Discussion Titor's Predictions and Current Events in Beef Safety

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Beef firm faces perplexing resistance to mad cow tests

Creekstone Farms Premium Beef is a small producer of high-quality beef in Kansas. But it's making a big point about mad cow disease. It wants to privately test all of the cattle it slaughters for the illness, which can cause a fatal brain disease in humans who eat infected meat. The way Creekstone Farms sees it, 100% testing would reassure U.S customers. The company also says it is talking with Japan about restarting exports there, where total testing is required.

But the firm has run into surprising obstacles: from the federal government, which has pledged to do everything possible to detect the disease, and from the meat industry, which has scrambled to keep consumer confidence since December. That's when the first U.S. case of mad cow was found in a Washington cow imported from Canada.

Their reasoning is as confounding as government foot-dragging over approving private testing. And it ill-serves confused customers who are looking for stronger assurances that the meat they buy is safe.

* The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) currently does not allow such private testing for mad cow disease. And it claims that a new government testing system it approved this month is perfectly adequate. More than 10 times the number of cattle will be tested for mad cow under the new system, but the government still will be testing less than 1% of the 37 million cattle slaughtered in the U.S. each year. That falls far short of the 100% testing Creekstone Farms is proposing and Japan provides.

* Other beef producers complain that Creekstone Farms' 100% testing plans would set an expensive precedent. They worry that consumers might be misled into thinking an untested cut of beef isn't safe. But food producers ranging from organic growers to free-range farmers already market their products based on the idea that food produced in healthier ways or with added safeguards is worth paying for. Creekstone Farms' proposal taps into the same logic.

Other beef producers and the USDA say going beyond the new system is unnecessary. But hundreds of seemingly healthy cattle in Europe have tested positive for mad cow disease.

Rather than blocks on private efforts to strengthen beef testing, what's really needed are tougher test regimens for all U.S. cattle. U.S. consumer advocates say this requires testing all cattle over 20 months, since current tests can't detect the long-incubating disease in younger cattle.

In contrast, the new U.S. system will test up to 268,000 cattle over a period of 18 months, including all that appear sick plus a random sample of about 20,000 others.

Americans are willing to fund a higher level of reassurance. A January poll by the Consumers Union showed that 95% of adults would pay 10 cents more a pound for tested beef. Testing every slaughtered cow would cost about six cents per pound.

Scientists are developing promising, inexpensive mad cow tests, including a simple blood test. Until they are perfected, letting Creekstone Farms carry out full testing under USDA oversight not only seems reasonable, it also could provide an important measure of the usefulness of 100% testing.Today's debate: Beef safetyUSDA, industry oppose company's plan to screen all of its cattle.


Source: USATODAY
 
Re: More John Titor evidence... er... OR IS IT? sp

Well, the thing is that you don't actually get CJD from BSE-infected meat. It's primarily a genetic disorder. What you do get from infected meat is vCJD.

To be fair to Titor, it's something of a quibble, and he did mention people getting it from surgical instruments.

As it is, American beef should be safe, as there is a ruminant feed ban which has been in place for the last 7 years or so.

Also, the disease isn't exactly likely to become the "pandemic" that Titor describes it as. Let's see, as of the end of last year, there have been a total worldwide number of reported cases of 153. 143 of which were in the UK. And this is the total number of cases reported since 1980 (Cite).

Let me reiterate that, in the last 24 years, there have been 153 cases worldwide. That's about 6 1/2 a year, on average. In a world with a population of roughly 6 1/2 billion people. It's not a highly infectious disease, and it would have to undergo some serious mutation to even slightly qualify for the label "pandemic".

I'm not going to pretend to be able to predict the duture, but I'll be very very surprised if the rates rise much above what they already are. I think I can safely predict that the rate is not going to increse to tens, even hundreds of thousands a year in the immediate future, and that it's not going to spread very far around the world.
 
Re: More John Titor evidence... er... OR IS IT? sp

Yes, an epidemic of CJD, even one caused by a "sleeper" infection over decades, seems unlikely to me. Certainly, there will be more cases of it, and more than we expect no doubt.
But consider the lung cancer / cigarette saga. It seems fairly clear that yes indeed smoking increases the risk of lung cancer spectacularly, and yes indeed lung cancer is more common in our culture than in cultures that don't have smoking as part of their behaviour. But even with a clear linked condition like lung cancer there is not an "epidemic" of the condition. CJD is rarer and yet is supposedly going to be a pandemic level threat within a year.

The most silly of the predictions to me is the civil war claim. What we will end up with is Titor believers claiming that we are in a civil war situation but that it is a secret war, in other words like Star Trek fans trying to fit the Eugenics War into the 1990s even though it clearly didn't happen the convoluted "explanations" will begin.

-J
 
Re: More John Titor evidence... er... OR IS IT? sp

But even with a clear linked condition like lung cancer there is not an "epidemic" of the condition. CJD is rarer and yet is supposedly going to be a pandemic level threat within a year.

Exactly. He's not even claimed that it'll be epidemic, but pandemic, which means it'll have to affect a huge proportion of the population of a significant number of countrys over a significant geographical area. Exceedingly unlikely.
 
Re: More John Titor evidence... er... OR IS IT? sp

no... me screwing Sherilyn Fenn - that's exceedingly unlikely. Titor's claims are BALONEY in my opinion.

-J

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Sorry if you already know this(not much sleep lately), but according to Alex Jones (www.infowars.com) there is already a war planned out ahead and they are making police into a military and the government has planned already to launch a new wave of martial law in leu of the patriot act. seems coincidental huh?
Ps: hes got pictures of these such camps and much more information
 
Brodol,

<snip>according to Alex Jones (www.infowars.com) there is already a war planned out ahead and they are making police into a military and the government has planned already to launch a new wave of martial law in leiu of the patriot act.

A new wave of martial law? Did I somehow miss the old or first wave of martial law?

Gary North had "dead bang" hard evidence that the military was going to close the highways and herd us all into detention camps on January 1st, 2000. He even had the photos. Well, that was his story at least. He told me that he would escape to Arkansas while I assumed room temperature on January 2nd or shortly thereafter. He did and I didn't. He hasn't been heard from in public since December 31st, 1999.

I don't recall martial law being declared, I don't recall highways being blocked and I certainly don't remember being herded into a detention camp.

Take The Titor Saga for what it is. It is a fictional story that has been copyrighted by the John Titor Foundation replete with a book, a radio program awaiting syndication, T-shirts, coffee mugs and a musical play shown way, way off Broadway. It is being market tested.

As I posted on my forum, why in God's name would his "mom" choose to land in Celebration, Florida and choose an entertainment industry lawyer as the attorney for the John Titor Foundation? Celebration, Fl represents everything that Titor blasted about America. The attorney is the First Citizen of Celebration.

Think about it. Why an entertainment lawyer and why the one private, all white, wealthy yuppie, New Urban Development gated community in Florida that Titor would have his Russian croanies save a tactical nuke for?

Why? Because Group Titor is following the "Blair Witch" scenario and has convinced a very well known and successful entertainment attorney that it might be a viable project to pursue.

I should probably reiterate some basic facts that you might not have caught in some earlier posts a few months ago:

John Titor first appeared here as "TimeTravel_0." John Titor was his handle on Art Bell's Post-2-Post BBS.

The owner of this site, Raul, was the SysAdmin for the Celebration, Florida Community BBS at the time that Titor first appeared here. Raul had inserted URL hotlinks on the Celebration, Florida Commuity BBS to various sites that he owned - including a link to this site. Shortly thereafter Titor appeared here. We didn't discover that link between Celebration and TimeTravelInstitute until early this year.

It's awfully coincidental that Raul had a link to this site on the Celebration Community BBS almost 4 years ago. He also removed that link almost 4 years ago. And of all of the burgs in America, or even Florida, "mom" and the John Titor Foundation pops up in Celebration, Florida late last year.

Do you believe in coincidences? Or do you believe that some coincidences are so far fetched that there is a non-random relationship - a strong correlation - that just isn't accidental?

BTW: Raul has no direct involvement in any of this. His only involvement is that a member of the Celebration Community BBS saw the hotlink and used it.
 
Theres an array of possibilities here. And even though we cant prove our points to the full extent, lets both play role as "the Supreme Designer" and use our keen skills to convinvce the other that THEY are the soldier in the foxhole... Not us. Pretty redundant Game but lets play anyway /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary North did have credible "Proof" As of " Herding us into camps" was pretty much a safe guess because if y2k did happen; the world would have gone to chaos. Thus the government would put martial law in act, thats why its Second Protocol(shootin fish in a barrel) He was looney ill admit. This man actually admitted to wanting this ordeal to happen. [it doesnt matter what temperature a room is; its always room temperature]
He did not however "Escape to arkansas and was never heard form again"
He has returned to writing articles on many events, such as 9/11 and "The Passion of the Christ" and you can find those here: Gary North Article Archive

Copyright doesnt really mean anything, the bible is copyrighted. and no... I never met a gideon.
However im still waiting for my seven "Jesus is my homeboy" T-shirts in the mail, one for everyday of the week.Cant have too many.

the whole thing about why his "mom" if in fact she is his real "mom" would be in florida, even after his announcement of terror coming ahead? Im not going to give a deffinition of a Paradox, and the whole fun of changing the course of history and risking a possible alternate chain of events.
As of choice of lawyer? It would have to be a entertainment Lawyer, find me a lawyer(sane one) willing to represent a Guy claiming to come from the future.

But ya i didnt mean to get your knickers in a twist, just thought it was "spooky" hence the title of this thread.
 
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