The doughnut shaped singularity

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PaulaJedi

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For our new members: A singularity is black hole. This thread assumes black holes exist.

I am a believer that time travel is possible via math. What one does with the math, I can only guess, as I am not an engineer or scientist, but in my most humble opinion, I feel math proves time travel is possible. I will first refer to a quote by the infamous John Titor himself.

Read more here:

http://www.microsingularity.net/using-math-for-time-travel/

Basically, what I am showing is that the torus or doughnut is mathematically possible.

Questions to ponder and discuss:

Could we time travel by accessing points outside the torus? Do we really need to go through it to reach the other universe? Is a wormhole simply an elongated torus or does a wormhole contain a torus on each end?

Anyway, this article was simply me thinking out loud and pondering.

Thoughts?

 
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Time travel is possible but only toward the future. Cant go back to the past because the time we r in alway flows toward the unknown meaning future.

 
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Time travel is possible but only toward the future. Cant go back to the past because the time we r in alway flows toward the unknown meaning future.
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I'm new to the theory so please keep that in mind....why only towards the future? What about all of the other theories about traveling back it time? Just curious your opinion.

 
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Yes you can the past but it might not be possible to travel back to the past.

How we can see the past caused by the light.

E.g. when you see the sun you are not seeing the sun as it is in the presence this is because the light take 8 mins to get here so you are actually seeing the sun that is 8 mins in the past.

 
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To Paulajedi:

Very nice representation of the Torus model. On the right track there. And you are correct, what lies beyond the torus is still unknown, or, more correctly, beyond the scope of the equations. "Something" may exist outside the boundaries of the model, but we have no way of knowing if that is the case, since we are all concerned with applied mathematics, not fantasies. In any case, successful time distortions do in fact rely on the Torus model; however, and while it IS the case that travel to the future, or the past, is not technically occurring (we are not physically stopping, then reversing the motion of every atom in the universe during an experiment), a distinct alteration or 'tuning' of the current experience is in fact occurring, which does allow for a type of 'travel to the past and the future'. It's so difficult to explain, but try to think of a type of 'movement' within pre-existing conditions that have always existed. The process is related directly to entanglement and relies on quantum archiving (recording?) in order to achieve results, all within the confines of the Torus model.

It is good to see that you are still here Paulajedi, hope all is well.

 
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Yes you can the past but it might not be possible to travel back to the past.

How we can see the past caused by the light.

E.g. when you see the sun you are not seeing the sun as it is in the presence this is because the light take 8 mins to get here so you are actually seeing the sun that is 8 mins in the past.
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Correct. In fact the only time frame that you are able to see is the past. You stand in from of the mirror in the morning and you are seeing yourself about 2 meters in the past (1/150,000,000 sec).

The present isn't something that you can actually experience in "real time". All of your senses, including thought processes, operate so slowly in comparison to the speed of light that "the present" is long gone before your mind processes the incoming sensory input.

 
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It's interesting that the torus has been historically represented as the oroborus, the snake that consumes itself. And many astronomical discoveries are mirrored in ancient discoveries from around the world.

 
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For anyone who's interested, look at Rodin's mathematical models for the torus and it's implications for science.

 
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Time travel is possible but only toward the future. Cant go back to the past because the time we r in alway flows toward the unknown meaning future.
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What if time is a loop?

 
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I think the question should be why a donut shape? Why not some other shape like a mini mobius shape? Just curious thoughts in my head, kind of like asking why are bubbles spheres not squares. Babbling thoughts, I have a theory, but it's only a guess.

 
I'm still a strong believer in facts. Make believe theories will never allow us to travel through time. Unless of course you have access to leprechaun magic. I think you would have better luck asking a lottery winner if you could borrow his or her time machine.

 
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I too think theories are mostly useless until they are tested and proven. Theories good or bad provide focus, pondering,  or cheap entertainment. But I think I understand your point, if you get lost in theories and don't work for facts; you become stuck in a day dream and not actually working on a project.

 
'Darby]Correct. In fact the only time frame that you are able to see is the past. You stand in from of the mirror in the morning and you are seeing yourself about 2 meters in the past (1/150 said:
That explains Deja Vu. 
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Theories are the beginning of the thought process.  If you do not already have the "fact" in your brain, you can't just magically spew it. Example:

Caveman wants to move a dead deer without carrying it. 

Caveman thinks, hmmmm maybe attaching something round to a platform would help. <---- that's the theory

Caveman develops the wheel in response to the theory.

So, I personally believe we need theories to develop facts.  The wheel did not just pop up out of no where.  Am I making any sense? 
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[QUOTE='PaulaJedi]Theories are the beginning of the thought process.  If you do not already have the "fact" in your brain, you can't just magically spew it. Example:
Caveman wants to move a dead deer without carrying it. 

Caveman thinks, hmmmm maybe attaching something round to a platform would help. <---- that's the theory

Caveman develops the wheel in response to the theory.

So, I personally believe we need theories to develop facts.  The wheel did not just pop up out of no where.  Am I making any sense? 
[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. In fact I use them myself. But never do I assume a theory to be true. It is just a trial and error method to culminate in a factual goal. Thus any theory I use either gets quickly shit canned or becomes fact. A theory that becomes fact is no longer a theory. It becomes fact.

The scientific community is trying very hard to blur the meaning of a theory. And they are guilty of promulgating fiction as fact.

 
[QUOTE='Einstein]I totally agree with you. In fact I use them myself. But never do I assume a theory to be true. It is just a trial and error method to culminate in a factual goal. Thus any theory I use either gets quickly shit canned or becomes fact. A theory that becomes fact is no longer a theory. It becomes fact.
The scientific community is trying very hard to blur the meaning of a theory. And they are guilty of promulgating fiction as fact.
[/QUOTE]Exactly.  "Theory" is supposed to imply that it was never proven.  

 
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