What is the Time in Andromeda? 10 days per year?

JudasTitor

JudasTitor

Quantum Scribe
The Andromeda Galaxy is estimated to be 2.57 million light years away and 260,000 light years in diameter. The size estimation of the Andromeda super massive black hole is 140 million times larger than our sun, while our own Milky Way galaxy black hole is only 2.857% as massive at 4 million solar masses.

Is time passing at a 2.857% relative rate as to the passage of time on Earth in Milkyway galaxy? That would be equivalent to 10.428 Earth days passing in Andromeda for every year experienced on Earth, a form of time dilation.

How is this time dilation skewing the observable light coming from Andromeda? We currently experience a blue doppler shift while observing Andromeda, which we have traditionally assumed indicates that the object is moving towards us.

Could time dilation from a larger galaxy experiencing a slower rate of relative time cause doppler shifting in observable light?

OR

Does the size of the black hole only determine the distance of the diameter of a local gravity well, while the rate of black hole rotation determines total galactic relative space/time dilation?
 
Good questions. I was thinking of something similar the other day. I was wondering what kind of timekeeping system a galaxy-spanning civilization would have. The points you're making here make me think of it.

Does time flow at the same speed in another galaxy? What about in the void between galaxies? I don't have an answer! :)
 
The closest analog experiment we have are the 2 microsingularity gravity drives in John Titors C204 time machine. The rate of time for the machine is slowed down by increasing gravity via forcing singularity rotation with electron injection. From John's perspective, 10 years pass by per 1 hour of traveler Rip Van Winkle nap time at a power output of 2Gs. This suggests that singularity total diameter determines the displacement volume of outer gravity well, while singularity rotarion rate determines gravity and space / time dilation. We should be able to use this information to build an equation that inversely correlates the operational unit area diameter to the size of our microsingularity based on the size of our Milkyway black hole in relation to the total size of the Milkyway galaxy.
In Layman's terms:

Black hole size = Area of effect diameter

While

Black hole rotation rate = gravity rate output
 
JudasTitor said:
The closest analog experiment we have are the 2 microsingularity gravity drives in John Titors C204 time machine. The rate of time for the machine is slowed down by increasing gravity via forcing singularity rotation with electron injection. From John's perspective, 10 years pass by per 1 hour of traveler Rip Van Winkle nap time at a power output of 2Gs. This suggests that singularity total diameter determines the displacement volume of outer gravity well, while singularity rotarion rate determines gravity and space / time dilation. We should be able to use this information to build an equation that inversely correlates the operational unit area diameter to the size of our microsingularity based on the size of our Milkyway black hole in relation to the total size of the Milkyway galaxy.
In Layman's terms:

Black hole size = Area of effect diameter

While

Black hole rotation rate = gravity rate output
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Time runs faster in black voids than in galaxies, making the universe a lot older in the space between the galaxies than it is say, inside the milky way galaxy

Listen to this podcast segment from quirks and quarks:

Is dark energy dying? A new theory suggests that the universe has different time zones

 
TrapperND said:
Time runs faster in black voids than in galaxies, making the universe a lot older in the space between the galaxies than it is say, inside the milky way galaxy

Listen to this podcast segment from quirks and quarks:

Is dark energy dying? A new theory suggests that the universe has different time zones

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Now that would be exactly what our John Titor stated. Time passes at a rate of 10 years per hour at 2Gs full power machine operation. The Big question is what was the rotational rate of the singularity drive at 2Gs?

Now that we can agree on this, we can assume that the current galactic distance estimates are wrong because the doppler effect is the result of time dilation, not distance & cosmic expansion velocity.

There it is boys, the final relativity theorem (Relative Time Rate) the end of dark matter / dark energy, and end of unknown variables. The size and rotational rates of the black holes are the only remaining variable in solving galactic gravitational mass calculations.
 
JudasTitor said:
Now that would be exactly what our John Titor stated. Time passes at a rate of 10 years per hour at 2Gs full power machine operation. The Big question is what was the rotational rate of the singularity drive at 2Gs?

Now that we can agree on this, we can assume that the current galactic distance estimates are wrong because the doppler effect is the result of time dilation, not distance & cosmic expansion velocity.

There it is boys, the final relativity theorem (Relative Time Rate) the end of dark matter / dark energy, and end of unknown variables. The size and rotational rates of the black holes are the only remaining variable in solving galactic gravitational mass calculations.
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Well, it's still a theory. It hasn't been experimentally tested. Dark energy is real, and it does exist. But the time distortion caused by gravity and motion is also real. Time runs differently in every galaxy, star system, planet, and moon. The difference is enough that devices constructed to track time at a particular location (like a watch) won't function in another location, like another planet.

Another way to look at time is its the amount of energy needed to do the same amount of work in different places. But, this is a description of the passage of time, which you talked about.

It is not the topological treatment of time where you can reference the occurance of an event as a co-ordinate
 
TrapperND said:
Well, it's still a theory. It hasn't been experimentally tested. Dark energy is real, and it does exist. But the time distortion caused by gravity and motion is also real. Time runs differently in every galaxy, star system, planet, and moon. The difference is enough that devices constructed to track time at a particular location (like a watch) won't function in another location, like another planet.

Another way to look at time is its the amount of energy needed to do the same amount of work in different places. But, this is a description of the passage of time, which you talked about.

It is not the topological treatment of time where you can reference the occurance of an event as a co-ordinate
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Think about this concept: within a gravity well, space/time slows down (dilates) as an objects velocity (and mass) increases. Does that time dilation occur at all in deep space outside of galactic gravity wells?
 
JudasTitor said:
Think about this concept: within a gravity well, space/time slows down (dilates) as an objects velocity (and mass) increases. Does that time dilation occur at all in deep space outside of galactic gravity wells?
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let's assume you are floating in the void between galaxies to establish a baseline. Everything else removed, you will age at the rate time clicks by in the void. To somebody in our galaxy, say on earth, it will look like you hit the age of 99 in a second and then died.

Now, your body produces a gravity wave. This slows down the time around your body compared to the void around you. So, you will age to 98 instead of 99. The void around your gravity well will still pass at the same rapid rate (actually, gravity is a field, so your presence will imperceptibly slow the rate time flows across the void).

Now, suppose you are moving through the void. As your speed increases, so does your gravity well. The effect your gravity well has is still the same on the void. Inside the well, you age slower than if you stood still in the void. And, the rest of the void will imperceptibly slow down because the gravity well is in a field that extends to the edges of the universe.

But, here is a question : inside the well, time flies "normally". Your view to the outside, would the void look like it has sped up even more? Is there a limit to the rate of passage? And, what defines "normal"? Why would you experience the same normal on earth as you would in the void? The answer is, you perceive an imaginary standard time caused by chemical reactions. And the energy needed to cause them changes in each timezone.

This is why you don't try to travel in any way inside the projected universe. You do it in the ethereal singularity. Within that, spatial dimensions become more similar to time, and you can use all 4 co-ordinates as an index to a spatial location at a moment if time, and return to the projected universe. But, if you do not know what you are doing, you will be killed. And, you could kill a lot of other things
 
I would expect to observe time passing very slowly on Earth and 35X slower in Andromeda from the relative viewpoint of the void, devoid of gravity, velocity and time. I'm going to self correct on the Andromeda suggestion by stating that black hole rotation rates are probably the determinant of "time" due to spacial "friction" caused by gravitational frame dragging on galactic spacetime.

Both of our theorems suggest that time is actually a form of friction caused by velocity mass & gravity. We just haven't been able to observe the forest for the trees, we are within a black hole gravity well now, as we speak.
 
JudasTitor said:
I would expect to observe time passing very slowly on Earth and 35X slower in Andromeda from the relative viewpoint of the void, devoid of gravity, velocity and time. I'm going to self correct on the Andromeda suggestion by stating that black hole rotation rates are probably the determinant of "time" due to spacial "friction" caused by gravitational frame dragging on galactic spacetime.

Both of our theorems suggest that time is actually a form of friction caused by velocity mass & gravity. We just haven't been able to observe the forest for the trees, we are within a black hole gravity well now, as we speak.
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yeah, I can't remember what you would see from inside the void. reference frames in relativity would see things slow down in the other frame by the same amount, while inside the frame time stays normal.

But, with a black hole, people outside would see you slow down and stop at the outer horizon. Inside, you would not see any changes in your passage of time, but you will see stuff falling faster into the hole behind you and an exponential aging of the universe to the point "you'll see the end of the universe".

But, again, these contradictions happen when you try to travel within our universe rather than outside of it. Or, put another way, our science is far from complete and we try to do everything from a billard ball paradigm, by dragging things around in physical space.
 
JudasTitor said:
I would expect to observe time passing very slowly on Earth and 35X slower in Andromeda from the relative viewpoint of the void, devoid of gravity, velocity and time. I'm going to self correct on the Andromeda suggestion by stating that black hole rotation rates are probably the determinant of "time" due to spacial "friction" caused by gravitational frame dragging on galactic spacetime.

Both of our theorems suggest that time is actually a form of friction caused by velocity mass & gravity. We just haven't been able to observe the forest for the trees, we are within a black hole gravity well now, as we speak.
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I think the difference what you see between inside reference frames and inside black holes is the speed space is moving. outside a black hole it's expanding, and that causes reference frames to see a slow down in time with the other.

In a black hole, space itself is contracting, and falling into the black hole faster than the speed of light. That's why you see the universe speed up, instead of slow down like you would see yourself outside the black hole.

My guess what you would see in a void also depends on whether space is expanding or contracting, in some sort of relationship with the speed of light
 
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