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Hercules

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"The LHC will also explore the idea that “large extra dimensions” exist to bridge the energy gap between the electroweak and Planck scales, as well as other theories that suggest the supposed fundamental particles of the Standard Model are not fundamental at all, but instead are themselves composites — that is, composed of even smaller, more fundamental building blocks yet to be discovered. In addition to exploring these realms “beyond the Standard Model,” LHC experiments will also probe the mysterious missing mass and dark energy of the universe, investigate the reason for nature’s preference for matter over antimatter, and probe matter as it existed at the very beginning of time."

http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/PR_display.asp?prID=06-53


First collisions at the LHC are expected to take place in the summer of 2007.
 
Hercules,
First collisions at the LHC are expected to take place in the summer of 2007.
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Yawn. Big yawn. Unfortunately, all of this is quite a bit later than Titor had predicted it would come to pass. In fact, this "prediction" shows one of the larger gaps in the research depth of The John Titor Experiment. Even back in that day one would have known the expected date of completion for the LHC was not until at least 2007. All of that information was available on the internet in 2000. And given how high tech projects these days are typically late in meeting their schedules, I would be very surprised if they start colliding particles in the LHC next summer. That's my prediction, and it is a bit more solid than Titor's!


But you keep believing, if that turns your crank!
RMT
 
Rainman,

I don't understand why you still waste time in debunking John Titor. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

My post had nothing to do with Titor. I was interested in the LHC collisions and Particle Physics.

Calm down and go on with your work, I think your obsession with the John Titor experiment will never die, even though he is forgotten. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif (BTW: you have a job? I have one and I cannot waste time in useless arguments)
 


I have a job, yes. But right now I am on an extended holiday. So all the more reason to tweak your gourd. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

My post had nothing to do with Titor. I was interested in the LHC collisions and Particle Physics.
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That's Jim Dandy... but pray tell what, exactly, your post had to do with Time Travel if, as you say, it "had nothing to do with Titor"?

I'll be playing some blackjack & roulette in the Townsville Jupiters Casino this evening. Any particular numbers (black or red) you might like played, in your honor Herc? :D

RMT
 
You are as funny as you have always been Rainman.

The "time" you wasted on this board debunking Titor is worth nothing. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But as you always believe, you're a "genius" with a cool sense of humour.
, I like that.
 
I think that the God particle would be frightening to find, simply because its use, is a quantum improvement, over what man is.

Its not a super symmetry, however a process.

The universe forms as it did, do to certain patterns within the matrix of creation.

Evolution, is but one of these tenets of logicum.
 
You are as funny as you have always been Rainman.
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And you are as evasive as you have ever been.

Care to answer the direct question I put to you? Or is your avoidance of that question just another sign I have tripped-up your shallow logic once again?

The "time" you wasted on this board debunking Titor is worth nothing.
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This must be the 10,000th "time" I have pointed this out... I am not as much debunking Titor (especially in the question I have posed in this thread that you have not answered) as I am debunking your shallow thought process. Now... you made a statement, and I asked a question about it. Are you going to answer my question? Yes or No?

But as you always believe, you're a "genius" with a cool sense of humour.
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I certainly do not claim genius status, I'd save that one for Darby. But I think it is evident I can out-think you. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Now could you please answer this valid question, which was asked in response to your claim:

Hercules: My post had nothing to do with Titor.
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RainmanTime: but pray tell what, exactly, your post had to do with Time Travel if, as you say, it "had nothing to do with Titor"?
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Thank you,
RMT
 
Hercules,

Its good to see that its finally going to go online. That's the upside.

The downside is that we probably won't see any published results until 2009 or 2010. The time from experiment to publication is generally on that scale.

But after the summer of 2007 start watching LANL and ArXiv for papers. We might catch a break and someone at LHC will get something in writing by the summer of 2008. To get it into Physical Review will take at least two years. Submissions received usually take a year before they get published in Physical Review because of the backlog of previously submitted articles.
 
LHC will almost certainly produce some suprising results/discoveries. Possibly evidence for supersymmetry, discovery of the Higgs boson (particle responsible for mass generation), and a lot more which physicists havent even thought up.

All of this said, it signals the potential death of the American effort in high energy experimental physics which is really sad. Most of the particle accelerators and high energy labs in the United States are in the process of closing down and they are not receiving further funding. LHC is at CERN which is in Europe. It is a European run facility as such Europeans will get top billing on time with the collider. American facilities like the Fermilab's Tevatron, SLAC, and Brookhaven cannot compete. Unless, the United States takes a more proactive role it looks like high energy physics will be moving overseas. This isnt to say that American Universities will have nothing to do with LHC as they certainly have already contributed to the project. But still Europeans are going to get the most time and first dibs on the facility. So, the best programs in high energy experimental physics are going to be moving from the US to EU. Theorists usually follow the experimentalist.

Sorry to get off topic, it is just very sad to see this happen. It is too bad that congress cancelled the Supercollider.

Yeah, it is highly unlikely that the LHC will begin operation on time in 2007.
 
tt137,

Your post is right on topic. Thank you for the post.

You're correct about the Super Collider. It was a sad day when the project was scrapped. There aren't very many places on the planet where you can find both the land, nearby infrastructures and capitalization to build something like the SC except in the American southwest where land is relatively cheap and virtually unoccupied.

The upside of having the government cancel the project is that it leaves the possibility for privatization. Capitalists can usually build a better project at half the cost of a government funded effort.

Its a "maybe". Private funding of space travel once seemed impossibly expersive but it is the apparent future of space travel. It could be the future of experimental high energy particle physics.
 
LHC due for 2007 start
23 June 2006

The CERN laboratory in Geneva has finally announced when its Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will smash its first beams together -- November 2007. The date was announced today following a meeting of CERN's Council, and comes as part of a schedule drawn up to ensure that high-energy particle beams are produced as soon as possible.

The multi-billion Swiss Franc LHC will be the world's largest particle accelerator, colliding protons at energies of 14 TeV (14x1012 eV) to generate what physicists hope will be a slew of new particles, such as the Higgs boson and so-called supersymmetric particles. An extremely complicated machine to design and build, CERN was caught out in 2001 when it emerged that the LHC was to cost 30% more than originally envisaged and was also running behind schedule. The committee that reviewed CERN's operations in the light of these overruns recommended that the collider's start date be put back from 2005 to 2007, and the lab will have been anxious to ensure that this date does not slip any further.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/10/6/12/1?rss=2.0
 
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