

Funny thing that the earliest rendition of the very symbol of DNA, was originally introduced as the Staff of Hermes dating back to an artifact from ancient Sumeria.
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Another interesting translation is that the word Sumerian itself means, "who from heaven came"

Amongst ruins in an ancient Sumerian city (1st settlement after the flood) was found what Archeologists claimed was a "fertility relic". This was a sculpture "model" that resembled a double helix coil of the Human DNA.
 
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