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Some of the poorest people in the world are the happiest and some of the richest people in the world are the most miserable.

Upon what data do you base that? What is interesting is that a study was published not too long ago that provides evidence to counter your belief. Here it is:

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/060315_happiness_pew.html

The basics from this study:
The survey, released this week, points out several disparities based on lifestyle, beliefs and political persuasion:

Republicans are happier than Democrats.
People who worship frequently are happier than those who don't.
The rich are happier than the poor.
Whites and Hispanics are happier than blacks.
Married people are happier than the unmarried.
Dog owners and cat owners rate the same.
Sunbelt residents are happier than everyone else.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get out in the sun here at the beach and take my dog for a walk! :D
RMT
 
The survey, released this week, points out several disparities based on lifestyle, beliefs and political persuasion:

Republicans are happier than Democrats because they own the world.
People who worship frequently are happier than those who don't because they are secure with their future.
The rich are happier than the poor because riches come in many forms other than money.
Whites and Hispanics are happier than blacks because racist comments like these keep them down.
Married people are happier than the unmarried because they get to have oh so many "interesting" conversations.
Dog owners and cat owners rate the same because dogs and cats are both animals...
Sunbelt residents are happier than everyone else because the sun "belts" their brain into hallucination.
 
People arguing on this forum about different things makes it difficult for me to remember what questions were asked of hdrKid.... Just an observation.

HaHa maybe their should be a thread called "arguements that arose in the hdrkid forum thread"
 
i thought hdrkid was branded a kook a long time ago. i thought we could have a little fun since this thread was getting a tad old. :D
 
thats true, i attempted to read the entire thread from the beginning, and hdrkid's andswers got so predictable and repetative that I just skipped to the end
 
Who is Happier?

Heh heh. I know you are pretty much joking around in your replies, ruthless, but just to show you that I can be just as ruthless as the next guy...


Republicans are happier than Democrats because they own the world.

Really? You've never heard of the famously wealthy (and DEM) Rockefeller family? Or how many wealthy Hollywood celebrities, the majority of whom are also DEMs thru and thru, are you forgetting to include? Hmmm.... it seems we could create a pretty big list of DEMs who own a helluva lotta stuff. How about Theresa HEINZ Kerry? John Kerry's DEM (who is really more a SOCIALIST) wife? You do realize she owns the biggest ketchup company in the world, right? And then.... Kennedy anyone? I could go on and on with the names, ruthless...just lemme know!


Whites and Hispanics are happier than blacks because racist comments like these keep them down.

So let me get this straight... are you now saying that it is racist to take a survey and report the factual results of the statistics of that survey? Is this what you are saying is racist? Telling the truth???? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

RMT
 
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"Really? You've never heard of the famously wealthy (and DEM) Rockefeller family? Or how many wealthy Hollywood celebrities, the majority of whom are also DEMs thru and thru, are you forgetting to include? Hmmm.... it seems we could create a pretty big list of DEMs who own a helluva lotta stuff. How about Theresa HEINZ Kerry? John Kerry's DEM (who is really more a SOCIALIST) wife? You do realize she owns the biggest ketchup company in the world, right? And then.... Kennedy anyone? I could go on and on with the names, ruthless...just lemme know!"

all republicans i tell ya!!! they are still in the closet! :eek:

your right, i am just joking around, but ill tell ya what, i do think oil is a tad bit more expensive than ketchup if ya know what i mean.


"So let me get this straight... are you now saying that it is racist to take a survey and report the factual results of the statistics of that survey? Is this what you are saying is racist? Telling the truth???? "

also a joke, but it does hold some truth. how would you feel if it said that blacks and hispanics are happier than whites?

also, the survey was done to about 3000 folks. i find it hilarious that they talk to 3000 folks and they come to these conclusions. if you were to call 3000 random people in mississippi, the results would be much different. national polls indicate something much different too.
 
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Psh ketchup is so totally more important to humanity than fuel, I dono what you're talkin' about.

I think I'll invent a car that runs on ketchup....
 
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but ill tell ya what, i do think oil is a tad bit more expensive than ketchup if ya know what i mean

I know exactly what you mean! :D In fact, did you know that John D. Rockefeller (that Democratic feller) was one of the biggest US oil magnates? Hence, by focusing on oil, you have actually proven more that "it is the DEMS who own everything" more than you have proven the Repubs own everything.
In fact, it is probably a 50/50 split (or close it it) between the two.

how would you feel if it said that blacks and hispanics are happier than whites?

Well, I wouldn't think it racist, but I would be intrigued to see the stats if that was reported by a survey.

also, the survey was done to about 3000 folks. i find it hilarious that they talk to 3000 folks and they come to these conclusions.

Again, this is scientifically based. Sampling theory shows us why RANDOM samples of an entire population can give us a relatively good idea of the feeling of the whole population. It is in use in all industries and is based on rigorous statistical theory.

if you were to call 3000 random people in mississippi, the results would be much different.

Ironic. Because as soon as you say the people should come from Mississippi, you make the term "random" useles. It is no longer a random survey of the entire US, but rather only a random survey of Mississipians. Different sample group, and so you would expect varying results from a nationalized random survey.

Interestingly enough, ruthless, this discussion (which is based in statistics) is intimately linked to the other one we are having in the Conspiracy forum on "perfection". These are great things to learn about, and give us some real "ah ha" moments when we realized that scientific reality is not what we would expect it to be from "common sense".

RMT
 
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"I know exactly what you mean! In fact, did you know that John D. Rockefeller (that Democratic feller) was one of the biggest US oil magnates? Hence, by focusing on oil, you have actually proven more that "it is the DEMS who own everything" more than you have proven the Repubs own everything. In fact, it is probably a 50/50 split (or close it it) between the two."

so you really think its a 50/50 split? btw, it should be known that that good ol bait n switch you used was no good since i know nothing about any of these people.


and this rockefeller guy sounds more like a capitalist than anything to me. seriously though, i would rather not get into a political debate since my experience in that is summed up to several fox news watchings. i would say this though, because i know alot more about this subject than you, to low income families, people like the president are not looked at kindly at all. as a matter of fact, if he was to be dropped off in my neighborhood with or without protection, he would never be seen again. alot of the poor blame alot of their problems on this government and its policies. alot of low income people look at it 180 degrees differently than the upper class. when you live paycheck to paycheck and you expect your "leader" to help the poor to also live the american dream, and expectations are not met, resentment for that "leader" occurs.

you may say the president is not to blame, but i, along with more than half of the country belive he is a complete idiot. more than half the country hates him more than they hate their worst enemy.

i do not believe in capitalist ways. if it were my country, big buisness would be no more. redistribution of wealth is a great idea to the poor, and just plain stupid to the rich. you and i both know why each thinks that way, but maybe, just maybe one sides not seeing the bigger picture.


"Well, I wouldn't think it racist, but I would be intrigued to see the stats if that was reported by a survey."

it is easy to say that, but in reality, it would let you down bigtime. you see, its racist because the color of a persons skin does not determine their happiness. its even bigger proof that this survey sytem does not work as intended. it shouldve said: out of 1500 whites called, 83% were happy. out of 1500 blacks called, 82% were happy. that way it does not put off whites in a superior light, nor do they challenge each other. the article was not factual. it was propaganda, and it was racist. ask a black man if he feels white people are better than him. i bet i can guess his answer: "white people really think they are all that dont they? those loons expect me to take this?" where is equality in this viscious world? theres 3,000 people that live in one town, and they all act the same way. too bad they didnt randomly call all of them, it wouldve blown the peoples minds to get the same answer everytime i bet.


"Again, this is scientifically based. Sampling theory shows us why RANDOM samples of an entire population can give us a relatively good idea of the feeling of the whole population. It is in use in all industries and is based on rigorous statistical theory."

i believe this may be true, but the sampling audience for this test was extremely small. there are more than 3000 different types of personalities in this world, and they didnt even scratch the surface on that test. i understand if you disagree. this is just my opinion. i give the test around a 70% correctness. im sure you will want to know how i came to that conclusion. no, it didnt come from math. it came from listening to several different types of people and realizing who the majority and minorities were in every category.

"Because as soon as you say the people should come from Mississippi, you make the term "random" useles. It is no longer a random survey of the entire US, but rather only a random survey of Mississipians. Different sample group, and so you would expect varying results from a nationalized random survey."

why? you could say it is a random survey of mississippians and americans. mississippi is a state in the us nonetheless(although looked at as a state full of inbreds.) and your survey did not say it was a random survey of all states in the us, it said it randomly called 3000 people. more than half of those hung up upon hearing another telemarketing call, so that leaves us with about 1000 people. thats 20 people a state called. impressive survey indeed. you can really get a feel for things with that eh?

"Interestingly enough, ruthless, this discussion (which is based in statistics) is intimately linked to the other one we are having in the Conspiracy forum on "perfection". These are great things to learn about, and give us some real "ah ha" moments when we realized that scientific reality is not what we would expect it to be from "common sense"."

you have given me quite aplenty "ah ha" moments and you have shown without a shadow of a doubt that common sense and science do not always go hand in hand. but the problem is that we are defining words differently, and we look at things differently, so it is an unwinnable argument for either side. i believe we agree on most of these things, we just look at them in different lights, wich should be expected. we came from two totally different scenarios, hence the misunderstandings.

even when i do learn about these things you are showing me, i will not look at it in the same light as you. i will always strive for perfection, and i will never give up the hope that i can work so hard at something until i perfect it.
 
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even when i do learn about these things you are showing me, i will not look at it in the same light as you. i will always strive for perfection, and i will never give up the hope that i can work so hard at something until i perfect it.

And this is the crux of the distinction I am making. Yes, you can BELIEVE you can reach perfection, and it is certainly a wonderful thing to STRIVE to reach perfection. It is a wonderful moral ideal to strive to achieve. With all that I agree with you. But what science has shown us over and over again is that complete perfection is unachievable. I cannot build a system that will never have a "problem" (i.e. deviate from the intended result for which the system was designed).

The road to perfection is infinite. You will not reach the "end" because there is no "end". This does not invalidate your zeal to try and achieve it. It is the distinction between "ideal" and "real".

RMT
 
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"But what science has shown us over and over again is that complete perfection is unachievable."

i believe this is false. this is just my opinion through experiences, but i believe that the more you get into science, the further you get from god. THEN, after a certain point, science starts to prove the existence of god. then you realize perfection is more reachable than previously thought.

just my opinion, theory, or whatever one wants to call it. i could go into great detail about it, but not many believe the way i do and thats no problem. thats what makes the world great. and i somewhat have you to thank for that. if it wasnt for a sentence you wrote once, i might not feel this way. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Upon what data do you base that? What is interesting is that a study was published not too long ago that provides evidence to counter your belief.

Anyone that keeps up with the movie stars (I think they would be good data.) can see that a lot of those people have way more problems than poor people in fact they were happier when they were poor.

As for as having more money than having little or no money being better I would agree with that. My first years out of high school I almost starved to death. Im better off now but I am a long way from being rich. I like my life now verses what I had the first year after I left high school.

But lets just compare the people who "have to work" with the people who "don,t work and have all the wealth they want". Those people have a harder time staying happier than people who have to work for a living or who do work for a living even though they are rich. Reactor
 
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i believe this is false. this is just my opinion through experiences, but i believe that the more you get into science, the further you get from god. THEN, after a certain point, science starts to prove the existence of god. then you realize perfection is more reachable than previously thought.

My opinion. I think RMT and Ruthless debating make for some good reading. But I would like to jump in and ask Ruthless a question if you guys don,t mind. Ruthless, you said that the further you get into science, the further you get from god. Then, after a certain point, science starts to prove the existence of god. I don,t see this or feel this. Please explain to me in the length and detail that you are comfortable with as to how science proves the existence of god. If you would I would appreciate it. Thanks, Reactor
 
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"Please explain to me in the length and detail that you are comfortable with as to how science proves the existence of god."

well, ill try to explain the best i can, but its pretty difficult for me to explain because i learned this through several diffferent events that happened in my life.

i remember being a small child and thinking about a question all the time. "is god real, or fake? are all these people lying to me? whats the real truth?" i thought about it all the time in my younger years. my life when i was younger was like a movie. a script writer couldnt have done a better job. one second i would be at home watching t.v., not 30 minutes later i would be kicked out of my house and on my way to panama city with someone i had just met from hitchiking. more things happened, but most arent censorable enough for this forum. :D i kept saying to myself, "god has to be real, crazy things dont happen like this to most people." and for a long time, that was enough for me. then my mother was murdered.

after my mom was killed, i had serious issues with god. i totally turned my back on god. i knew in my heart that theres a reason for everything, but i just could not forgive or forget. i ended up doing some very stupid and regretable things, but i had to have answers for the things that had happened.

then, one day i had a thought that changed it all. i thought, "wow, aint it strange that we have this magical bubble that protects our planet? isnt it strange that life on this planet came outta nowhere? isnt it strange that were just the perfect distance away from the sun?" it was my belief before i had ever visited tti that science proves the existance of god. then i learned other things from here along the way. i asked questions, and the people who knew, answered.

i remember asking darby questions about the big bang, and he told me science does not know what happened on the first part of the big bang. i wanted to know if the big bang is reproducable, he said it is not known if it is, because the first moments of the big bang are unknown. thats very interesting indeed. this isnt the half of it, but maybe it gives you an idea.

everyones entitled to their opinion. i had a genuine want to know the truth, and i got what i wanted. hope this helps.
 
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Thank you Ruthless for answering. I was wondering why you said that. As for the big bang I have no proof but I think our universe hit something. I also believe the big bang is reproducible or else we would not be here. As Albert said time is relative to the observer. I also believe size is relative to the observer. As far as I'm concerned our universe could just be a particle of matter in a much larger universe and matter in our universe would be the inverse. If man can keep surviving I belive the more we learn about our universe and what it really is the weirder that picture will get. Reactor
 
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" I also believe the big bang is reproducible or else we would not be here."

thats part of what we were talking about on the other thread. if the big bang is reproduceable, it kinda messes up the theory of a god. if it is not reproduceable, it proves the existence of god in my opinion.

it is not reproduceable, something similar might be, but not a carbon copy.
 
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