Someone dumb down the LHC?

Risata206

Chrono Cadet
What exactly, is this machine trying to reproduce, discover, and what are the implications if they reproduce or discover whatever it is they are trying to discover? Also, how does this tie into time travel? I know very little other than something to do with black holes, anti-mater, recreation of the "big bang", finding some theorized physics thingy.....(ok, im being totally a girl here.)

On a ethical or philosophical level, how would any discovery change our worldview regarding creation?
It is said that if one wants to find an atheist, they must go to the Philosophy department because the physics dept. would have a hard time disputing an intelligent creator.

On a side note, what of this "What the bleep do we know?" the whole new age quatum physics idea, ie, molecules in water can be programmed, etc. Thanks in advance.
 
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Risata,

First - welcome back, girl! It's been almost two years. And congratulations to Brent on getting Paranormalis back online after his disaster last spring.

As to what CERN's up to with the LHC, rather than me opining it's probably best to go to the source...CERN.

Here's their lead article on what's up with the LHC:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html
 
LHC knocked out by ANOTHER power failure

Hello there...
The news:

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No baguette visible this time...

LHC knocked out by ANOTHER power failure
* Alert
'Birdy bread-bomber from the future' involved?
Posted in Physics, 2nd December 2009 10:00 GMT

Exclusive The Large Hadron Collider - most puissant particle-punisher ever assembled by the human race - has suffered another major power failure, knocking not only the atomsmasher itself but even its associated websites offline. The machine remains unserviceable at present. However its crucial cryogenics seem to have been unaffected, and no catastrophic damage is thought to have occurred.
The component believed to have downed the LHC

News of the outage emerged when keen amateur LHC-watchers (at independent site the LHC Portal) noticed that most of CERN's web presence related to the Collider had disappeared. Presently much of it returned, and with it came an official account of events released by control-room staff.

It appears that a failure occurred at 01:23 Swiss time this morning in an 18,000-volt power line at the Meyrin site above the mighty collider's subterranean circuit. This caused a power cut across the site, shutting down the main computer centre among other things and causing an abrupt cessation of operations.

However according to CERN controllers and the publicly-viewable web readouts (now back online) the LHC's magnets stayed chilled down to their operating temperature, just 1.9 degrees above absolute zero - colder than deep space. This is critical, as re-chilling the magnets had they warmed beyond a certain point would have been a lengthy and involved process.

"Diesels cut in OK" noted the controllers, adding that the Meyrin site is now drawing limited grid power from an alternative connection via the Prevessin site. The boffins don't anticipate resuming operations until at least 18:30 local time today. They later supplied the pic above of the faulty high-voltage component believed to have caused the problem.

The exact cause of the fault remains to be established, though in a machine so complex a lot of routine teething troubles are to be expected. However, with interest in the LHC so intense, colourful speculation is to be anticipated.

"Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future," jokes Chris Stephens of the LHC Portal - referring to the well-known wingnut theory that that the mere possibility of the LHC unmasking certain phenomena engenders forces which act backwards through time to sabotage it before this can happen.

We ourselves find it hard not to suspect the involvement of some pan-dimensional police force, seeking to prevent humanity acquiring parallel-universe portal capability before we're ready to use it responsibly.

The Timetravelers Revenge... :D
 
Re: LHC knocked out by ANOTHER power failure

My ancestors were Belgians. If there is a Belgian language it is news to me. French, oui, English yes, German Ja. But Belgian? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: LHC knocked out by ANOTHER power failure

that was a test to know if all of the users -free thinking- was assimilated by a borg named RMT...

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Nah!

I was speaking of the union of the four (4) languages Areas of that Belgian regions:

1- Flemish Community / Dutch language area
2- Flemish &amp; French Community / bilingual language area
3- French Community / French language area
4- German-speaking Community / German language area

LOL
 
Thanks. I found what I was looking for.....What is the Large Hadron Collider?
It’s the largest machine in the world, built to unlock the deepest secrets of the universe. Located 300 feet below ground along the border between France and Switzerland, the LHC is housed inside a mammoth circular tunnel measuring 17 miles around. The tunnel contains two large tubes lined with more than 1,000 powerful magnets cooled by helium to just above absolute zero, so that they offer virtually no resistance to the current flowing through them. The tubes channel beams of lead ions and hydrogen protons and neutrons—the largest components of atoms—belonging to the hadron family of particles. Two months ago, after 20 years of preparation, many setbacks, and an investment of more than $10 billion, international scientists finally test-fired the beams at each other, producing subatomic collisions of unprecedented energy.

Why is so much energy needed?
Scientists are hoping to re-create the conditions that existed in the first one-trillionth of a second after the Big Bang—the moment, roughly 13.7 billion years ago, when all matter and energy is believed to have exploded from a point smaller than an atom, bringing the fundamental particles and forces of nature into being. Test-firings have already reached energies of more than 2 trillion volts, the most ever produced on Earth. But starting in early 2010, scientists will push the beams even faster, until they’re circling the tunnel at more than 11,000 times a second, just below the speed of light. Then, researchers could catch a glimpse of these fundamental forces and particles in the debris from the collisions.

What are they hoping to find?
A subatomic particle called the Higgs boson—the so-called God particle. According to the mathematical equations that make up the reigning theory of physics, known as the Standard Model, the Higgs boson is the piece of the atom that endows all the other pieces with their mass. It is “what allows us to exist,” says physics professor Tejinder Virdee of Imperial College London. “Without the Higgs boson we would all be puffs of radiation.” Until the LHC was switched on, there was no device on Earth capable of smashing atoms together at the energies necessary to produce the Higgs.

All this for one tiny particle?
Not really.
By stripping atoms down to their most basic elements, the LHC experiments could also help solve puzzles that have perplexed scientists for decades. Physicists still can’t explain why the universe is expanding rather than contracting. LHC data could help identify the force that has been steadily pushing the universe outward since the Big Bang. The data might also help explain why the visible universe accounts for only 4 percent of the universe’s total mass. When physicists this year crank up the LHC to its highest energies, the collisions they produce could throw off clues to the whereabouts of the remaining, invisible mass, which scientists call “dark matter.” Although such knowledge might seem useless, scientists say the search for it is a basic human drive. “Humankind differs from a collection of ants,” says physicist Peter Jenni. “We need to understand the mechanisms of life and the universe.”

What if they don’t find these particles?
They may have to rethink the laws of physics. In recent years, physicists have built on the Standard Model to spin elaborate new theories to explain the universe—such as the proposition that it is composed of tiny, vibrating “strings” of energy, or that it is merely one of an infinite number of universes, all existing simultaneously. The LHC promises to produce staggering amounts of data—enough every year to fill a stack of CDs 12 miles high—that physicists can use to test these theories. “There have been thousands of theoretical papers,” says physicist John Ellis. “I’ve written hundreds of them myself. What if it all turns out to be a pile of garbage?”

Is the collider safe?
Experts insist that it is, but some amateur physicists say that if the experts are wrong, we could all be doomed. In 2008, a high school teacher in Hawaii filed a federal lawsuit demanding that the LHC be shut down; he claimed that the LHC collisions could produce a “black hole”—a gravitational field so massive and dense that it would swallow the LHC, the surrounding countryside, and possibly Earth itself. The lawsuit was tossed out. LHC scientists dismiss such worries, arguing that any black holes produced would be so small and short-lived that they could do no damage. LHC director Rolf-Dieter Heuer points out that subatomic particles are constantly crashing into Earth’s atmosphere from outer space, occasionally producing the same sort of transient black holes that may occur in the LHC. “And look,” says Heuer. “We are still here.”

The time traveler’s revenge
The LHC has been plagued with problems since it was first powered up in 2008. Days after it was switched on, two magnets vaporized when their connections failed, causing a fire and the release of thousands of gallons of supercold helium, which triggered an underground snowfall. Last fall, the collider was shut down again when a capacitor failed, after a passing bird dropped a bit of baguette on the machinery. Now two respected physicists have suggested those failures were no mere accidents. In a paper dense with mathematical calculations, Denmark’s Bech Nielsen and Japan’s Masao Ninomiya suggest—with tongues firmly in cheek—that nature itself is sabotaging the LHC, to prevent scientists from discovering the universe’s innermost secrets. The potential discovery of the Higgs boson, they argue, is so “abhorrent to nature” that some force—perhaps even a force from the future—thwarts scientists whenever they get close to finding it.

Russian physicist Dmitri Denisov says their theory is “clearly crazy,” but concedes it’s plausible—barely. American physicist Robert Roser agrees. “Sometimes,” he says, “outlandish papers turn out to be the laws of physics.”
 
What is the Large Hadron Collider?

Risata,

Here's the big difference between LHD and any other collider:

We've been able to accelerate electrons to 99.99997% the speed of light since the early 1960's. What LHD is intended to do is accelerate lead (Pb) atoms, which are many thousands of times more massive than an electron, to the same velocity. When they collide will see much more clearly the spray of particles from the collisions.

Will this destroy the Earth, nay, the entire universe? No. It will give us a more clear idea of what occured in the early universe prior to our current event horizon of ~10^-37 seconds after the Big Bang. We know, at least vaguely, what the universe was like at +10^-37 seconds. We don't know what happened before that time. It might seem to be a middling and insignificant issue but taken on the relative scale of time, the time between 0 and +10^-37 seconds was "all of eternity" or infinity, at that time. We don't now what happened from the Big Bang to "forever" on that scale. Once LHD comes online and does it's experiments we will have a much clearer picture of that, from our point of view, infinitesimally small period of time - but which was "forever" at that time.
 
"What exactly, is this machine trying to reproduce, discover, and what are the implications if they reproduce or discover whatever it is they are trying to discover?"

As mankind searches for its origin, it builds technology to look deeper and deeper into our world. The LHC is used to explore the latest in mans understanding of physics. The LHC can create and measure effects of exploding neutrons (things inside atoms that are made of one electron and one proton). When neutrons are blown to smithereens, they give off sub-atomic particles and energies that resemble those at the beginning of the universe (or so they assume). SO, in short, the LHC is used to better understand ever smaller units of our physical world.

The reality of mankind's quest for knowledge is that one day, their created technology will open up a Pandora's box, so to speak. Some, ponder that this level of achievement is upon us, with use of the LHC.

Space scientists can not explain through known physics why some stars explode. The weight of the gravitational masses should prevent the star from exploding, as mathematical models show that the resultant radiation and other pressures can not overcome the gravitational force. Therefore, they ponder that there is another force at work inside a budding pulsar or neutron star that adds energy to the system. This energy may have something to do with the energy levels the LHC is trying to create and one must wonder if some sort of chain reaction is possible, similar in the fashion of nuclear fission or fusion.

One interesting side note, is that when a star does explode, there is an material event horizon at which point all mass outside of it is blown away from star and all mass inside of it condenses to form a black hole. This black hole, in turn has its own event horizon, at which point light can not escape. The interesting side note is that at this material horizon, there is created and exist a rare isotope, titanium 44. The titanium 44 is the "exhaust" from such an event.
 
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