Time Travel: Mission Impossible

exop_forensics

Temporal Novice
Disclaimer: I have intentionally "shelved" my book knowledge on this subject so as to force a reexamination of my assumptions. I am not a physicist, nor am I an expert on relativity, quantum mechanics or time travel.
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Scoped/Definitions: "Time travel" refers to matter moving from one time coordinate to another. All objects participate in this generic form of "time travel." "Anomalous time travel" refers to matter and energy traversing the time continuum "the wrong way" or at a "faster rate."

Quotes above highlight where this definition may fall apart. In the case of John Titor, a definition is set immediately that nullifies his whole theory. In one statement, Titor's time-machine disintegrates.

The C204 unit is accurate from 50 to 60 years a jump and travels at about 10 years an hour at 100% power.

And so here lies a machine that can travel "10 years an hour" (forward or backward). One might ask if a device exists that would allow John to travel through the 10 hour long continuum while the machine is engaged at full power. Can we really place another time machine within Titor's 10 year/hour and help it travel back through the hour while the external machine is traveling forward? Does this mean that the internal time machine trumps the outer? As they say in the movie Space Balls, "ludicrous speed."

So I would wager that time travel should be instantaneous, unless I wish to leave the door open for nested time machines (which might be an interesting model for something else--I'll save that one for another "time").

But that's the problem, how do I "instantaneously" move from one time coordinate to another. In the case of three dimensional movement, moving from one coordinate to another "instantaneously" involves infinite velocity, which is--by definition--the state at which one is at two different places at the same time. Na[t]ive reasoning will try to reconcile this "paradox" (1=2) by either making two perfectly identical objects in space, or by pinching the manifold of space to make the two different coordinates the same (thus requiring an additional "dimension" for which to allow for the acrobatics of the existing manifold).

Let's try Einstein's famous train-embankment light beam experiment with a train traveling at the speed of light: two lightning bolts (A and B) strike the ground at an interval distance "simultaneously" while the train with an observer fixed at the midpoint between the events is traveling at the speed of light. Which lightning event is visible to this observer?


Proof that Anomalous Time Travel is Impossible:

(1) TTor needs to relocate from time coordinate A to some distant time coordinate B on his world.

(2) TTor must exit his world at A and reappear at B

(3) In a wormhole, TTor is still connected to the same fabric of space-time containing A and B

(4) TTor has to travel through space and time in order to go through time--this happens at a finite rate, therefore "time" is involved. What time? Certainly not the same continuum of clocks synchronized to the points A and B.

(5) Either that or TTor must exit world at A and reappear at B instantaneously--this means infinite negative energy.

Options (5) and (4) lead to absurdity, therefore anomalous time travel is impossible.

Comments: Problems with the above argument? Sure. But at least I'll get a chance to hear someone explain how a time traveling device within a time traveling device is supposed to work.
 
Great post exop.

But once you mentioned Space Balls I lost it and couldn't concentrate! I LOVE that movie, and so many quotable quotes!

Are you going over my helmet? :D

RMT
 
Did they reach "plaid" before or after "ludicrous speed?"


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HELMET Aah, buckle this. (in microphone) Ludicrous speed, Go!

The ship takes off. The display lights up: Light Speed, Ridiculous
Speed, and then Ludicrous Speed. Helmet is being pulled back.

HELMET Whoaaa! What have I done? My brains are going into my feet.

INT. EAGLE 5 - SPACE Spaceball 1 passes over them leaving a plaid
shadow.

BARF What the hell was that?

LONE STARR Spaceball 1.

BARF They've gone to plaid.

INT. SPACEBALL 1 - SPACE

HELMET We passed them. Stop this thing.

SANDURZ We can't stop. It's too dangerous. We have to slow down
first.
 
You have some valid points in regards to conventional "theory" The problem with using Einstein as a reference is this we have come a long way since then and yes he was a genius but besides that point that does not make everything he stated the gospel truth. Time travel is possible via manipulation of ST by generating a quantum event normally in real ST this is sporadic @ best 1:34 septendecillion ratio. But again "theoretically" this can be manipulated without breaking the bank of requirement of the infinite power argument. Quantum events can be again theoretically generated which unfortunately blows Titor's proposed method out of the water as its not measured via years per hour as much as what 2 points in ST temporarily met.There are several popular theories as to how to construct a crap magnet as I prefer to call it, I won't bother with these pet ideas here but there are documented cases of random quantum events performing what by old school theory is Impossible by your examples yet they happened and continue to do so..

P.S. Great movie the Winnebago spaceship was classic. And if you had some of the same talents as a dog you would literally be your own best friend and probably never leave the house but thats besides the point /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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