mayfield20
Temporal Novice
Just thought I'd post a few comments on some of JT's pics.
They can be seen at here as well as other places.
When looking at the various pictures, you have to ask youself "what does the picture show? What can be seen? What does it tell us by its own nature? What can't we see?" First, the pics of the hardware.
We get to see the C204 in two different vehicles. One we are told is a Corvette, the other some sort of light truck or pickup (perhaps a US poster can give more detail on these vehicles?).
For the Corvette, it looks like the C204 is orientated lengthways, sitting in the passenger's seat.
Does the seat lay flat back like that, or would it have to be removed?
It looks like the driver's seat is slid forwards - was JT a short man?
To take the shot from this angle, the car must have been a convertible with the top down, as if he was standing by the driver's side door. Wouldn't a soft-top been a little vulnerable during time-trips? Didn't JT say there was a lot of heat build up outside the vehicle?
We see the Geiger counter, which seems to be proping the lid up. Can't he stand it up like in other shots? Perhaps the windscreen curvature gets in the way?
Can we see anything outside the other window? No, just a white-ish area, possibly the interior white wall of a garage or storage space.
What was used to take this photo? JT tells us it was a poloroid camera. Nice benefit of not having to get it developed and printed. But how did that image get onto the internet? Obviously he had access to a colour scanner a some point.
Now looking at the truck pics.
The C204 seems to be positioned transversely accross the rear window of the cab - does this logitudinal or transverse positioning affect the machine's function? JT doesn't seem to mention it.
I don't quite understand the seating arrangements - where is the driver's seat? Is that it laid down so we can see the C204? If so, why is the chair padding different from the seat left?
If the upright seat on the left is the passenger's seat, why does it have shoulders straps, like a 5 point harness? What is this - a racing truck?
We can see a shotgun mounted upright. Behind it is a red fire-extinguisher, laying down with its bottom toward us.
Hard to make out, but in the larger front-on shot, at the the top in black there is what may be the rear vision mirror. Therefore this shot is taken from outside the truck through the front windscreen.
This and the other two truck images, we are told by JT, were taken as frame images from a video shot by his Dad.
How did these images get onto the internet? In my experience, this type of slightly fuzzy image is from analog video capture card. Any corner RadioShack has them cheap. But why, if he had a poloroid camera and access to a colour scanner did he need to get screen shots off Dad's video?
Look again at the truck images. They are all taken with different lighting conditions, with one even looking like it is daylight streaming in throughthe back window. But look at the positioning of the itmes in each shot. Every this is in the exact same place for each shot, unmoved. Why would it be necessary to video exactly the same thing several times at different times of the day?
Look at the small darker shot of the C204 inside the truck. On the front of the case at the center is a black rectangular area, with a smaller one beneath it. Imagine an extruded plastic case with a textured surface but an area untextured for manufacturer's decals or sticker. Paint it matt black and it would show up like this pic. This same shape is visible on all the hardware shots.
Having all these shots of the hardware in the truck, why was it necessary to do supply us with the Corvette shot? Perhaps that came first, so then why supply the truck shots? What is gained by the variation? Nothing really in terms of technical detail. No close-ups. Nothing readable. The only thing I can really see that having all these images gives us is a feeling of holding a greater amount of evidence. If I were given one picture of a UFO, wouldn't I feel more likley to believe if I had 4 photos all of slightly different angles? Wouldn't I feel even greater belief if they were from different sources, different media?
Lets look at the hand-held Remote Control Unit. We see it on both the Corvette and truck pics. The main panel on the top face seems to be two screens or displays, side by side. There seem to be two square buttons on the right hand side of the right screen. Top button with red surround, bottom button with green surround. My guess these would be a stop/go control. Above the red button might be a key, but it is unclear. Below the green button appears to be a joystick.
In the corvette, the joystick is blue. In the truck it seems to be red or brown. If it is a joystick and part of the hand unit, why would the colour be different?
Now, the pic of instructor and cigar smoke, showing laser light being bent by gravity field. We see the beam bend down, ouside the vehicle. So does cigar smopke go outside too? If so, the window must be down. The door has a small quarter window near the A-pilar. Behind the instructor's left fingers, we can see some chromed hinge or latch. We can see that this small window is swung open, also allowing smoke out. This would mark it as a 70's vehicle or so.
To the left of his left hand there is some sort of latch or handle on the door.
The instructor seems to be wearing blue jeans, a light blue collared shirt, a watch on his left wrist, and has a beard.
How did this image get onto the internet? JT says it is from his training in 2035, so he brought it with him. But how? as a hard copy? As video? And why? Sure, its a nice demonstration for us the audience, but JT claimed to not be sent on a mission to inform and communicate with us (but that he did is another issue).
The cut-away Schematic of the C204. Many people have posted how this would have taken time and expense to do this on a CAD system (i.e. whould a hoaxter really spend that much timem and money?). Having working in a technical drafting office that did work for milittary projects, to my eye, this image is skillfully hand drawn, with pictorial perspective and not just technical isometric. Its style of from the 60's-70's, possibly earlier. After that, the style became more cleaner and less shaded, less use of black areas. and then after that came CAD.
The pic appears to be the top half of a normal page (i.e. not a fold-out), with the clipped lower half presumably having shown the legend.
The curve in the text of the heading does not match the curve on the lines of the case, and we can see a line accross the top which seems to show the edge of the page on the photocopier (used by JT at some copy center), yet the text of the heading and clssification do not seem to follow it.
How did this image get onto the internet? JT says he photocopied pages from his manual at a copy center (eg Kinkos). I don't recall if he says he scanned them, but they have obviously been scanned on B&W at low resolution - you can see the line stepping.
In JT's story, his very first "I am from 2036" post offers the supply of pictures. He was already planning to provide images. Did he have them already?
That's prbably enough to start with.
thanks. DJ
They can be seen at here as well as other places.
When looking at the various pictures, you have to ask youself "what does the picture show? What can be seen? What does it tell us by its own nature? What can't we see?" First, the pics of the hardware.
We get to see the C204 in two different vehicles. One we are told is a Corvette, the other some sort of light truck or pickup (perhaps a US poster can give more detail on these vehicles?).
For the Corvette, it looks like the C204 is orientated lengthways, sitting in the passenger's seat.
Does the seat lay flat back like that, or would it have to be removed?
It looks like the driver's seat is slid forwards - was JT a short man?
To take the shot from this angle, the car must have been a convertible with the top down, as if he was standing by the driver's side door. Wouldn't a soft-top been a little vulnerable during time-trips? Didn't JT say there was a lot of heat build up outside the vehicle?
We see the Geiger counter, which seems to be proping the lid up. Can't he stand it up like in other shots? Perhaps the windscreen curvature gets in the way?
Can we see anything outside the other window? No, just a white-ish area, possibly the interior white wall of a garage or storage space.
What was used to take this photo? JT tells us it was a poloroid camera. Nice benefit of not having to get it developed and printed. But how did that image get onto the internet? Obviously he had access to a colour scanner a some point.
Now looking at the truck pics.
The C204 seems to be positioned transversely accross the rear window of the cab - does this logitudinal or transverse positioning affect the machine's function? JT doesn't seem to mention it.
I don't quite understand the seating arrangements - where is the driver's seat? Is that it laid down so we can see the C204? If so, why is the chair padding different from the seat left?
If the upright seat on the left is the passenger's seat, why does it have shoulders straps, like a 5 point harness? What is this - a racing truck?
We can see a shotgun mounted upright. Behind it is a red fire-extinguisher, laying down with its bottom toward us.
Hard to make out, but in the larger front-on shot, at the the top in black there is what may be the rear vision mirror. Therefore this shot is taken from outside the truck through the front windscreen.
This and the other two truck images, we are told by JT, were taken as frame images from a video shot by his Dad.
How did these images get onto the internet? In my experience, this type of slightly fuzzy image is from analog video capture card. Any corner RadioShack has them cheap. But why, if he had a poloroid camera and access to a colour scanner did he need to get screen shots off Dad's video?
Look again at the truck images. They are all taken with different lighting conditions, with one even looking like it is daylight streaming in throughthe back window. But look at the positioning of the itmes in each shot. Every this is in the exact same place for each shot, unmoved. Why would it be necessary to video exactly the same thing several times at different times of the day?
Look at the small darker shot of the C204 inside the truck. On the front of the case at the center is a black rectangular area, with a smaller one beneath it. Imagine an extruded plastic case with a textured surface but an area untextured for manufacturer's decals or sticker. Paint it matt black and it would show up like this pic. This same shape is visible on all the hardware shots.
Having all these shots of the hardware in the truck, why was it necessary to do supply us with the Corvette shot? Perhaps that came first, so then why supply the truck shots? What is gained by the variation? Nothing really in terms of technical detail. No close-ups. Nothing readable. The only thing I can really see that having all these images gives us is a feeling of holding a greater amount of evidence. If I were given one picture of a UFO, wouldn't I feel more likley to believe if I had 4 photos all of slightly different angles? Wouldn't I feel even greater belief if they were from different sources, different media?
Lets look at the hand-held Remote Control Unit. We see it on both the Corvette and truck pics. The main panel on the top face seems to be two screens or displays, side by side. There seem to be two square buttons on the right hand side of the right screen. Top button with red surround, bottom button with green surround. My guess these would be a stop/go control. Above the red button might be a key, but it is unclear. Below the green button appears to be a joystick.
In the corvette, the joystick is blue. In the truck it seems to be red or brown. If it is a joystick and part of the hand unit, why would the colour be different?
Now, the pic of instructor and cigar smoke, showing laser light being bent by gravity field. We see the beam bend down, ouside the vehicle. So does cigar smopke go outside too? If so, the window must be down. The door has a small quarter window near the A-pilar. Behind the instructor's left fingers, we can see some chromed hinge or latch. We can see that this small window is swung open, also allowing smoke out. This would mark it as a 70's vehicle or so.
To the left of his left hand there is some sort of latch or handle on the door.
The instructor seems to be wearing blue jeans, a light blue collared shirt, a watch on his left wrist, and has a beard.
How did this image get onto the internet? JT says it is from his training in 2035, so he brought it with him. But how? as a hard copy? As video? And why? Sure, its a nice demonstration for us the audience, but JT claimed to not be sent on a mission to inform and communicate with us (but that he did is another issue).
The cut-away Schematic of the C204. Many people have posted how this would have taken time and expense to do this on a CAD system (i.e. whould a hoaxter really spend that much timem and money?). Having working in a technical drafting office that did work for milittary projects, to my eye, this image is skillfully hand drawn, with pictorial perspective and not just technical isometric. Its style of from the 60's-70's, possibly earlier. After that, the style became more cleaner and less shaded, less use of black areas. and then after that came CAD.
The pic appears to be the top half of a normal page (i.e. not a fold-out), with the clipped lower half presumably having shown the legend.
The curve in the text of the heading does not match the curve on the lines of the case, and we can see a line accross the top which seems to show the edge of the page on the photocopier (used by JT at some copy center), yet the text of the heading and clssification do not seem to follow it.
How did this image get onto the internet? JT says he photocopied pages from his manual at a copy center (eg Kinkos). I don't recall if he says he scanned them, but they have obviously been scanned on B&W at low resolution - you can see the line stepping.
In JT's story, his very first "I am from 2036" post offers the supply of pictures. He was already planning to provide images. Did he have them already?
That's prbably enough to start with.
thanks. DJ
