Ecce_Signum
Temporal Novice
Time Travel Game:
Hi, I want to play a game with you, I will outline some basic facts and assumptions here and you will help to determine the possible outcomes. If you need the diagrams/pictures to aid you in this exercise then please suggest a place where I can upload them, alternatively post your email address here (if this is allowed) and I will email them (diagrams and text) to you in a word doc.
Some information about you:
You are an exceptional scientist with the highest skills in numerous fields (you can decide the fields yourself, what ever you need for the point of this exercise) and are respected throughout the world of science as well as greatly admired for your ability to calculate mathematical equations and puzzles in your mind. Although you have an extraordinary gift to accurately know where you are on the face of the earth at any given moment (as if you had your own built in GPS system) you do not have any paranormal abilities.
You have a wonderful wife and two children who you love more than anything and you would never let anything happen to them or indeed come before them, your home is at the very center of point A.
Let’s begin:
Let’s assume that the time it takes point A to naturally reach point B with the rotation speed of the Earth is exactly 12 hours or 720 minutes or 43,200 seconds. For arguments sake the time now is exactly 00.00.00.
Note: Points A and B, are not fixed they are rotational but line C is fixed below is diagram 1 to aid the theory:
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In exactly 10 hours at time 10.00.00 the sun will discharge a lethal pulse of energy (C) unlike anything it has ever done before (as far as we know) that will reach the earth and strike the center of point D (the original point B, diagram 2 below), destroying an area the size of a small town or village and wiping out all previously known communication systems as well as killing thousands of civilians.
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It does exactly the same thing exactly 1 hour later at time 11.00.00 striking point E (diagram 3 below) so we now assume and therefore predict (based on the first two strikes (D and E) and their exact times and points of impact) that it may strike again in another 1 hour (time 12.00.00) at point A (point A would have now completed its 12 hour cycle to reach the line C where 12 hours earlier the original point B would have been).
We would not be able to alter this assumption or make any further predictions until we have more information determined by what occurs at time 12.00.00 at point A, unless of course something else occurs before that time which would create a new point.
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The time is 00.00.00 and you are currently sitting in a cockpit seat with excellent views, onboard a new revolutionary airplane (that your lab has helped to develop) awaiting take off from a top secret airbase just outside of Point A. You are there to monitor the highly sensitive and ultra top secret flight equipments functionality created by and on behalf of your lab.
Your destination (mission) is another top secret airbase just outside of point D; your flight speed will be approximately 400 mph outbound and approximately 800 mph inbound. You will stay at point D for approximately 4 hours before making your return flight to point A.
Your orders are to maintain strict and total radio silence during this mission and your total flight time (from point A to D and back to point A including the time spent in point D airbase) is approximately 12 hours and 30 minutes.
The time is 06.00.00 when you arrive at point D, everything has gone according to plan so far, you make your assessments and debrief a top level welcoming party at point D before returning to the plane and preparing for take off.
The time is 09.59.00 and your plane takes off, whilst the plane is still climbing to your target altitude of 15,000 feet you see what appears to be a huge explosion in the distance where the center of point D is.
The time is 11.00.00 your flight is traveling at 800 mph at an altitude of 15,000 feet (as per your mission requirements) when you see what appears to be another huge explosion in the distance where the center of point E is ahead of you.
The time is 11.15.00 you reach point E and can visually see the devastation over the center, you now begin to calculate all the information in your mind and come up with the same conclusions as we have outlined above.
Although your mission details are to maintain strict radio silence, yours and your crew’s family’s lives as well as thousands of other lives are now in imminent danger at point A. You decide to break radio silence and contact the airbase at point A; warn them and demand that your families as well as civilians are evacuated to safety.
The time is 11.40.00 and you have not been able to make radio contact with point A airbase or anyone else for that matter. Your airplanes top secret equipment has also analyzed and computed the information its sensors had picked up during the two blasts and determined it was caused by some kind of pulse ray from the sun. To your calculations that pulse will also hit point A in approximately 20 minutes and it appears there is nothing you can do to warn your family or indeed anyone else.
Now, lets presume that there is absolutely nothing you can do from where you are right now to alter the events that by all intensive purposes are still in the future, 20 minutes in the future to be precise. Yes you are technically in the present but from the perspective of point A (point A at 12.00.00) and the fact that you already know what is going to happen at point A in exactly 20 minutes, could we say that technically you are also in the past?
Certainly as far as the final outcome of the events at point A are concerned if you consider that at some point after 12.00.00 and therefore the event, it would make your present time frame of 11.40.00 and your knowledge of those events well and truly in the past.
Now; what about altering the future? Well in your present situation (time, knowledge of events to come) and the fact that you can be considered technically in the ‘past’ in relation to that event which occurs in 20 minutes, one would think that you could indeed alter some aspects of that future event, saving life’s for example and the infinite possibilities those saved lives would have to affect future events thereafter.
But we can establish that you cannot alter or change this outcome (prevention of a future event) due to the present current restrictions on travel and communication, so other than having unconventional methods of travel (a faster form of travel that may enable you to get to point A at 11.42.00 for example) and communication (an ability to pre-warn using some form of physic or paranormal ability that we know you do not possess) you cannot help.
So lets now consider that if you had a faster form of travel or better still your airplane was in fact a ‘proto type’ time travel machine, but testing that was not part of this mission, would you consider using it?
For the sake of this example we will presume that you did use it and it enabled you to get to point A at 11.40.01 and with the remaining time you had left once you reached there, it was possible to at least save yours and the crew’s families even if you were unable to save anyone else.
Then would this not be considered a form of altering some aspects of the future with knowledge you had from the past? and if so, would it stand to reason that theoretically you could also alter past events from the knowledge you had from the future, if it was also possible to travel back in time?
Lets look at a possible example, just as you were about to travel forward to 11.40.01 you suddenly remembered that your time machine could also go back in time, so you decided to go back far enough to warn everyone in points A, D and E and save thousands of lives as opposed to just a few family members belonging to you and the crew. You would now be altering not only the past (events that happened prior to 11.40.00) from the future but also in some respects the future (what occurs at 12.00.00 in relation to your present time of 11.40.00) from the past.
Lets even expand on this more, lets say that you could go back as far as you needed and by doing so calculate and prove that the suns lethal pulse ray was actually caused by factors created here on earth (global warming for example)? Would it then be possible if the whole world undertook and implemented the necessary changes required for averting those factors, to prevent the suns pulse ray from ever happening?
If so, let’s now assume you managed to achieve everything you set out to do with the decision you made at 11.40.00 to go back in time, so now you set your course (to go back to your own time zone) for 10.00.00 (the point at which in the future in relation to whatever time in the past you went to achieve the prevention of the suns pulse ray) your airplane was still climbing to your target altitude of 15,000 feet when the first explosion over point D occurred.
But when you get there and at that exact time the explosion fails to occur, you and your crew optimistically determine you must have been successful in preventing it. You then proceed with the original mission and at 11.00.00 you do not encounter the second explosion near point E, you proceed further until you reach your airbase at point A at 12.30.00 with no other occurrences and debrief the whole day’s events to your superiors.
Now when you go home to your loving wife and children, what is going to happen?
Is it that as you are walking up the path to your house you see your self mowing the lawn? because you have as some suggest (I read extensively last night about some of your time travel theories, which prompted me to write this post, although it is not the reason I am here, not yet anyway) infinite parallel universes and time lines? And this is not your time line.
If this is then the case, assume after going back in the past in your attempt to avert the suns pulse ray from ever happening, you had to go back even further traveling several or more times to get to the right time zone where it was actually possible to implement the changes required. You could now be in a situation where you possibly could never get back to your own timeline (I use this word as per the theory of multiple timelines) and even if you could you might have changed nothing.
If this is the case the Latin words - A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi – spring to mind and would make time travel a dangerous enterprise for the actual travelers (possibly never getting back to their own timeline) with little or nothing to gain for the people who send them (possibly never seeing the time travelers or the time machine again).
So consider the fact that there may only be one ‘time line’ the one we are on now and everyone/everything before us and everyone/everything in front of us have and will also be on it. If this is the case then it is possible to alter events both in the past and in the future that can have direct consequences no matter how small or large on this one single time line.
To finish I would like to submit a simple but true example where this is possible:
A physic told police of a series of events that would happen in the future that would help them to prevent a serial killer from killing again. Acting on these events several months later when the lead police officer remembered the physics description of the chain of events, he was able to catch and apprehend the serial killer. In the basement of the killer’s house he had; tied and gagged his next victim all ready to be murdered. The killer was jailed and the victim’s life had been saved all thanks to the physics claims of events that would occur in the future several months ago in the past.
When interviewed about this from a local newspaper the physic informed the reporter that she was able to transport her mind not only into the future but also into the past, is this a form of time travel? And does the story enable us to gain insight as to how time travel and changing events can be possible? Consequently with results that will have effects on others and indeed our own futures?
I look forward to your comments regarding this theory.
Ecce Signum
Hi, I want to play a game with you, I will outline some basic facts and assumptions here and you will help to determine the possible outcomes. If you need the diagrams/pictures to aid you in this exercise then please suggest a place where I can upload them, alternatively post your email address here (if this is allowed) and I will email them (diagrams and text) to you in a word doc.
Some information about you:
You are an exceptional scientist with the highest skills in numerous fields (you can decide the fields yourself, what ever you need for the point of this exercise) and are respected throughout the world of science as well as greatly admired for your ability to calculate mathematical equations and puzzles in your mind. Although you have an extraordinary gift to accurately know where you are on the face of the earth at any given moment (as if you had your own built in GPS system) you do not have any paranormal abilities.
You have a wonderful wife and two children who you love more than anything and you would never let anything happen to them or indeed come before them, your home is at the very center of point A.
Let’s begin:
Let’s assume that the time it takes point A to naturally reach point B with the rotation speed of the Earth is exactly 12 hours or 720 minutes or 43,200 seconds. For arguments sake the time now is exactly 00.00.00.
Note: Points A and B, are not fixed they are rotational but line C is fixed below is diagram 1 to aid the theory:
Unable to include Diagram 1
In exactly 10 hours at time 10.00.00 the sun will discharge a lethal pulse of energy (C) unlike anything it has ever done before (as far as we know) that will reach the earth and strike the center of point D (the original point B, diagram 2 below), destroying an area the size of a small town or village and wiping out all previously known communication systems as well as killing thousands of civilians.
Unable to include Diagram 2
It does exactly the same thing exactly 1 hour later at time 11.00.00 striking point E (diagram 3 below) so we now assume and therefore predict (based on the first two strikes (D and E) and their exact times and points of impact) that it may strike again in another 1 hour (time 12.00.00) at point A (point A would have now completed its 12 hour cycle to reach the line C where 12 hours earlier the original point B would have been).
We would not be able to alter this assumption or make any further predictions until we have more information determined by what occurs at time 12.00.00 at point A, unless of course something else occurs before that time which would create a new point.
Unable to include Diagram 3
The time is 00.00.00 and you are currently sitting in a cockpit seat with excellent views, onboard a new revolutionary airplane (that your lab has helped to develop) awaiting take off from a top secret airbase just outside of Point A. You are there to monitor the highly sensitive and ultra top secret flight equipments functionality created by and on behalf of your lab.
Your destination (mission) is another top secret airbase just outside of point D; your flight speed will be approximately 400 mph outbound and approximately 800 mph inbound. You will stay at point D for approximately 4 hours before making your return flight to point A.
Your orders are to maintain strict and total radio silence during this mission and your total flight time (from point A to D and back to point A including the time spent in point D airbase) is approximately 12 hours and 30 minutes.
The time is 06.00.00 when you arrive at point D, everything has gone according to plan so far, you make your assessments and debrief a top level welcoming party at point D before returning to the plane and preparing for take off.
The time is 09.59.00 and your plane takes off, whilst the plane is still climbing to your target altitude of 15,000 feet you see what appears to be a huge explosion in the distance where the center of point D is.
The time is 11.00.00 your flight is traveling at 800 mph at an altitude of 15,000 feet (as per your mission requirements) when you see what appears to be another huge explosion in the distance where the center of point E is ahead of you.
The time is 11.15.00 you reach point E and can visually see the devastation over the center, you now begin to calculate all the information in your mind and come up with the same conclusions as we have outlined above.
Although your mission details are to maintain strict radio silence, yours and your crew’s family’s lives as well as thousands of other lives are now in imminent danger at point A. You decide to break radio silence and contact the airbase at point A; warn them and demand that your families as well as civilians are evacuated to safety.
The time is 11.40.00 and you have not been able to make radio contact with point A airbase or anyone else for that matter. Your airplanes top secret equipment has also analyzed and computed the information its sensors had picked up during the two blasts and determined it was caused by some kind of pulse ray from the sun. To your calculations that pulse will also hit point A in approximately 20 minutes and it appears there is nothing you can do to warn your family or indeed anyone else.
Now, lets presume that there is absolutely nothing you can do from where you are right now to alter the events that by all intensive purposes are still in the future, 20 minutes in the future to be precise. Yes you are technically in the present but from the perspective of point A (point A at 12.00.00) and the fact that you already know what is going to happen at point A in exactly 20 minutes, could we say that technically you are also in the past?
Certainly as far as the final outcome of the events at point A are concerned if you consider that at some point after 12.00.00 and therefore the event, it would make your present time frame of 11.40.00 and your knowledge of those events well and truly in the past.
Now; what about altering the future? Well in your present situation (time, knowledge of events to come) and the fact that you can be considered technically in the ‘past’ in relation to that event which occurs in 20 minutes, one would think that you could indeed alter some aspects of that future event, saving life’s for example and the infinite possibilities those saved lives would have to affect future events thereafter.
But we can establish that you cannot alter or change this outcome (prevention of a future event) due to the present current restrictions on travel and communication, so other than having unconventional methods of travel (a faster form of travel that may enable you to get to point A at 11.42.00 for example) and communication (an ability to pre-warn using some form of physic or paranormal ability that we know you do not possess) you cannot help.
So lets now consider that if you had a faster form of travel or better still your airplane was in fact a ‘proto type’ time travel machine, but testing that was not part of this mission, would you consider using it?
For the sake of this example we will presume that you did use it and it enabled you to get to point A at 11.40.01 and with the remaining time you had left once you reached there, it was possible to at least save yours and the crew’s families even if you were unable to save anyone else.
Then would this not be considered a form of altering some aspects of the future with knowledge you had from the past? and if so, would it stand to reason that theoretically you could also alter past events from the knowledge you had from the future, if it was also possible to travel back in time?
Lets look at a possible example, just as you were about to travel forward to 11.40.01 you suddenly remembered that your time machine could also go back in time, so you decided to go back far enough to warn everyone in points A, D and E and save thousands of lives as opposed to just a few family members belonging to you and the crew. You would now be altering not only the past (events that happened prior to 11.40.00) from the future but also in some respects the future (what occurs at 12.00.00 in relation to your present time of 11.40.00) from the past.
Lets even expand on this more, lets say that you could go back as far as you needed and by doing so calculate and prove that the suns lethal pulse ray was actually caused by factors created here on earth (global warming for example)? Would it then be possible if the whole world undertook and implemented the necessary changes required for averting those factors, to prevent the suns pulse ray from ever happening?
If so, let’s now assume you managed to achieve everything you set out to do with the decision you made at 11.40.00 to go back in time, so now you set your course (to go back to your own time zone) for 10.00.00 (the point at which in the future in relation to whatever time in the past you went to achieve the prevention of the suns pulse ray) your airplane was still climbing to your target altitude of 15,000 feet when the first explosion over point D occurred.
But when you get there and at that exact time the explosion fails to occur, you and your crew optimistically determine you must have been successful in preventing it. You then proceed with the original mission and at 11.00.00 you do not encounter the second explosion near point E, you proceed further until you reach your airbase at point A at 12.30.00 with no other occurrences and debrief the whole day’s events to your superiors.
Now when you go home to your loving wife and children, what is going to happen?
Is it that as you are walking up the path to your house you see your self mowing the lawn? because you have as some suggest (I read extensively last night about some of your time travel theories, which prompted me to write this post, although it is not the reason I am here, not yet anyway) infinite parallel universes and time lines? And this is not your time line.
If this is then the case, assume after going back in the past in your attempt to avert the suns pulse ray from ever happening, you had to go back even further traveling several or more times to get to the right time zone where it was actually possible to implement the changes required. You could now be in a situation where you possibly could never get back to your own timeline (I use this word as per the theory of multiple timelines) and even if you could you might have changed nothing.
If this is the case the Latin words - A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi – spring to mind and would make time travel a dangerous enterprise for the actual travelers (possibly never getting back to their own timeline) with little or nothing to gain for the people who send them (possibly never seeing the time travelers or the time machine again).
So consider the fact that there may only be one ‘time line’ the one we are on now and everyone/everything before us and everyone/everything in front of us have and will also be on it. If this is the case then it is possible to alter events both in the past and in the future that can have direct consequences no matter how small or large on this one single time line.
To finish I would like to submit a simple but true example where this is possible:
A physic told police of a series of events that would happen in the future that would help them to prevent a serial killer from killing again. Acting on these events several months later when the lead police officer remembered the physics description of the chain of events, he was able to catch and apprehend the serial killer. In the basement of the killer’s house he had; tied and gagged his next victim all ready to be murdered. The killer was jailed and the victim’s life had been saved all thanks to the physics claims of events that would occur in the future several months ago in the past.
When interviewed about this from a local newspaper the physic informed the reporter that she was able to transport her mind not only into the future but also into the past, is this a form of time travel? And does the story enable us to gain insight as to how time travel and changing events can be possible? Consequently with results that will have effects on others and indeed our own futures?
I look forward to your comments regarding this theory.
Ecce Signum
