Now, according to Dr. Ernest Martin (sure you know him - I think he is the one that dug up the Middle East just recently or so perhaps- have to check on that) but now over 600 Planetariums mostly here in the USA and but some world-wide show this at Christmas and think this is true about his (Dr. Ernest Martin) results:
http://askelm.com/star/
http://askelm.com/star/star015.htm
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The nativity occurred on September 11, 3 B.C.E. Note the following sequence of historical events.
Joseph and Mary’s journey to Bethlehem for the “census†occurred at the very close of the Jewish civil year --- an apt time for a registration of peoples to happen. It was in the summer season and before the rains set in that would have made it difficult.
Jesus was born in a stable in the twilight period of September 11th, the Day of Trumpets, 3 B.C.E.
He was circumcised on September 18, 3 B.C.E. (the eighth day for the circumcision rite is reckoned inclusively).
He was dedicated in the temple on October 20/21, 3 B.C.E.
Luke says: they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth (Luke 2:39). This means they did not go to Egypt after the birth of Jesus. After all, they had only gone to Bethlehem for the “census,†not to move there. So, the family returned to Nazareth in the latter part of October, 3 B.C.E.
Then for some reason, they decided to move to Bethlehem. This could have been in the spring or summer of 2 B.C.E. They set up house, having no need for the temporary type of shelter they had when Jesus was born (Matthew 2:11).
On December 5th (Kislev 7) of 2 B.C.E. the youth tore down the eagle from the east entrance to the temple.
Then on December 25, 2 B.C.E., when the King planet Jupiter came to its stationary point in mid-Virgo the Virgin, it would have been seen “stopped over Bethlehem†as viewed from Jerusalem. The Magi then went to Bethlehem and gave the child the gifts they brought from the east. Jesus was now a paidion (Greek: toddler) not a brephos (Greek: infant, as in Luke). He was old enough to stand and to walk. In the papyrus codex Bodmer V of the Proto-Evangelium of James written in Egypt in the 4th century, it even states that the Magi were able to see Jesus “standing by the side of his mother Mary†(21:3). This shows early opinion that the visit of the Magi to give gifts to Jesus was long after his birth. This giving of gifts by the Magi would have occurred during the days of Hanukkah when Jewish fathers were accustomed to give gifts to their children. This would have appeared quite proper to Jewish people.
With the warnings of the Magi, Joseph and Mary immediately took Jesus to Egypt in late December of 2 B.C.E.
Immediately after this, Herod killed all the male children “from two years old and under†(Matthew 2:16). This matter of killing children two years old can now make better sense. If Jesus was born on 11 September, 3 B.C.E., the slaying of the innocents was about 15 months after his birth. If the conception period were also considered, it comes to 24 months exactly. This may be a helpful clue that Jesus was indeed born in September, 3 B.C.E. and why the Magi saw Jesus “standing by the side of his mother Mary.â€
Soon afterward, the two illustrious rabbis were tried and sentenced by the Sanhedrin. This could have been in early January of 1 B.C.E., and then a few days later (on January 10th) the eclipse of the Moon occurred that Josephus mentioned.
Herod then died about January 28th (Schebat 2) in 1 B.C.E.
Later, in the spring of 1 B.C.E., the Passover occurred during which 3000 Jewish worshippers lost their lives in the temple.
In the summer and autumn of that year (1 B.C.E.) The War of Varus took place.
Then, about twenty-eight years later, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist sometime in either October or November of C.E. 27 at the beginning of a Sabbatical Year. Jesus then began his official ministry with the Passover and Pentecost season of C.E. 28 and was finally crucified in C.E. 30.
If what I am suggesting in this book is true, a new understanding in the life of Jesus emerges. Not only do many obscure passages in Josephus make sense, but the chronological and theological indications of the New Testament about the birth of Jesus also become clearer. Roman history as well becomes more understandable for the middle years of Augustus. And while none of us was living some 2000 years ago to prove these points as an eyewitness, there is enough evidence available to give us some reasonable assurance that this new information brings us pretty close to the truth.
This means that the Star of Bethlehem can be identified and that it fits into the over-all historical theme to make this period in human history more understandable. This is just another reason why all historians who want to comprehend the proper history of Rome in the early Empire period need to focus their attention on “The Star that Astonished the World.â€
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Of course, the conception would have been around Dec. 25, 4 B.C.
Well, according to the Catholic Church or should I say the Vatican that would make the year - 2011 - but to anyone else who views the birth instead of conception that would make the year 2010. Now, it seems that some people had to visit China for Astromonical Records because once again, Western Civilization seemingly always wants to always destroy its self and the records.
Now on to the Dead Sea Scrolls, but there is not much about them yet, still after 50 years except bits and pieces trying to be put back together except for a little bit.
Can't live with it, can't live without it! I do not know I was not there, so all I do is read this stuff sometimes.
:eek:
http://askelm.com/star/
http://askelm.com/star/star015.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The nativity occurred on September 11, 3 B.C.E. Note the following sequence of historical events.
Joseph and Mary’s journey to Bethlehem for the “census†occurred at the very close of the Jewish civil year --- an apt time for a registration of peoples to happen. It was in the summer season and before the rains set in that would have made it difficult.
Jesus was born in a stable in the twilight period of September 11th, the Day of Trumpets, 3 B.C.E.
He was circumcised on September 18, 3 B.C.E. (the eighth day for the circumcision rite is reckoned inclusively).
He was dedicated in the temple on October 20/21, 3 B.C.E.
Luke says: they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth (Luke 2:39). This means they did not go to Egypt after the birth of Jesus. After all, they had only gone to Bethlehem for the “census,†not to move there. So, the family returned to Nazareth in the latter part of October, 3 B.C.E.
Then for some reason, they decided to move to Bethlehem. This could have been in the spring or summer of 2 B.C.E. They set up house, having no need for the temporary type of shelter they had when Jesus was born (Matthew 2:11).
On December 5th (Kislev 7) of 2 B.C.E. the youth tore down the eagle from the east entrance to the temple.
Then on December 25, 2 B.C.E., when the King planet Jupiter came to its stationary point in mid-Virgo the Virgin, it would have been seen “stopped over Bethlehem†as viewed from Jerusalem. The Magi then went to Bethlehem and gave the child the gifts they brought from the east. Jesus was now a paidion (Greek: toddler) not a brephos (Greek: infant, as in Luke). He was old enough to stand and to walk. In the papyrus codex Bodmer V of the Proto-Evangelium of James written in Egypt in the 4th century, it even states that the Magi were able to see Jesus “standing by the side of his mother Mary†(21:3). This shows early opinion that the visit of the Magi to give gifts to Jesus was long after his birth. This giving of gifts by the Magi would have occurred during the days of Hanukkah when Jewish fathers were accustomed to give gifts to their children. This would have appeared quite proper to Jewish people.
With the warnings of the Magi, Joseph and Mary immediately took Jesus to Egypt in late December of 2 B.C.E.
Immediately after this, Herod killed all the male children “from two years old and under†(Matthew 2:16). This matter of killing children two years old can now make better sense. If Jesus was born on 11 September, 3 B.C.E., the slaying of the innocents was about 15 months after his birth. If the conception period were also considered, it comes to 24 months exactly. This may be a helpful clue that Jesus was indeed born in September, 3 B.C.E. and why the Magi saw Jesus “standing by the side of his mother Mary.â€
Soon afterward, the two illustrious rabbis were tried and sentenced by the Sanhedrin. This could have been in early January of 1 B.C.E., and then a few days later (on January 10th) the eclipse of the Moon occurred that Josephus mentioned.
Herod then died about January 28th (Schebat 2) in 1 B.C.E.
Later, in the spring of 1 B.C.E., the Passover occurred during which 3000 Jewish worshippers lost their lives in the temple.
In the summer and autumn of that year (1 B.C.E.) The War of Varus took place.
Then, about twenty-eight years later, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist sometime in either October or November of C.E. 27 at the beginning of a Sabbatical Year. Jesus then began his official ministry with the Passover and Pentecost season of C.E. 28 and was finally crucified in C.E. 30.
If what I am suggesting in this book is true, a new understanding in the life of Jesus emerges. Not only do many obscure passages in Josephus make sense, but the chronological and theological indications of the New Testament about the birth of Jesus also become clearer. Roman history as well becomes more understandable for the middle years of Augustus. And while none of us was living some 2000 years ago to prove these points as an eyewitness, there is enough evidence available to give us some reasonable assurance that this new information brings us pretty close to the truth.
This means that the Star of Bethlehem can be identified and that it fits into the over-all historical theme to make this period in human history more understandable. This is just another reason why all historians who want to comprehend the proper history of Rome in the early Empire period need to focus their attention on “The Star that Astonished the World.â€
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Of course, the conception would have been around Dec. 25, 4 B.C.
Well, according to the Catholic Church or should I say the Vatican that would make the year - 2011 - but to anyone else who views the birth instead of conception that would make the year 2010. Now, it seems that some people had to visit China for Astromonical Records because once again, Western Civilization seemingly always wants to always destroy its self and the records.
Now on to the Dead Sea Scrolls, but there is not much about them yet, still after 50 years except bits and pieces trying to be put back together except for a little bit.
Can't live with it, can't live without it! I do not know I was not there, so all I do is read this stuff sometimes.
:eek: